Greg8098
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G26 firing a round @ 1500 fps? I seriously doubt that. A G33 w/ 115 gr. Doubletap loads will do that with no problem, but a G26.........NO WAY
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Change of mind from .45 to 9mm
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Really? I've never noticed that when shooting my 45's (or being next to someone who does). It's more of a boom (45) than a crack (9), but it doesn't bother me.
Now 10mm, 357 mag, 44 mag... Those are loud, to me. Sometimes 40 can be a little annoying, as can 357SIG (but I rarely see the latter).
Biker: that's a good one, have to remember that!
redbearde
IMO it has the smoothest DAO trigger there is, is extremely accurate and it's all steel.
I had actually gone to purchase a G26, but the clerk asked me to just hold the new K9.
That was it! The K9 felt so much better than the G26 I had to have it.
redbearde, I purchased the K9 when they first came out and have never had a failure of any kind with it.
IMO it has the smoothest DAO trigger there is, is extremely accurate and it's all steel.
I had actually gone to purchase a G26, but the clerk asked me to just hold the new K9.
That was it! The K9 felt so much better than the G26 I had to have it.
Yeah I switched last year. I was a hard core 45 man, but several years of higher prices and lower ammo count changed my mind. I stll have me Sig 245, no plans to get rid of it,but I like my G19 and G26. I load them with the classic Federal +P+ 115 grain JHP.
I know it is considered heresy in the U.S. to admit such a thing, but there it is.
I know it is considered heresy in the U.S. to admit such a thing, but there it is.
Yes, I switched about 13 years ago from a Springfield 1911-A1 to then a Ruger 89DC. The Springfield had a match trigger and had been accuratized, it was a nice shooting gun but it wasn't anymore accurate then the Ruger. The Ruger was cheaper to shoot, could take more abuse, and had a much better safety setup. About 7 years ago I traded the Ruger in for a Beretta 92FS and has been a lot more enjoyable to shoot then the 45. I prefer speed over weight so when want to shoot over 200 grains I pull out the Colt Anaconda in 44 mag that scoots a 240 gr bullet at 1,360 fps.
Noise? The 9mm is actually louder than the .45acp. The high-pressure with the sound barrier being broken makes the 9mm in that 160 db range, the .45 is around 155db.
No doubt. I bet a 65 grain will penetrate an entire 6". Anything below 115 grain's a waste of time. Leave those energy stats to the Mall Ninjas.
No doubt. I bet a 65 grain will penetrate an entire 6". Anything below 115 grain's a waste of time. Leave those energy stats to the Mall Ninjas.
skers69
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I stand corrected 1500 fps is possible in 9mm
I just dug into my ammo pile (big pile) and found some cor bon 9mm luger +P 90gr jhp that says on the side of the box... velocity 1500fps and energy 450ft/lbs. But that is small going fast..I would be worried of overpenetration. I will have to fire it this weekend at the range and test the CZ PCR and see how it does.
I just dug into my ammo pile (big pile) and found some cor bon 9mm luger +P 90gr jhp that says on the side of the box... velocity 1500fps and energy 450ft/lbs. But that is small going fast..I would be worried of overpenetration. I will have to fire it this weekend at the range and test the CZ PCR and see how it does.
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I switched from a .45 to a 9mm, except mine runs a 125 grain Gold Dot at 1450 fps and has 357SIG stamped in the case.
Its hotter than any of the "hot" 9mm's and the guns that shoot it were made to handle it, so there are no issues about wear and tear from constant use, and the ammo is also cheaper than buying the hot specialty 9mm loadings.
Its hotter than any of the "hot" 9mm's and the guns that shoot it were made to handle it, so there are no issues about wear and tear from constant use, and the ammo is also cheaper than buying the hot specialty 9mm loadings.
Hokkmike
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The .45 is getting too expensive. I can do a lot more shooting with the 9.
I wouldn't worry about over penetration with light bullets.
Bullets that are 100gr or less, slow down real fast when they hit something.
Think about what happens when a train hits a car and when a car hits another car.
The much heavier train just keeps going, but a much lighter car will usually stop pretty fast when it hits another car.
It's all about momentum.
Shovelhead
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I chose both.
A Colt Commander in .45 and a SA EMP in 9mm.
Same controls on each.
A Colt Commander in .45 and a SA EMP in 9mm.
Same controls on each.
Tezcatlipoca
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Im with the others.
I can put 125 grain jhps at near 1500fps.
but my 9mm bullets come from 357 SIG cases.
I can put 125 grain jhps at near 1500fps.
but my 9mm bullets come from 357 SIG cases.
Change from 45 to 9...
No. But over the last two years I have gained a great amount of respect for the 9mm. I used to believe that a defensive caliber HAD to start with a .4. Now, after shooting my 229 a lot and seeing how reliable and accurate it is, as well as the new ammo choices available, I have come to believe what so many others say; shot placement is 99% of the battle. As long as the round can penetrate deep enough, if a shot is well placed, the BG will not know the difference.
If the chips are on the line though I would feel comfortable, as one could feel in that situation, with a 9mm. I would, however, rather have my 45.
No. But over the last two years I have gained a great amount of respect for the 9mm. I used to believe that a defensive caliber HAD to start with a .4. Now, after shooting my 229 a lot and seeing how reliable and accurate it is, as well as the new ammo choices available, I have come to believe what so many others say; shot placement is 99% of the battle. As long as the round can penetrate deep enough, if a shot is well placed, the BG will not know the difference.
