CCW at a dinner party?

[Larry Ashcraft]

I've had it.

kaferhaus, you have the distinction of being the first on my ignore list.

Goodbye.

 

[Zundfolge]

I've had it.

kaferhaus, you have the distinction of being the first on my ignore list.

Goodbye.

I dunno Larry, he's awful entertaining...you sure you want to miss the fun?

 

[springmom]

you bet, sm

Apple pie is ALWAYS on the menu at a dinner party at my house, because it's my favorite And dinner isn't dinner without nice hot rolls to go with.

Springmom

 

[brufener]

SECTION 23‑31‑225. Carrying concealed weapons into residences or dwellings.

No person who holds a permit issued pursuant to Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 may carry a concealable weapon into the residence or dwelling place of another person without the express permission of the owner or person in legal control or possession, as appropriate. A person who violates this provision is guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, must be fined not less than one thousand dollars or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both, at the discretion of the court and have his permit revoked for five years

Part of the trespass law that applies to "holders of CCW permits"

If you needed a further reason to put Kaferhaus on your ignore list, here it is. He has lied. Title 23 of the Alabama code refers to "Highways, roads, bridges and ferries." The section he quoted does not exist.

My guess is that he lifted the section from another state.

Bryce

 

[Sistema1927]

If you needed a further reason to put Kaferhaus on your ignore list, here it is. He has lied. Title 23 of the Alabama code refers to "Highways, roads, bridges and ferries." The section he quoted does not exist.

My guess is that he lifted the section from another state.

Bryce

Yep, a Google search showed that this is South Carolina law. Got to wonder about someone who would quote the laws of another state in order to justify their desire to gun down dinner guests.

 

[sm]

I am a Southern Gentleman, meaning some stuff just "is".

A true Gentleman provides covering fire for a lady as she reloads -Tamara

A true Southern Gentleman also provides Armed Protection for Table Fare as a guest in another's home. -me

BBQ Guns are a Tradition down South. I mean one is just "expected" to show up armed.

Not once has there ever been any BBQ stolen at one of these "gatherings".

Dogs don't count, they are supposed to sneak food off plates and such...entertainment...them folks from "not around these parts" stepping and fetching , and a carryin' on....while they be shooin', dogs be chewing off their plates....

Other parts of the country may differ, then again just who in the hell shows up for Quiche Dinner anyway? Damn sure not very good "company" and if the BG wants the Quiche...well some crooks are really dumb...

 

[autospike]

If you needed a further reason to put Kaferhaus on your ignore list, here it is. He has lied. Title 23 of the Alabama code refers to "Highways, roads, bridges and ferries." The section he quoted does not exist.

My guess is that he lifted the section from another state.

Bryce

Yeah, I just got to this thread, but the whole time I was wondering where the heck he had gotten this info. I'm in AL and have never heard about this "law".

 

[jeepmor]

What entertainment, you can't make this stuff up.....

No I wouldn't shoot "Bob".

Is that 2 points or 3 points for a reversal....backpedal...

Kaferhaus, please take your meds before shooting your mouth off and then spending the next several pages simultaneously justifying and contradicting your own statements.....

Like I said, I guess I just associate with nicer people

Nicer than you does not appear to take much effort from reading your rants, not much at all

It's called manners, and some of you guys just don't have any.

Kaferhaus, your comments were the only ones lacking of manners in this discussion, what do the rest of you think?

It's just not a polite thing to do.

Here, I can find something I agree with, but concealed is concealed and they are NOT technically trespassing with MY permission to be there now are they.

Likely would never be indicted

That said, the delusion is quite apparent to everyone....but you. You best consult with a lawyer before your next gathering should one of your CCW friends "forget" to remove his piece. Some people carry so much that it's just like carkeys or a wallet in their pocket, they just always have them on their person and don't give it a second thought.

"black helicopters"

I have personally seen the black, no markings anywhere on the bird, helicopters with my own eyes, more than once....I'll bet the pilot was packing too.....

All in all, my answer to the original question would be a NO if i knew the crowd well, plus my friends and I get together to drink beers and see who's the best BS artist.

My alternate response if I did not know the crowd well would be "concealed means concealed." There have been instances of invasions at parties where it turned out fatally bad for the folks due to no protection being present in the home or on any person.

I had a friend/acquaitance a few years back (he moved to TX for new job) and he was an avid CCW holder. He took his pistol everywhere he was legally allowed. A couple of co-workers have stories of him and another colleague coming to visit and the both of them politely and respectfully announcing their guns and asking the homeowners if it would be okay to "remove" them during dinner for they were uncomfortable. The homeowners said it was okay and they both plopped their pistolas onto the coffee table. The homeowner was a little put off by the weapons, but also tolerant and accepting of their legal right to do so. He followed their relieving themselves of their hip weights with a "c'mon guys, your in McMinnville." To which they responded, "you just never know." They laughed it off, smiled and had an otherwise uneventful evening. The homeowner chose not to engage in a 2nd Amendment debate and just blew it off and enjoyed the gathering as he had intended originally.

It does make good conversation occasionally, we have mused about it repeatedly, always ending in a good laugh and healthy rolling of the eyes. My first response is always, why didn't they leave them in the car? To which we agree and get back to work.

