CCW - If You Could Do It All Over Again, What Would You Change?

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THR has always attracted defensive shooters of all skill levels, but particularly new shooters, and even more so in recent months. I'm starting this thread in the hopes that we can pass along lessons learned from carrying, and I'm hoping everyone from newbies to long-time veterans will chime in if they have any tips. Idea being, maybe someone else can save on hassle, time, and money when they're just starting out by not making the same mistakes we did. That said, I know full well that my lessons learned from mistakes are going to be daily tactics for others. Just keep respect in mind, and remember that each of us have formed different habits... and barring any unsafe acts, there's really nothing wrong with that.

Here's what I would do differently if I was starting over:

1) Get a good leather gun belt. It's unfair to put any holster to the test if it's not supported by quality leather that will hold it in place and make carrying more comfortable.

2) Don't skimp on holsters. Forget the nylon "one size fits all." Know the difference between Kydex and injection-molded plastic. Know that there's a reason some companies charge more, and usually that reason is you get what you pay for.

3) The 5.11 Tactical Vest. :eek: Try not to laugh at me too hard on this one. I still wear it when hiking, camping, going on walkabouts, etc. However, for day to day urban use it looks out of place, makes me feel out of place, and having a holster in the lining of the vest makes it drag horribly to one side.

4) This one applies to a lot more than just guns, but the sooner you open yourself up to the idea that there's a lot you don't know, more you'll learn, and faster too. Never take one opinion as gospel on CCW issues, but realize that when certain people talk about certain subjects, their opinions ought to be given considerable weight. There's a lot more than one way to go about training and equipping to live a prepared lifestyle. Take in a lot - read, train, talk to others on the range, and see what they've got going on. Take the best of it and adopt it. Take the worst of it and orphan it. It really is okay to admit you don't know something and ask, or dive in and do your own research.

5) Take care of your equipment. Learn it inside and out. Spend a weekend afternoon breaking your pistol down to the guts and learning the components. Proper care and feeding means it'll be there for you when you need it.

6) Don't skip getting a .22 pistol. I waited about 5 years after I started shooting handguns to get one because I only wanted pistols that could serve "serious" purposes. Turns out I can spend a couple bucks for an afternoon at the range and get as much serious practice and fun as if I were shooting a larger handgun.

7) If you're going to use your range bag as a carry-on for flying, scrub it thoroughly for loose ammunition to avoid long and embarrassing delays at the TSA checkpoint. :banghead:

And what I'm glad I've done in my history of handgunnery:

1) Shoot a lot of guns. Throughout the time that I was a poor college student and could only afford to own one or two at a time, I was selling or trading a handgun every few months to try something new. I don't like having gotten rid of some good ones, but it was worth it for having gotten to try a larger sample of what's out there. Try the different types - DA/SA, revolvers, striker-fired, single action autos/revolvers.

If a shooter in the lane next to you at the range is showing safe habits, offer to let them try running a magazine or cylinder through your weapon; this will inevitably lead to him or her returning the favor.

2) If you buy a box or two of ammo every time you go through the doors of a place that sells it, you'll always have rounds on hand when you're ready to go to the range. I know this harder now than it used to be, but this too shall pass.

3) Have a dedicated range bag.
Doesn't need to have a fancy logo on the side - mine is a yellow backpack that says Jansport. Keep your eyes, ears, targets, and stapler ready to go. You never know when you might get off work early enough to go plink.

4) Glocks blow up, SIGs have a high bore axis, Beretta locking blocks break, Ruger is anti-gun, 1911s are unreliable, and HK hates you. Get over it, and go with what works for you.

5) Shoot competitions. IDPA, IPSC, 3-Gun, Bullseye, steel. Get out and meet people interested in what you're interested in, test yourself, and have some fun.

6) Leave the range cleaner than you found it. If it's an outdoor range, bring a garbage bag and help clean up after the scum who's moms didn't teach them any better. A lot of good places to shoot are getting shut down because this, so even though it's utterly unfair, do your part to keep the sport alive.
 
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Interesting post with a lot of good ideas. One of the things I would do different is I would not let my wife see some of the guns I have bought. Every time she sees one she takes it away and makes it her own. She does let me look at them sometimes and of course, I'm the one who has to do all the gun cleaning.
 
