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I went to a local gun show yesterday, and as usual they had the local FW police there at the entrance to zip-tie any weapons that people bring in, presumably to sell, etc. They also had a sign that said "No Loaded Weapons, this includes concealed carry permit holders...yadda, yadda..."

In Texas, however, there has to be a 30.06 visible and there wasn't, so I was going to just go in anyway, but my dad convinced me not to. So I asked the officer if he wanted to unload my gun and zip tie it, and he said "They're supposed to be unloaded already, but ok let me have it." How is my carry weapon supposed to already be unloaded when the sign was right there at the entrance, and there isn't even a 30.06? ***? He then procedes to point the loaded gun at the next person in line while he unloads it :eek: ! and zip-ties it and hands it all back to me. Next time, I am for sure just going in with it unless they post the proper signage.

What do you all think about this situation?
Last time I went with my brother who is FWPD, and he knew I was carrying and we went in anyway.
 
This attitude toward CC permit holders at gun shows burns me up.

I know it is their event, they can do what they want but come on now doesn't it seem a bit hypocritical? I've also heard the excuse about insurance but I don't uy that either. I've gone to gun shows that don't care if you are carrying legally and have told me their insurance doesn't ask about this. Remember, we are the good guys, and I think we should be treated as such.
 
I'm nervous enough at gun shows the way folks wave those empty guns around without a bunch of people digging in their pockets and coming up with loaded guns because they've just decided that maybe they can use it for a trade on something they've just spotted. Yes, I've seen it happen. Sure, they could just point 'em at the concrete floor while they unload them, but I won't be there to see it. If I live to shoot guns another 50 years I'll still be nervous about strangers waving guns around like they don't have a care in the world or a brain cell left in their head.

Sure, you wouldn't do it and neither would I, but I know for a fact that some people will because I've seen it.

John
 
I'm sorry but I have to side with the gun show on this one. I am very pro gun but I am also pro business and respect a businesses right to dictate the rules they see fit. This also includes business limiting rights to carry while on the job for its employees. Just as businesses shouldn't be told they have to be smoke free or allow smoking I don't think they should be forced to allow CCWs. Ultimately it should up to the business owner. Personally I would excersie my right to choose which businesses to patronize and if my gun isn't welcome then neither is my money.

Now let me bash everything I just said. I would never support a bill that would support a business owners right to refuse service to a CCW UNTIL that business owner was given TOTAL autonomy in the practice of his business. This includes the right to stipulate who are and are not allowed to frequent his business. What I am saying is that I support the complete freedom for a business owner to run the business as he sees fit and let the free market decide his fate.
 
The one gun show I've been to, the fellow at the door insisted on unloading my sidearm himself. And pointed it at his belly while doing it. I guess he was a good enough backstop.

That day, I made up a new rule: John Q Public does not get to touch my sidearm unless I unload it first.

Live and learn, I guess.
 
What do you all think about this situation?
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Reminds me a little bit of the Democratic (sic) party, which never tires of screeching and hollering for taxing our way back to prosperity, saving the nation by aborting the nation's civil rights, and fighting wars by surrendering.
 
Last week, at the Valley Forge Gun Show in PA, there was an AD. The LEO clearing and zip tying guns at the door had to remove a tie he put on a patrons gun. The magazine was in the gun and the LEO had his finger on the trigger when he cut the tie. The gun went into battery and fired! Luckily the muzzle was pointed in a safe direction. This should show everyone to be very vigilant when someone else is handling a gun.
 
I always assume a gun show doesn't allow ANY loaded weapons inside, so I just leave it in my car. I've had too many people point rifles in my direction while they were looking through the sights and such. Granted, 10 to 1 the gun is unloaded but still, Rule #1 is to treat every guns as if it's a loaded gun. People make mistakes, there could be a bullet in the chamber by accident and I'm not about to be the guy at the other end finding out the hard way. When you have large amounts of the public around, expect people to do some really stupid stuff. That's why I think they have the no loaded weapon rule at gun shows.
 
The Austin show prohibits CCW and has 30.06 signs posted, and while I have mixed feelings on it, overall I think its best that they do.

There is enough bad gun handling and pointing at other people of the supposedly unloaded guns in the show, it adds too much of a potential for problems and bad press to have people pull out their loaded guns to try a new holster, or show them off to a dealer/friend.

I'd hope most CHL holders would be smart enough to not touch them during the show, but some of the Rambo-wannabe types I've seen in CHL classes couldn't resist showing off their latest Superblaster Magnum loaded carry gun to their friends or dealers, or show to a dealer it as part of a trade on a gun for sale. And its these people that won't leave their guns in the holster I think that are the reason they ban CCW at the shows.
 
I've had too many people point rifles in my direction while they were looking through the sights and such.
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I also keep getting surprised at just how many people walk in front of a firearm when you are aiming through it or are holding it point in a direct where no one was standing.

I remember when I was in the Army standing with my rifle pointed "up and down range" talking to a drill sergent in the opposite direction when a C.O. walked in front of my weapon, stopped, and then chastised ME for pointing the weapon at him. :fire:
 
Well, I too think businesses have the right to not allow CCW, even though I think it is stupid (and as long as that doesn't include parking for employees) and I would never patronize such a place. However, the big problem here is that they didn't have the correct signage, it was just a sign that said "...this includes CCW permit holders." As far as I'm concerned, that just doesn't cut it, even with LEO there to zip-tie. Then to top it off he did the scary handling.

So really, I'm just confused about what they expect their sign to accomplish. Like I said I only gave them mine after my dad kind of pressured me to.
 
I have never seen a gun show around Houston that didn't have the 30.06 sign. I have no problem with it for the reasons mentioned above.
 
