armoredman
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All I want is MUCH cheaper factory Mini-14 20 round mags. And I concur, the new 380 is far too similar to the KelTec.
Changes afoot at Ruger
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Wolfgang2000
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At Wally-world I saw a strange Mini-14. It was stainless steel, and had a very heavy barrel. At least as heavy as 10-22 match barrel. At the end it had a 4" long, compensator that was bigger around than the barrel and screwed on. It had a heavy high comb laminate stock. No iron sights, just scope rings. Wally had it labeled as a "ranch" and wanted $760.00 for it.
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Someone has posted to the effect that if Ruger does this or that to the mini-14 it will become more popular with LE. Actually, this is the one Ruger firearm that already has an excellent position and reputation in the LE and corrections communities. Anyone who follows any of my posts knows I'm no fan of Ruger inc, but this is one area where they have generated a very positive response from LE, and it should be pointed out...................
Ruger management claims that it intends to adopt "The Toyota Way" wholesale. Maybe so.
My take as a long term stockholder (not that that gives much more insight into the internal workings of the company) is that under Bill Sr. in his dotage the outfit went to seed. His son came and went as a company player in about one year, and was put out to pasture. All the outstanding stock belonging to the Ruger family was repurchased and no one from the family is now involved in company affairs.
Along with the air deflating out of some places, there are signs that the current management is trying to do the right things. They have unloaded a certain amount of baggage to include real estate in AZ and some of the company's gun collection.
Who knows--the stock price might go back up and the dividends resume if they get it right. I know I've bought my share of their products over the years to help things along.
Hope the rest of you are in there helping too.
My take as a long term stockholder (not that that gives much more insight into the internal workings of the company) is that under Bill Sr. in his dotage the outfit went to seed. His son came and went as a company player in about one year, and was put out to pasture. All the outstanding stock belonging to the Ruger family was repurchased and no one from the family is now involved in company affairs.
Along with the air deflating out of some places, there are signs that the current management is trying to do the right things. They have unloaded a certain amount of baggage to include real estate in AZ and some of the company's gun collection.
Who knows--the stock price might go back up and the dividends resume if they get it right. I know I've bought my share of their products over the years to help things along.
Hope the rest of you are in there helping too.
That would be the target version of the Mini-14. It came out recently. Don't know about actual accuracy, though...
What about the internals? There are quite a few guns out there that look like another, but have different internal mechanisms.
Lucky
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Glock19XD your information is from 2002. If you have current information on Ruger Management please post it. 5 or 6 year old mgt info it worthless.
Ha! Good one.
Ha! Good one.
I'd say these guys have pretty much summed up the reason for the turnaround. Ruger knows that they must adapt or die. They have ignored the fastest growing segment of the shooting community, namely high capacity semi-automatics, and it has hurt them bad. Fortunately, unlike many gun companies, they have seem to have decided to cut their losses and started listening to their customers.
fletcher
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I'm pretty excited with the changes happening - another company making more options just means more competition for pricing and development. Hopefully they'll pick up some customers with the new items and continue to make fun new toys 
Well, that's refreshing.
Their backward stances gun control were pretty much the primary thing that was holding me back from buying one of their products - namely, the SP101, which wasn't even directly impacted by such things. Now, I'm thinking about it, once I get some money.
Their backward stances gun control were pretty much the primary thing that was holding me back from buying one of their products - namely, the SP101, which wasn't even directly impacted by such things. Now, I'm thinking about it, once I get some money.
SASS#23149
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. I don't care if it looka like a Kt or not,the name Ruger would make me very interested in seeing one.
Too bad the Ruger execs don't jump on here like the Charles Daly owner has.
Too bad the Ruger execs don't jump on here like the Charles Daly owner has.
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Ruger should introduce a super strong 1911 and there own line of AR's.
Not really, they introduced the P85 back in the "wondernine" era, and updated it with the P89. Then they introduced an 11rd .40 to compete with the Smith 4006, then a compact P93 9mm, then a new .40 and 9mm in the P94, then a polymer 9mm in the P95, etc.
Ruger's been making "high capacity" 9mms the whole time.
fletcher
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The Ruger MSRP is actually no more than that of a P3AT.
Ruger has been changing since the change in management, plain and simple. New head man, new ideas, pretty simple. I think the main man is the son of Bill Ruger, and if so, he probably had ideas on how to run things for years, all of those being stifled by his dad when he ran it. Take a ook at the Ruger site, it is geared toward making money, and the way they are going to do that is to appease shooters, not anti-gunners.
