might have exaggerated a bit but not much. I say expensive scopes way overpriced. if I go on a hunt somewhere I take 2 rifles one as a spare if you climb rocks bang against one or drop it scopes easily gets bent even if you paid 5K for it
^This is a bad argument. I still use my grandfathers Leupold M8 scout scope thats been mounted on a DeerSlayer since the 70's and leupold will still back it up. Thats a good company. Theres a reason why things cost what they do and its not always a scam. Now theres nothing wrong obviously if you like centerpoint. Use them enjoy and defend them if needs be. But its gonna be tough to convince anyone Leupold is basically scamming their customer base.
Have you ever used a fenwick? So in you estimation is any "top" company in the sporting good world worth paying for?
OK tell me how leupold can back up a 40 year old scope and stay in business without charging for all the warranty when the scopes are sold. it is not a scam it is a way to do business
ok tell me how they can stay in business if you send a scope back to them that was $100 40 years ago and fix it at todays rate or send you a new one? only way is to charge enough on new scopes to cover repairs. I paid $89 for the CP but did not pay enough to get a new one 40 years from now or have it repaired 4 times. it is not a scam on leupolds part it is the way they can afford to fix from 0-40 year old scopes
You didn't answer the question though is there any top companies worth paying for or are they all over priced, no better than economy counter parts?
I talked to many reps and they told me that. the top stuff is worth paying for if you use the warranty a few times you know like closing a car door on the pole or stepping on it while in the boat
My friend went peacock bass fishing in the Amazon and I almost forced him to take an ugly stick I had along with his gear. those fish are savage fighters and he along with the others broke their poles and he was able to use the ugly stick to catch 7 big bass. lent it to the other guys with the guides giving the rest ugly sticks. all of them had $200-$300 poles. then you have to ask yourself if the product was so good would you need that warranty. if you feel that is the way to go then that is your choice
So there no quality difference between a CP and a Leupold or any "high end" scope in your opinion? So wheres that leave the Leupold line up? Are the vx-1's, 160ish and up, equal to the vx-6's, 800ish and up?I talked to many reps and they told me that. the top stuff is worth paying for if you use the warranty a few times you know like closing a car door on the pole or stepping on it while in the boat
of course leupold is better then CP. but do you think it is right they sell a $5500 scope to the military? how much do you think it costs to make a good scope?
I have no idea what goes into military scopes so I can not comment. I am sure some one here does though. The military doesn't have to buy them and I am sure there is a lot of competition for those contracts. Do you know for fact they aren't worth 5 grand? I can tell you from my personal experience the VX-1's are awesome, 3-9x40 going for 160ish dollars is a deal. Vx-1s are my best scopes but would like a vx-3i either 1.75-6 or 2.5-8 (numbers might be a bit off) maybe next year.
I agree with this also nothing wrong with a centerpoint either. maybe not made in the U.S. but crossman employ's plenty of people here in the U.S.
I am pretty sure UTG made the adventure series 4x16 the OP mentioned. they have discontinued it and now crosman makes a version
More than a handful of military contracts are categorized as "sole source" contracts which allow for the normal competitive bids to be tossed based on compelling needs, etc. Though they can be beneficial, these types of contracts can end up being a bit expensive.
no I meant the CP adventure series scope that is no longer made was made by UTG for CP. so it seems crosman has put out their own version which is different and I guess UTG is out of it now
Well when you have a captive audience.....
after some time of doing some reading on Leupold military scopes, Mark 4's and other higher end scopes and knowing they have scopes that can be had for under 200 dollars that carry the same lifetime warranty your stance on Leupold being some how unethical doesn't really hold water for me. Obviously your milage will vary. A vx-1 made in oregon going for 160-180 on line, that carries a lifetime warranty, backed by a company that has been around a while with a reputation for customer service seems real fair to me. Just my opinion of course. And I will still maintain nothing wrong with being a fan/user of Centerpoint, Crossman employs plenty of Americans also.
you are welcome to your opinion but mine is they are ripping the taxpayers severely
can you site an article with price and scope model. I'm wondering which scope you think is over priced? I looked into other scopes and Leupold seem to be inline price wise with all the competitors when you try to compare features and what not.
in a quick search I found one at optics planet a Leupold MK 8 - 3.5 x 25 x 56 x 35mm M5B2 for $4700 and I am not sure if that is the one I was referring to for the military which is more
there is nobody going to tell me it costs maybe $3000 for them to make that scope or anyone else for that matter. I mean really how much can it cost to make a good scope? I had $150 bushnells hold zero for 30 years. if some have to much money and are trying to get rid of it they can have at all the 5K scopes they want
