49north
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I am extremely irritated by the fact that someone can "drop a dime" which results in a guns drawn traffic stop on an unsuspecting citizen.
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Shadow 7D
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Really, then you haven't watched the News...
google SWATTING.
google SWATTING.
Averageman
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I have to say if pulled over and asked to identify myself in this situation, I would do so without hesitation.
I do not want the LEO's to waste a minute with me, that they could be pursuing the real shooter.
You have a Witness that saw my vehicle leaving the area, not a problem. I thank whoever had the guts to make that call.
I would rather they do what they have to do and do it as quickly as possible; so they can get the guy that actually fired that shot.
I do not want the LEO's to waste a minute with me, that they could be pursuing the real shooter.
You have a Witness that saw my vehicle leaving the area, not a problem. I thank whoever had the guts to make that call.
I would rather they do what they have to do and do it as quickly as possible; so they can get the guy that actually fired that shot.
An excellent point that is, unfortunately, lost on many.
In the vast majority of situations (barring truly egregious behavior on the part of an LEO), it's far wiser to comply on the scene and then straighten things out later, in court, if necessary. The fact that you were not combative, obnoxious or uncooperative will help to strengthen your position in the final analysis.
When I say to comply, I'm not talking about things like refusing to give permission for a search, when asked. As stated, in cases where permission is asked, one can always politely decline to give permission.
easyg
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This is terrible advice!
Do not surrender your Constitutional Rights out of fear or complacency.
The prisons of America are full of innocent men who complied with police.
NEVER comply willingly.
NEVER allow police to search your home or car or person willingly.
If not then, when???
If the police of this nation can trample your Constitutional Rights, at 2am, on the streets of this nation, then you are already living in a "police state" and really have no freedoms at all.
Simply not true. I would guess the percentage of people in this category is about 1/10th or 1/10th of a percent. As a matter of fact I believe that the percentage of innocent people in jail is about 1/10th of one percent.
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You sir have a trust issue. I am old as dirt and have had many encounters with LEOs in my lifetime. Many encounters with judges, Mayors, Congressmen, etc and in virtually every case these people have been straight shooters. I know their are crooked cops(I watch TV) and judges and Congressmen(plenty of them) that would stomp my rights in the ground without a second thought but to pretend that our rights are being trampled every time we meet with an official person is ludicrous.
Know your rights absolutely. Understand that every "right" has some grey area around it that YOU are responsible for and YOU will have to convince the court system that you were correct in asserting your rights. Convincing a judge that the LEO did not have probable cause is probably not the easiest thing to do in Mayberry.
easyg
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You honestly believe that our justice system gets it right in more than 99 percent of convictions???
NO WAY!
I would be very surprised if the system gets it right in even 75 percent of convictions.
Yes I do.
Only a fool would trust the police or the government.
You say "know your rights", but then you say that you have to "convince a judge that the LEO did not have probable cause"....
No.
The LEO has to convince the judge that he had probable cause.
It's called the "presumption of innocence" and it is the cornerstone that our justice system is built upon.
If you believe the burden of proof is on you, then you have already given up your rights.
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OK, this one is far enough out into the weeds now...
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