Add on: Then again, I thnk even the son Bill jr. has retired; if I recall rright back in 2006.
Add on: Then again, I thnk even the son Bill jr. has retired; if I recall rright back in 2006.
Lucky
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When was this, do you have any releases, and such? What the heck are they even traded as?
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I am typing from Las Vegas, SHOT show.
Today I went to the Ruger booth where they had four Mini14s on display.
One was on a TAPCO stock. The Ruger rep said that they sold several to a PD in CA who ran them through thousands of rounds and reported that the stock held up well.
Another was on a SAGE stock, with an AR15 pistol grip. Very solid and well built, with great ergonomics.
The other two had the new Mini14 features - 16.5" barrel, thicker barrel all the way up and down its length, and modifications to the receiver as well.
Rails were on both the PG models.
Bear in mind these were at the Ruger booth. So, yes, I believe they are going after the EBR market.
Eightball
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This would be my bet. It's pretty simple--in a free market, you can play by the market's rules, or your rules. They must've finally realized "hey, we can't stay in business unless we make things people want and will buy, which means we have to make things that'll sell, which means we can't play hardball when our existence is on the line." You can play hardball as a consumer, because the joys of the free market system is that it allows you to be picky, if you pay the price. You can't do that as a producer unless you're very, very careful or very, very expensive--and for a while, Ruger was neither. (note: NOT a rant on Ruger's policies, just a general rule of thumb).
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It's always good to have allies, especially those motivated by enlightened self interest, so I'm happy to encourage Sturm, Ruger to pursue a modified direction.
The photo of their new .380 does look like the Keltec. If it's an unlicensed clone, I think that's a legal matter for Keltec to address with Ruger. If Keltec does so and prevails, substantial sales of the Ruger product could work to Keltec's profit. It's no "disloyalty" to Keltec to buy a better version from Ruger unless, of course, the buyer holds stock in Keltec or gets invited to family dinners. The couple of Keltec products I've disassembled and examined look crudely made and haven't impressed me as examples of workmanship. The Ruger products I've examined do impress me. I could be intrested in a 9mm Ruger like that, although probably not a .380.
We live in interesting times.
The photo of their new .380 does look like the Keltec. If it's an unlicensed clone, I think that's a legal matter for Keltec to address with Ruger. If Keltec does so and prevails, substantial sales of the Ruger product could work to Keltec's profit. It's no "disloyalty" to Keltec to buy a better version from Ruger unless, of course, the buyer holds stock in Keltec or gets invited to family dinners. The couple of Keltec products I've disassembled and examined look crudely made and haven't impressed me as examples of workmanship. The Ruger products I've examined do impress me. I could be intrested in a 9mm Ruger like that, although probably not a .380.
We live in interesting times.
P. Plainsman
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Overall, this is a great sign of where the gun culture's going.
Ruger is a big, conservative (in the "don't rock the boat" sense) gun company. The more full-capacity mags and EBRs get sold, the bigger is the political/business/lobbying constituency for them, and the better our chances of fighting off another ban.
Hopefully Ruger will start selling new production 20-round .223 and 7.62x39 mags as accessories on their website for all the other Mini series owners out there.
That new subcompact .380 carry pistol is another big shift. In the video from the SHOT Show, Steve Sanetti was expressly plugging it as a gun for the booming "concealed carry" market. Yes, a Ruger honcho said "CCW" on camera!
I applaud it -- as long as they're not infringing Kel-Tec's patents or trade dress. But you'd figure Ruger would have thought through the legal angles of that design carefully. One thing they're not short of is corporate lawyers.
Ruger is a big, conservative (in the "don't rock the boat" sense) gun company. The more full-capacity mags and EBRs get sold, the bigger is the political/business/lobbying constituency for them, and the better our chances of fighting off another ban.
Hopefully Ruger will start selling new production 20-round .223 and 7.62x39 mags as accessories on their website for all the other Mini series owners out there.
That new subcompact .380 carry pistol is another big shift. In the video from the SHOT Show, Steve Sanetti was expressly plugging it as a gun for the booming "concealed carry" market. Yes, a Ruger honcho said "CCW" on camera!
I applaud it -- as long as they're not infringing Kel-Tec's patents or trade dress. But you'd figure Ruger would have thought through the legal angles of that design carefully. One thing they're not short of is corporate lawyers.
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possum
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i am sure the ruger version will be much better some way or another.
El Tejon
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Has anyone actually placed a foot on the gun yet?
Ruger has a history of vaporware.
Ruger has a history of vaporware.
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