Good start! Here's my first contribution (I'll do some thinking and add more):

-If you're going to carry, buy and try many different carry rigs. IWB, OWB, paddle, belly band, smartcarry, shoulder holsters, safepackers, fanny packs, ankle holsters, belt buckle holsters, pocket holsters, and neck holsters all have their niche. You'll never know what works best for you until you buy it and try it.
 
Some good advice there. I especially agree with the .22 pistol advice. I learned how to really shoot (and hit with) a handgun by pumping thousands of rounds through a Ruger Single Six.
 
The biggest mistake I made was telling DW's boss that I had a CHP. I walk into his office and the first thing he yells is 'Hi Bob, are ya Packin'?" If i had it to do over again I'd have kept my mouth shut
 
Ummm

Time: Summer 1957

Place: Meteetse, Wyoming. I was tagging along beside my Dad in "downtown" Meteetse. When a pickup pulled along side the road. Guy gets out, starts to head over to the bank. Yeah, Meteetse actually had a bank.....more on that later. First word I hear is "****." My Dad holds up, and so of course I hold up. He's wearing a beat up old timey belt rig with the cartridge loops mostly all full and a pretty good sized revolver. I was too young to know what exactly the revolver was. What amazed me was the paint. There were good sized spatters and smears of Red barn paint, white paint, and sky blue (wife?) Paint pretty evenly distributed across his rig. So he unbuckles it, and rebuckles it loose, and hangs the whole rig on his driver's side rearview mirror, then heads into the bank to do his business. My Dad and I continue down the road.

If I was to recapitulate CCW,

That moment in Meteetse says it all for me. And about the bank........ legend has it that the last bank robbed on horseback in the latterday American West, was the Meteetse bank.

I don't know.


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-Get a couple of different size guns. Logic dictates that a CCWer should carry the most effective weapon he/she can conceal. The problem is, life (wife?) occasionally demands that we wear attire that is out of the norm for us. A weapon that conceals just fine in blue jeans and a baggy shirt might not conceal as well in a tuxedo. Occasionally, necessity requires us to carry a smaller weapon.

I'm allowed 3 weapons on my CCW. They are (in order of preference):
1. Ruger KP345PR (45 Auto)
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2. Bersa Thunder 380 (380 Auto)
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3. NAA Mini-Revolver (.22 Magnum)
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It is best to choose weapons with similar controls when shopping for CCW guns. My Ruger and Bersa have safeties and mag releases in similar places, are both DA/SA, and have identical grip angles. My NAA goes places no other weapon could. I could probably conceal it while wearing only a Speedo if I needed to. :cool:
 
-Prepare for the unexpected! If you're going to carry a weapon in public you should be able to clear a stoppage quickly and effectively while paying attention to a threat.

-Practice point shooting. A lot of people don't think point shooting is useful. At up-close SD distances it works, and the fraction of a second it saves could be the difference between going home and going to the morgue.

-Be proficient enough to pull off reasonably long aimed shots. Threats can come from all distances. I hike/camp/fish a lot and need to know that I can put an aggressive animal down before it gets close enough to endanger my family.

-Carry a reload. I shouldn't even need to explain this one.

-Know that a gun is not a magic talisman. The best way to stay out of danger is to avoid it all together. This is even more important when you have a deadly weapon on your person.

-Don't carry untested ammunition. Find your magic number and shoot that many rounds of a given type of ammo through your weapon without failure before you use it for CCW ammo. Each gun has its own appetite; they won't all eat the same loads reliably. My magic number is 200 for autos, 100 for revolvers.
 
-Start with an IWB. Get a quality IWB holster and hang it on a quality gun belt. Spend at least $150 on the holster and belt combo or you are destined to fail. If you've never carried IWB do not buy a holster that doesn't have a "sweat shield" - you need leather between you and 100% of your firearm. Kydex will tear up your hide almost as bad as a bare hammer spur! Don't be a wuss and give up after being "uncomfortable" for a week or two. The rest of us hung in there and got used to it, you will too. :) You're gonna have to buy new pants, get over it and do it NOW. There's a reason the vast majority of people that carry concealed handguns carry IWB: It works and it's extremely comfortable after your break-in period.

