CCI stingers vs. Remington Vipers

[monotonous_iterancy]

Today I bought some Remington .22 Vipers. The guy at the store said they were comparable to Stingers, "Remington's answer" to them. I debated a bit with myself on what to get, the Stingers had 50 to a box, the Vipers 100, both priced around the same. The Stingers had around 1600 fps, and the Vipers had 1450. Are they really comparable performance wise?

 

[MtnCreek]

I think the viper is a little more accurate and the stinger is a little more reliable. Biggest difference for me has been feeding issues. Some guns don't like the TC viper and I have a MkII that doesn't like the slightly longer stinger.

Edit: I think the Yellow Jacket (HP) would be more compareable to the stinger (HP).

 

[K1500]

Yellow Jacket is closer to a Stinger than a Viper.

 

[tech30528]

Remington doesn't have anything that compares to the SEGMENTED Stinger HP. My Wally World carries the Stinger HP but not the segmented ones. I have to order those online. They have a brass case, not the stainless or whatever the Stinger HP wears. But they are absolutely devastating. Prefractured, they break in to 3 equal sized pieces. A friend was having a possum problem, tried the regular Stingers, Aguila SuperMax HP, Vipers, all were several shots for a kill. The segmented ones were single shot. When they say "three wound channels" they are not kidding. I had a hit on a squirrel with one of these, one exit wound spilled the guts, one came out the left shoulder, the other out the right eye. I've got a 22LR pistol in my truck for those night bank drops, it's loaded with segmented Stingers.

 

[MtnCreek]

I've got a 22LR pistol in my truck for those night bank drops, it's loaded with segmented Stingers.

That'll come in real handy if you're attacked by possums and squirrels. Sorry, I had to say it.

 

[hardluk1]

What do expect the stinger and viper to do. One one that shoots best in your rifle is the best. But if for hunting some of the slow 1050fps ammo works just great. If you eat what you shoot you don't want or need Hp's or the speedies.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

I just wanted something different to plink with. Although we do have a problem with moles in our yard. Maybe this is worthy of a thread of it's own, but does anyone have tips on catching them? I haven't had any luck. What I've been doing is standing around for 40 minutes or an hour or so with a 20 gauge loaded with birdshot, but I think the .22 will do well enough. I mix it up a bit, the first round or two is a Remington super range cartridge from the 80s, still fires, that's solid for penetration, and then the rest are all new Winchester hollow points. Would these Vipers do good with them? And please pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does a truanced cone mean?

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I'll take the stinger any day of the week. I've been shooting them since they came out in the mid 1970's. I have never had a missfire and everything I shot with them stayed dead. I have used the vipers in the past and had feeding issues with some guns due to bullet shape. Their killing power on small game isn't as good a stinger.

 

[MtnCreek]

It's the shape of the bullet. Pull out your old geometry book from school.

I wouldn’t be shooting any solid bullets into the ground like that; way too risky! For the moles, you can treat your lawn with an insecticide labeled for grubs/worms or you can use castor oil or my favorite: sharpen a stick, poke little holes in the hills and drop in about a ¼ piece of grape Huba-Buba gum.

 

[mastiffhound]

Remington ammuniton was the best I could get for a long time. Recently it has kind of went downhill. I think they make nice ammo for pistols but rimfire and rifle ammo is subpar. The Remington rimfire is very dirty (I know it's all dirty, but it is noticeably more dirty than other brands). Comparing CCI to Remington is like comparing Nolan Ryan to Greg Swindell or Joe Montana to Ty Detmer. As far as I can remember I have never had a dud out of a box of CCI. Remington has been pretty bad in the last few years, so bad I have run out Remington and never bought it again. Even Federal and Aguila have become a better choice. Aguila is even cheaper than CCI, the Aguila I buy is Eley primed, and their Interceptor and Supermaximum Hyper Velocity ammo is either the fastest and/or hardest hitting varmint rounds for the .22lr. They are the only .22lr that I would say are comparable to CCI. Some would say even better than CCI, not me but they are close. I get them because I feel they are just as good but are cheaper. Check out this comparison video for a ballistics gel test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIm1otEG1E&list=FLB5_qLsJrU_zOWdTR3ch8IQ&index=15&feature=plpp_video.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

You really think it would ricochet off sod and dirt? We've tried grub killers, remedies and such, there's quite a bit of ground to cover though.

 

[Salmoneye]

Biggest difference for me has been feeding issues. Some guns don't like the TC viper and I have a MkII that doesn't like the slightly longer stinger.

Mainly because you are not supposed to use them in a MKII...