And an important yet cliche point is missing here. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. So the gun is not a threat, the person is. A person with a gun is a bigger threat, but the gun won't get the intent or assault charge, or do the time for behaving attrociously, the person does. The gun doesn't have any decision making or rational thinking power the person does....and that's the point. So your intention (kraferhaus) is the one of malevolence in this scenario purely by your own rantings. Kraferhaus, THR posts offer an "edit" mode, I suggest you remove some of your statements and replace them with a

"sorry, I was such a dumbass folks, please forgive me for lying and deceiving you because I was in a bad mood today and simply refused to back down from my poorly chosen words due to being an old codger with more attitude than brains or civility at the moment."

I've gone back and removed statements I've made when I got a bit emotional and said not so nice things about how to handle meth'd up folks who steal your car with the family pet inside. Because even though I don't directly know any THR members yet, I do respect their opinions and strongly believe it is my obligation to keep my statements in check with common decency and respect for others. Sure, we all get a bit punchy at times, but the sign of truly good character is the ability to examine your behavior, learn from it, apologize for it when it's inappropriate, and then ask for forgiveness and try to remember not to be a big dumb ass all over again in the next thread.

jeepmor

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Good grief.

If it isn't too much trouble, could I post a slightly different question and hopefully take the temperature down here just a tad?

Let us say that I host a dinner party, and that my friends and acquaintences attend. I have not asked them if they carry. I have not told them they cannot. Nor have I told them they can.

In the course of the dinner party, in which everyone remains stone-cold sober (must be a dinner party during Great Lent, LOL) some remarkably bizarre accident that I can't quite at the moment think of the mechanics of, occurs, and one of the guests' concealed carry weapon discharges, causing physical damage to another guest, who was also concealed carrying.

Now, here's the question: am I liable for what happened to the unintentionally injured guest? I'm assuming (possibly erroneously) that said guest would not sue me, but they might; and even if they didn't, would I be liable for their injuries?

This is a great law school type question. The answer is that you are not liable, because as "licensees," your guests were only owed reasonable care on your part, i.e., you were responsible only to warn them of threats that you knew about, and you had zero duty to institute a procedure to seek out and discover all potential hidden threats that might be present.

All of this leads to a tangential issue, and that is: if you are at my house and I ask you not to be armed, and somebody, seeing a dinner party in progress, decides to come in and do a home invasion to steal all your wallets, jewelry, my roast and potatoes I cooked for you, etc., am I liable for your protection while you are on my property? IOW, if I were to tell you not to be armed and you complied, and then came to harm on my property, what would the liability picture be then?

I hope this can recenter the thread back into civility.

Springmom

Answer to question number two is that the guests, in choosing to come anyway, have voluntarily "assumed the risk" of coming unarmed, and you are not liable.

 

[Zundfolge]

Here's a parallel scenario:

You have an extremely long driveway (lets say you live in the country for instance) and one of your guests, a licensed driver, hits one of your other guests with his vehicle.

You wouldn't be liable, the driver would be.

 

[boogieshoes]

Notify? I wouldn't. Concealed is concealed.

However, I would use my best judgement and if I knew, or even thought, that the host would disapprove, I would not carry in their home.

for a POV from someone who's more likely to be the host than the carrier... it'd depend on the circumstances of the visit (to my house). for most instances, i wouldn't be inviting you over at all unless i know you and trust you to some degree. emotionally, my house space = my personal space. at which point, you should know me enough to figure out that if, frex, you're going to be at my place for a few hours, i don't really care, as long as everything's legal. but if you're going to stay for a few days, or there's going to be kids around, i want the option of having the gun locked up, if need be. that's not actually to say i want the gun to *be* locked up at any time, but i'd feel better knowing that the option is available, if for some reason i (or you) become uncomfortable with it.

-bs

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Irony

Nearly 160 posts back when Kaferhaus hijacked this thread has anyone realized you all have been debating someone who's online handle translates as bughouse?

 

[Chrontius]

Which One Are You?

Flame Warriors

How many can we spot in this thread?

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

1st I'd never allow anyone to bring a firearm into my house unless they were INVITED WITH THE FIREARM.

I think your question is absurd.

Bringing a concealed weapon into someones home without their prior consent is begging to be shot or humiliated in front of everyone else there.

I've had a CWP for over 30yrs and I've never even considered carrying a gun into someone else's home.

WHY would you even consider such an action? Are you in fear of your life at this person's home? If so, why the hell are you going?

I have to agree (with the point if not the tone it was made with)...I would not do it. Plus, in some states, it is illegal to carry onto private property without consent.

 

[AStone]

I would assume that most anyone I would invite to my home for a dinner party (or be invited by) would be something of a friend. I usually have gotten around to letting my friends know I carry and I ask them if they have a problem with me carrying in their houses. Many carry themselves so it isn't that big of a deal...If I didn't trust them not to attack me, I probably wouldn't have invited them to a meal that involves knives.

I'm on the same page as carebear.

Or as we used to say, +1.



Nem

 

[Kaylee]

enough.
with.
the attacks.