-Start with a major caliber weapon. If you're going to carry a gun, carry a serious one. Your break-in period getting used to an IWB is almost the same whether you are carrying a flat little .380 like a PPK or a big square hand cannon like my XD45. Might as well start with the .45! :evil:

-Don't worry about printing. Nobody is going to notice. Seriously. I've carried 24/7 for 19 years and nobody ever noticed... even when I wanted them too. Ok, don't stretch a skin tight wife beater over your Desert Eagle as someone might notice that, but probably won't.

-Don't drop your weapon on the public restroom floor. There are all sorts of nasty things growing down there! As you sit down on the "throne" hook the waistband of your underwear over the grip of your handgun. This will hold your gun in it's IWB comfortably against the side of your knee. Your weapon won't end up on the floor or low enough that your "neighbor" can see it and/or grab it.

-Ask questions! Got a question, concern, problem, or need a little guidance? Ask somebody! Most of us are here to try to help and learn from each other. Afraid you'll sound like a dork with your "stupid" question? PM somebody and ask them. Do a thread search, find a member that seems to know something about your general subject, and ask them. Example: Want to know what the best handgun caliber ever developed is? PM me and I'll tell you it's the 45ACP! :D
 
+1 on the great post..
my current ccw is a P95 with a iwb
FIST. holster i shoped for a verry long time before i found it on line. expencive but worth every dime. also my range bag is a old soft side tacle bag from cabelas. i got it for free a verry long time ago with a order. works verry well several zipper pockets to carry things. im curetley looking for a old bean bag so i can use if for sand bag filling works great and a whole lot lighter.
 
I started my gun purchases all wrong when I finally got into it years ago. I started thinking I wanted a little pocket gun and picked up a DAO 32ACP. Trigger was horrible, terrible sights, etc. I've carried my Kimber ever since I got it.. and I'll probably never carry anything else. Nothing against them but I don't like little pocket guns. Why I purchased that tiny firearm is beyond me.

My second mistake was getting into concealment clothing. I purchased an overpriced leather vest which just said "i'm carrying!" Loose untucked polo shirts do the trick for a lot less $$

I undersold myself on what guns to get originally. My first hunting rifle was a New England Firearms single shot break action 30-06 with a Barska scope. For not much more money I could have purchased a Stevens 200 or equivalent with a Nikon Buckmasters scope.

Research research research.. the key point I missed when getting into firearms. I jumped into the water too fast.
 
This thread should be stickied for a little while!

Always carry some sort of a flashlight. Be it a tiny, cheap pen light or a large, $300 SureFire. You'll find out why you should have done it sooner, and you'll want a better quality one when yours takes a duke.

Get into reloading your own ammo ASAP! (not exactly ccw related) Stop thinking that it is a waste of time and money. It will save you both. It doesn't take a ton of money to start reloading one caliber. You don't have to go all out and dedicate a room of your house for it. I've seem members here who reload out of a duffle bag in their girlfriend's apartment while watching TV.

Buy more ammo. There is no such thing as too much, and you can literally use the stuff as currency when times are tough, or a Democrat is elected into the highest office.:p
 
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-If you're going to carry, buy and try many different carry rigs. IWB, OWB, paddle, belly band, smartcarry, shoulder holsters, safepackers, fanny packs, ankle holsters, belt buckle holsters, pocket holsters, and neck holsters all have their niche. You'll never know what works best for you until you buy it and try it.
Let me add, learn to make your own holsters. You are going to go through a lot of holsters until you find one that's right for you. And you'll still be thinking, "Why doesn't someone make a holster like . . . ?"

Carry a cell phone. If you're in a tight spot, a 911 call can sometimes avert a confrontation. If you are in a true self-defense situation, you want to be the first one to contact the police after the shooting stops.
 
Great thread.

