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AS some of you know I have spent almost the last month in the hostipal with my daughter. During this time I would always park in the same area and go in the same entrance. No signs were posted at this entrance or another that was right down from there.

Well, after being there for two weeks I walked out another entrance to talk to my brother-in-law(Who was watching the kids in the car) while his wife was visiting my daughter. I turn around to go back in the hospital and :what: Lo and behold ther was the magic (NO GUNS) sign. :cuss: Of course concealed is concealed so I went back in anyway.

I or course made is a point to go in and out the the other entrance from then on.

Point is what's the use of marking some points of entry and not all? :confused:

This does not make me feel safe at all.

What do you thinK?
 
Check your local laws....

In Texas it is Criminal Tresspass by a permit holder if you enter a hospital armed, sign or not.

Although they dont have to post (my understanding), the ones I have been in do.

Just because you enter through an unmarked entrance does not make it legal (perhaps). For instance, the Mills Corp (Mills Malls around the country) have a national no carry policy. They are posted at the majot entrances, but if you enter via one of the anchor stores such as JC Penny, they may not be posted. This does not make it easy to fight in court and I would rather avoid the battle...so I take my money elsewhere whenever possible.
 
Was this the E.R. door? A lot crazy stuff goes on all day long.
 
No

It was the E.R. door that was unmarked! Also another door down from it. You would think that these doors would be the one's they would mark.

In Kentucky if it's not marked you can go just about anywhere (except your standard court, police stations, schools, etc.) and carry anything you can conceal. ;)
 
I wouldn't worry about about it if i were you. If you have been there a month with no issues I doubt it will come up.
 
In Texas it is Criminal Tresspass by a permit holder if you enter a hospital armed, sign or not.
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Not true.

Texas Penal Code § 46.035(i):
Subsections (b)(4) [hospitals], (b)(5) [amusement parks], (b)(6) [churches], and (c) [government meetings] do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
 
wdlsguy...I certainly stand corrected.

I guess I need to pull out my book and do a little reviewing. Thanks for citing the code for me (us).
 
Isn't Texas code section 30.06 just the strangest coincidence you've ever seen? 30.06?

Ranks right up there with OBD-II code 420...
 
In MO last month I had to park about a block and a half away from the door. It was cold and the windchill was below zero. When I got to the door there was a no gun sign. Horse hockey pucks says I. I wasn't about to walk all the way back to the truck and then back again. As I always say, concealed is concealed; and mine really was. No problems.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Carry at all times unless some external "detector" makes such impractical or impossible, due to the inconvenience or other difficulty encountered in explaining yourself to agents of "the state".

I either avoid such circumstances, or endure them as little as needs be (such as when testifying in court).

The paper "legality" of CCW at any particular place or time is an effort by lawmakers to restrict the potentially-injurious actions of sociopaths. Unfortunately, those efforts simply don't work, and criminal sociopaths don't obey those laws.

If you are a morally-upright, courageous, mentally-stable and sensible person, you have fulfilled the SPIRIT of the law, since you are no danger to the innocent.

If you carry discreetly and don't draw attention to yourself, no one will know if you are armed or not, and no one will be harmed by your discreet CCW, yet you WILL be capable of an armed response if a deadly threat appears.

Post office? Hospital? School? What difference does it really make?
Understand, I'm NOT advocating ANYTHING LIKE wanton disobedience to authority or disregard for rule. I'm speaking of MORAL issues which both underlie and supercede codified laws.

Some folks may find this beyond their comprehension, though those of us who have done this for decades, and have thought through the moral principles involved have no difficulty with the concept.
 
Sawbones

Post office carry is not as illegal as those signs on the front door of every post office seem to indicate (i.e. it isn't in many jurisdictions). Check out http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/rtc-usps.html

It depends on your local law, but as long as you are properly licensed to carry under state law, and you are carrying for a lawful purpose, then you can carry in a P.O. Don't rely on this post or even the website listed above - check out your local laws and be certain that federal, state AND local laws permit this - otherwise you're on your own.
 
wdlsguy

Thanks for pointing out the TX Code provisions regarding hospitals. I knew that, but many others don't. However, at least where I am, every hospital has every entrance posted, as do all of the larger medical office buildings. I don't know what it is with docs & guns, but they don't seem to want them nearby.
 