If you're talking about the Austin Gunshow, they started that policy a few months ago when some guy shot himself or someone else in the butt (all I remember is that someone got drilled with a 40...I think it was a 40...anyway, non-life threatening as I recall).

When they first made the change to policy, I definitely did notice the new 30.06 signs at the door. That was in the previous location on 290. To be honest, I haven't paid much attention because I was familiar with the change--but you betcha, they should have the sign up if they don't.
 
I can't imagine going to a place that advertises that folks must be unarmed, and will be walking about with a gun or a bunch of cash. I also consider unnecessary handling of loaded firearms, especially in a crowded place, as stupid. I feel no obligation to engage in a stupid or unsafe practice just because some sign or person indicates that someone wants me to, particularly when the law does not require it.

I don't go to gun shows any more anyway, but I certainly won't start up again if the law or the management prevents me from carrying a concealed loaded weapon.
 
"I also keep getting surprised at just how many people walk in front of a firearm when you are aiming through it or are holding it point in a direct where no one was standing."

True, but the person with the gun is responsible for keeping it pointed in a safe direction no matter what anybody else does.

John
 
Concealed means concealed -- and the fellow I heard that from was an Indianapolis city police officer sitting at the check-in table at a local gun show, when his buddy leaned over and whispered in his ear after noticing my purse was, indeed, a carry purse and I'd just said, "Nope!" to the "Any guns?" question.

The officer replied quite loudly, smiling at me, "Concealed means concealed." ...I didn't have any guns to trade or sell, in fact. And carrying or not, I took his meaning to be that concealment had better not be breached in the show building.

Indiana isn't Texas. We haven't got 30.06 signs and that policeman could have decided I looked shady and needed searched. (A "Terry stop.") Would he have found anything? "Those who say, do not know; those who know, do not say."


But gentlemen, some among you have handed a loaded gun to a stranger? To anyone, outside a range or other shooting situation? Tsk. I don't do that, a habit I have cultivated. If possible, I pass 'em with the mag out and the chamber open. It's a lot easier on the nerves than BANG! "Ooops. Sorreee!" Sheesh! But that's just me.

--Herself
 
"I also keep getting surprised at just how many people walk in front of a firearm when you are aiming through it or are holding it point in a direct where no one was standing."

True, but the person with the gun is responsible for keeping it pointed in a safe direction no matter what anybody else does.
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Yes, that was my point. To be responsible with a firearm means being extra caucious because of other people that just don't pay attention to their own safety.
 
In Texas, however, there has to be a 30.06 visible and there wasn't, so I was going to just go in anyway, but my dad convinced me not to. So I asked the officer if he wanted to unload my gun and zip tie it, and he said "They're supposed to be unloaded already, but ok let me have it." How is my carry weapon supposed to already be unloaded when the sign was right there at the entrance, and there isn't even a 30.06? ***? He then procedes to point the loaded gun at the next person in line while he unloads it ! and zip-ties it and hands it all back to me. Next time, I am for sure just going in with it unless they post the proper signage.
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If you're talking about the one at Will Roger's over the weekend there sure was a 30.06 sign on an easel about three feet from the start of the line. It was in large red letters and in English and Spanish as required. I had to go back to the car (in the pouring rain) to put my carry piece away. Of course, I've alway wondered about the legality of the restriction about carrying loaded magazines. In my opinion, that isn't covered by the 30.06 so as long as the weapon is not concealed, legally it should be ok. By their rules, unloaded and zip-tied. Of course, carry four loaded spares under my shirt should be fine. Would hate to test it out though.
 
A big hypocritical maybe, but the last thing we need currently is for someone to get shot by accident at a gunshow :banghead:

The shows about guns anyway, not ccw permits.
 
Kind of like "no talking or writing allowed" signs at a Journalism conference eh?
If as many of the above folks have acknowledged that many gun owners are too stupid and careless thus making the gun show bans a good thing that says what?
If gun owners are too stupid/careless to carry in a gun show, why do we allow concealed carry outside the gun show?
I will admit there are many bubba's out there I wish didn't have weapons or the chance to procreate but are we advocacating the self appointed "smarter" folks should regulate "dumber" folks? Oh wait, That's already the case....:p
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30.06 sign

I'm not from Texas and I was curious about this. For other non-Texans I will share. 30.06 don't refer to the cartridge.

Section 30.06 deals with those special circumstances when a CHL can be charged with trespass. Section 30.06 is titled "Trespass by Holder of License to Carry Concealed Handgun." It addresses some of the unique questions presented by CHLs and the issue of trespass.
 
Oh, I don't know, do they let you drive the cars around at a car show? How about firing up the motors on the boats at a boat show? Do the engines even have gas in them while they're indoors?

The world is full of people and half of them are below average.

John
 
If you're talking about the Austin Gunshow, they started that policy a few months ago when some guy shot himself or someone else in the butt
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IIRC there was an ND at the Saxet show in Austin last year . . . I heard (but can't confirm for sure) that the negligent person was an off-duty LEO and a flesh wound to a bystander resulted. (If it actually was an LEO responsible, that would be consistent with the media making no mention of it.) The show started posting a proper PC30.06 sign afterwards. :(
. . . a sign that said "No Loaded Weapons, this includes concealed carry permit holders...yadda, yadda..."
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If it doesn't meet the requirements of PC30.06, it may as well not exist if you're a CHL holder.
 
Thought: If gunshow-operators were real' clever, they could purchase (from a sign type store) a giant-size bullseye, and hang one or two high up on the wall(s), then ask the dealers to instruct people to use those bullseyes to "check the sights", so they're not aimin' at people while they're examining the merchandise.

~GnSx
 
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