Be committed. That means remaining proficient with your carry gun. That means shooting regularly and training. That means, for many people, getting into reloading, and maybe casting so they can afford it. That means, carving out the time to reload and train and shoot. That means, giving up some other activities to get that time. That means, spending some of your money differently .... Owning guns to shoot recreationally only is a minor commitment. Carrying a gun daily in public, demands certain lifestyle characteristics. The good news is that there is a broad range of latitude in creating those characteristics and, it is worth it.
 
I'll never buy another IWB holster without a reinforced opening.

My first IWB was a Bianchi clip-on for my Glock 19. It was so hard to holster, that I was worried I'd accidentally shoot myself. I ditched it after a couple of days. I bought a Don Hume 715M and never looked back. I have them for all of my carry guns now, except my Chief's Special which rides in a Desantis pocket holster.
 
+1 on the dedicated range bag thing..... not only does it make going to the range easier....

I went to Jamaica a few years ago using my regular backpack (which I also used to go to the range).... I was stopped at the TSA inspection and asked lots of questions.... then they ran swabs through my bags and tested those.... then I had to take off my shoes (standard practice now, but not then)... then answer more questions.... then they let me go...

I got to my room in Jamaica and dumped my bag on the bed.... to my surprise a fully loaded cartridge fell out with my clothes...

I had 3-4 locals begging me to give them the ammo (it's illegal in Jamaica).... so I chucked it into the ocean.....

That was a close call that could have cost me my vacation....
 
Kudos to Psyopspec! You should lightly edit those, and put them into a format like the shooting rules of safety. We all could benefit from a nice list like yours, printed up, and handed out in CCW classes.
 
1. Do not skimp on the gun, or the ammo. Quality, quality, quality.

2. Always test your ammo. Always.

3. Get a good quality belt, and holster. You will end up with many holsters.

4. Don't get paranoid about people seeing your gun under your clothing. Nobody cares.

5. Know you weapon inside and out. Seriously.

6. Safety first always. I have been shooting 34 years, and never had an AD. Dad drilled it into my head-if 50 people check the gun, and hand it to you and say, its unloaded, check it yourself.

7. Your concealed weapon is your last, last, last, last, last option. Use your head. Leave your temper and ego at home.
 
Practice with your carry gun of choice -- early and often. Practice in all kinds of conditions and all kinds of weather; practice day and night. Practice from time to time with a blindfold on, so that you can get used to loading and unloading in the dark. Practice with your off-hand. Practice with your right eye closed, your left eye closed; practice with both eyes open. Practice with all sorts of ammo, even after you've found the stuff that you like best: It's possible that you'll stumble on something that works even better. Practice until you run out of ammo; then buy some more and practice until you run out of that. Practice until the gun becomes a logical extension of your arm and your hand; then continue to practice.

Practice, in fact, as though your life depends on it.
 
Kudos to Psyopspec! You should lightly edit those, and put them into a format like the shooting rules of safety. We all could benefit from a nice list like yours, printed up, and handed out in CCW classes.

It's technically the property of THR since I posted it, but as far as I'm concerned re-edit and redistribute at will. Just include the link back here on any electronic copies, because I suspect this thread can get better as it grows. Some of what I posted I learned from certain members of this board. The rest was trial & error, and range buddies.
 
1. Save every single piece of brass from every round that you shoot, even if you think that you will never get into reloading.

2. Keep a journal with all the rounds that you shoot out of each gun. It is fun to know how much you have shot in your life time.

3. Do not buy junk guns. This also applies to all gun gear.

4. Buy night sights for your carry guns.

5. Make every single shot at the range count.

6. Clean out the lint that accumulates in your CCW at least once a week. The insides of a pistols can get downright fuzzy when they are riding around in your pants all day.

7. Learn the proper way to lubricate a fire arm. A little bit of lube does go a long way.
 
Shoot to kill. The attacker will cook up a lie about you if you let him walk away wounded. And, he will return later and finish what he started.

Many disagree with that statement. Shooting to kill can get you into legal trouble just as easily as a lying survivor can. Remember, if the attacker doesn't survive to sue you, his/her family will probably sue you. Either way you're gonna face some legal problems. I think it's best to avoid the possibility of a murder charge if you can.

Shoot to stop. It's about stopping a violent attack, not about killing the attacker. We're not bloodthirsty gun nuts, we're people who take responsibility for our own safety.
 
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