In fact, you are not supposed to use any hyper-velocity rounds in the Rugers at all...

Page 12 of the owner's manual:

The RUGER® MARK II pistol is chambered only for the .22 caliber Long
Rifle cartridge, standard velocity or high velocity, manufactured to U.S. Industry
Standards. Do not attempt to load .22 Long, .22 Short, or any other type .22
caliber cartridge into the magazine or in the chamber of the pistol. Use of .22
shot shells is not recommended. See MALFUNCTION WARNING, p. 18.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I'd hate to tell you how many stingers I shot out of my Ruger mk 1 with absolutely no issues whatsoever. They are loaded to U.S. Industry standards for sure.

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

In fact, you are not supposed to use any hyper-velocity rounds in the Rugers at all...

Do you mean all Ruger .22s or just that particular pistol?

 

[mastiffhound]

I just checked to make sure, Aguila Supermaximum Hyper Velocity .22lr is the same length as Federal Bulk. The Stingers are longer than both, so if you want better feeding in a semi auto go with the Aguila. If you have a bolt gun it will digest anything, at least mine has. I need to get a chronograph, I would really like to see how fast these clock out of a 10/22 18.5 inch barrel and a 22 inch Stevens bolt action.

 

[JERRY]

as already stated, the Rem. Yellow Jackets are the "answer" to the Stinger. the Vipers are a "yellowjack solid".

 

[monotonous_iterancy]

Are there advantages to TC rounds?

 

[Pyro]

CCI Stinger because I've had horrendous experiences with Remington rimfire priming.

 

[Salmoneye]

Do you mean all Ruger .22s or just that particular pistol?

"I" don't mean anything at all...

The Manufacturer does...



The MKI manual reads almost the same as the MKII manual...Standard and High Velocity Only...

The MKIII and 22/45 manual reads exactly the same as the MKII manual...

The bolt weight and spring is configured for Standard and High Velocity 40 grain pills...

Will others fire and maybe feed?

Sure...

In my MKI, I have ejection issues with the CCI Stingers due to the long case, but they go bang...

A steady diet of hyper velocity is NOT recommended though...

ADDING:

Just looked...

The 10/22 manual states that hyper velocity is fine, but they expressly warn against Stingers due to their longer case...

 

[Tempest 455]

I'd hate to tell you how many stingers I shot out of my Ruger MKIII with absolutely no issues whatsoever. They are loaded to U.S. Industry standards for sure.

Ditto on the Ruger.

I have plenty of both above, by far I felt Stinger was more accurate but still not the most accurate CCI round. It's fast and makes a bang. They are fun in pistols but there are far more accurate choices for rifle.

 

[tech30528]

That'll come in real handy if you're attacked by possums and squirrels. Sorry, I had to say it.

lol

Think of this: the night drop box is basically in a concrete hallway. When you pull up to it you've got about 5 feet on either side of the truck. Don't need long range, just need enough to take a would be robber off task long enough to drop the clutch. If Mr. Opportunity is behind me, that would be in reverse. We don't see much of that sort of thing around here as it is, what with this being a CCW state.

 

[303tom]

I think the viper is a little more accurate and the stinger is a little more reliable. Biggest difference for me has been feeding issues. Some guns don't like the TC viper and I have a MkII that doesn't like the slightly longer stinger.

Edit: I think the Yellow Jacket (HP) would be more compareable to the stinger (HP).

There is no difference in OAL..........
.22 Long Rifle – Subsonic Hollow point (left). Standard Velocity (center), Hyper-Velocity "Stinger" Hollow point (right).

 

[mooner]

Interesting note on hyper velocity, but not Stingers or Vipers necessarily.

I chronoed some CCI velocitors (1445 fps 40 grn HP) and Federal Champion bulk (1260 fps 36 grn HP) in my Buckmark pistol and the Federal Bulk was faster than the Velocitors. I don't recall exactly, but I think the Federal was very close to the 1260 fps advertised with the Velocitor being slower by 50 or so fps. The short barrel in the pistol can't take advantage of the slower powder required to make high velocity.

I can't back it up, but I would imagine similar results with Stingers and Vipers in a pistol. Don't be too disappointed you aren't supposed to use hyper velocity in a Ruger pistol.

It has been awhile, but I think both were very close to advertised speed in my 10/22.

 

[MtnCreek]

Nice caliper Tom. The longer brass is what I figured was causing issues for me. Could have been something else, but I just decided the stingers and mkII didn't play well together and gave up.

 

[Salmoneye]

There is no difference in OAL.........

The case is longer, thus it sometimes causes issues in ejection and feeding of the next round...
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