A local hospital near me went to the "No Guns" policy last year, including police and sheriffs. They had to check their weapons at the door. This was against their depts. policy to be unarmed while in uniform. They had been jerked around many times by the hospital's administrators about "no exeptions to the rule". Well after being called in for a violent patient, the cops refused to enter the hospital door because of the new regulation. It took about 1 hour for the rules to be changed. :D
 
What sign? :evil:


In Virginia the only places we can't carry concealed are:

Church
Public school
Courthouse
Business that has an ABC license for "on premises consumption"


Everything else is fair game. Banks, police stations, 7-11s, state government facilities. Non-state government buildings can post, but it has to be visible.
 
aguyindallas --

IIRC, the law the first time I took the CCW course in Texas, was indeed that hospitals were automatically no-no's. However a year or two ago the law was changed in regard to hospitals, nursing homes, parks, etc. Now those places all have to use the 30.06 sign to legally ban carry. And I think that they do have to cover all entrances - can't put it up on only some entrances and think that it is legal.

What I see is a lot of old signs, and new signs with the silly little 'circle with a slash" over a handgun, and/or words to the effect of "guns are verbotten here." In Texas, such signs mean nothing legally and can be ignored. All such signs HAVE to be in the specified '30.06' format or they mean nothing.

Airport secure areas, courthouses, bars, schools, etc. still automatic no-go zones though.
 
HEY! This thread title might make for a great soap opera!

"We now return to, CCW HOSPITAL. Where the doctors are packing and the nurses love it!". :evil:
 
Unbelievably, in the heart of liberal Minnesota, the hospital where both my kids were born has the following sign:

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Personal responsibility! Who woulda thunk it?

And yes, when my second was born, his pappy was packing. :D
 
I was told by the CHL instructor that unless all likely entry points are properly marked there is no ability to enforce a penalty.

In fact, after investigation he found out that one prominent facility (not a hospital) intentionally left some minor entrances unmarked in an attempt to satisfy everyone. CHL'ers can come in the unmarked entrances and feel good about knowing they're not breaking the laws while the sheep come in the main marked entrances and feel good about being "safe."
 
This is all VERY state-specific. In WA all hospitals (except for mental hospitals IIRC) are treated no different than any other private property. There arent any signage laws in Washington so a "no guns sign" amounts to no more than an unenforcable statement of the property owners wishes. If you violate the sign they can ask you to leave and if you don't you are trespassing.

This applies to visitors and employees. The situation is slightly different for patients and depends on what they are being treated for and how they are being treated. For example if a patient is admitted due to some mental defect (dimentia relating to druge use or medical problem or head injury for example) or they are going to be treated with narcotics the hospital is within its rights to obtain controll over a firearm untill such time as either the patient or a person selected by the patient can come and pick it up. This doesnt happen very often and applies to everyone equally, including law enforcement.
 
I have carried concealed in to a couple hospitals in the surrounding areas to go visit people with no problems. They might not have wanted me to do it, but I don't announce that I am carry when I enter a building.

In Virginia the only places we can't carry concealed are:
Church
Public school
Courthouse
Business that has an ABC license for "on premises consumption".
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In Indiana we can carry at all of those except Courthouses. The public school one is kinda a stretch though.
 
It's in KY right? In KY with the exception of a few specifically mentioned buildings (bars, court houses, etc...), the signs mean relatively nothing. All they can do is ask you to leave if they discover that you are carrying. Now that being said refusal to leave opens the door for criminal trespass charges. I live south of Elizabethtown, and I would guess that the vast majority of buildings have those signs posted, many with a KRS number listed on them, and they stop no one I know from carrying.
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