If the chips are on the line though I would feel comfortable, as one could feel in that situation, with a 9mm. I would, however, rather have my 45.
gudel
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another 9 vs 45. if this is a beaten meat, it's ground beef by now.
just get both and be done with it.
just get both and be done with it.
Interesting and Ironic
I am currently debating getting the XD 9mm sc or the XD .45 Compact.
Hmmmmm....don't have a .45 yet but plan on getting a 1911 anyway. Can't decide. Good topic, and yes I'm new so I haven't read about this discussion before!
I am currently debating getting the XD 9mm sc or the XD .45 Compact.
Hmmmmm....don't have a .45 yet but plan on getting a 1911 anyway. Can't decide. Good topic, and yes I'm new so I haven't read about this discussion before!
longeyes
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I shoot .45 better but think, when all is said and done, 9mm makes more sense for carry. The reason is two-fold: follow-up shots and capacity. Cost of ammo for practice is as third reason.
I still believe that .45 has more terminal effect on an aggressor but when you can get close to 500 FPE with some 9mm loads in, say, a Glock 19--e.g. Winchester Ranger T--you really have the ideal self-defense package for almost any plausible situation where you don't need a long gun. I also happen to believe that we are living in what is increasingly a world where Capacity Matters.
I still believe that .45 has more terminal effect on an aggressor but when you can get close to 500 FPE with some 9mm loads in, say, a Glock 19--e.g. Winchester Ranger T--you really have the ideal self-defense package for almost any plausible situation where you don't need a long gun. I also happen to believe that we are living in what is increasingly a world where Capacity Matters.
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mtbkski
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Carried a 45 for a couple years. Have since swithched to a 9mm. With the newer ammunition that is out there. Even the big hardcore 45 nuts, have to admit, that this round is making a big comeback. Not only is it providing decent stopping power, but it allows you to carry many more rounds.
Cheaper to shot. And shooting is what you must do to be truely prepared to use your handgun. I would rather carry a firearm that I shoot all the time, then one I only shoot once in a while cause it cost to much to shoot.
Cheaper to shot. And shooting is what you must do to be truely prepared to use your handgun. I would rather carry a firearm that I shoot all the time, then one I only shoot once in a while cause it cost to much to shoot.
-terry
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Tarwater,
Here's what I did. 9mm for carry (Walther P99c), 9mm for competition and range (CZ 75B stainless), and Sig P220 for .45.
I could do this because the CZ is probably the best value in a 9mm out there. Great feel, very accurate, and extremely reliable. Did I say it was inexpensive? New they are less than $500. It's almost like stealing.
I bought the Sig used for $395. Sigs are such great guns that it's hard to find a bad one. Mine shoots great and has never failed in any way.
My suggestion is that if you have a .45 you really like, clean it and put it away. You'll surely want it again in a year or so. For 9mm get a high quality gun used, or a CZ new. (There are a gazillion different CZ's so you have a large variety of choices).
Here's what I did. 9mm for carry (Walther P99c), 9mm for competition and range (CZ 75B stainless), and Sig P220 for .45.
I could do this because the CZ is probably the best value in a 9mm out there. Great feel, very accurate, and extremely reliable. Did I say it was inexpensive? New they are less than $500. It's almost like stealing.
I bought the Sig used for $395. Sigs are such great guns that it's hard to find a bad one. Mine shoots great and has never failed in any way.
My suggestion is that if you have a .45 you really like, clean it and put it away. You'll surely want it again in a year or so. For 9mm get a high quality gun used, or a CZ new. (There are a gazillion different CZ's so you have a large variety of choices).
Wordsmith
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Not quite what you were asking, but I did switch from .40 S&W to 9mm.
I'm probably younger than a lot of you, so by the time I started learning to shoot handguns, the .40 S&W was becoming one of the dominant calibers. The first several handguns I purchased were all .40s, and oddly enough I shot all the major handgun calibers (.357 Magnum, .45 ACP) before I ever shot a 9mm.
After shooting 9mm for the first time, I decided that I liked some of its characteristics better than .40 S&W at a negligible loss of performance. I gradually sold or traded away all my .40 S&W handguns.
Today I'm standardized on 9mm and .45 ACP. I carry both calibers with 100% confidence that they can get the job done. I shoot 9mm a lot more simply because of the lower cost of ammo. But in the winter I mostly carry a .45 Auto.
My preferred carry round in both 9mm and .45 ACP is Federal HST.
I'm probably younger than a lot of you, so by the time I started learning to shoot handguns, the .40 S&W was becoming one of the dominant calibers. The first several handguns I purchased were all .40s, and oddly enough I shot all the major handgun calibers (.357 Magnum, .45 ACP) before I ever shot a 9mm.
After shooting 9mm for the first time, I decided that I liked some of its characteristics better than .40 S&W at a negligible loss of performance. I gradually sold or traded away all my .40 S&W handguns.
Today I'm standardized on 9mm and .45 ACP. I carry both calibers with 100% confidence that they can get the job done. I shoot 9mm a lot more simply because of the lower cost of ammo. But in the winter I mostly carry a .45 Auto.
My preferred carry round in both 9mm and .45 ACP is Federal HST.
sansone
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I prefer 9mm only because you can get smaller and lighter pistols chambered for it (compared to most 45's)
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