Chicago, no gun, how about a knife?

[HC_Jack]

a knife can fly in checked luggage all day. I brought swords back from califorina to ohio, then to japan.

A few years back a saw a guy nonchalantly sitting on a bench on Michigan Ave with a katana strapped to his back. I'm not sure if the CPD ended up hassling him or not.

About ten years ago, I saw my relatives for the first time in 13 years. I drove to my cousin's place in Humboldt Park and waited for her to come downstairs. When she got in, I asked her why there were candles next to the apartment doorway. She replied, "Those are for 'Manuel' who got shot there."

Agreed that no place is perfectly safe (demonstrated by the random beatings in Lincoln Park a few months ago), but Humboldt Park is one of the worst places you can go on the North side. Unfortunately, I can also relate to the candle story, as there was a makeshift memorial about 50 yards from my front door for the "former" gang member who was stabbed to death there last Halloween.

 

[Autolycus]

So Deanimator you cannot post some links? You made these outrageous claims, surely you should be able to post some links.

The majority of violence is gang related and they target other gang members. This is an important fact.

I also suspect the crime rate is high due to a massive police shortage which Daley is partially responsible for.

As far as neighborhoods, generally the whole city is pretty safe for visitors. I should have phrased it better but avoid people you think look shady and you should be fine.

 

[BrianB]

We go downtown all the time. Never a problem or even a nervous moment. Mag mile, State Street, crowds (not the taste), Navy Pier, and Museum Campus are all generally fine. Stay in condition yellow & stay sober. Bad guys generally will look for easier prey in darker, lesser traveled areas.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Just for grins I went to the Chicago Tribune site. Here are some of the stories that made the news in a 2 day period. Obviously this does not include any of the more mundane violent crimes, such as, armed robberies, assaults, rapes...etc. I have said this before, *hitcago is one of the worst cities in this country for violent crime. The fools in the city need to get King Richie out.

Yes, most of the more violent crimes, such as, murders and drive-by shootings take place on the South and West sides. However, how far do you think that is from Downtown or the Mag Mile? You jump on a subway or El and miss one or two stops and you'll end up in a bad part of town. No, the other guy wasn't making outrageous claims. Even in the so call clean and yuppified North side, you had a series of muggings that were never solved and mysteriously disappeared from the media. On the near West side you had riots in the streets because of gangs fighting. Don't believe me? Go do some research.

Anyone who goes to *hitcago for a vacation needs to keep their eyes and ears open, keep to the tourist traps, and carry whatever defense they can legally carry.


Boy killed, father wounded in South Side shootingDecember 13, 2009 12:15 AM

Police search for teen last seen in September December 12, 2009 9:47 PM
Police locate missing West Side boy December 12, 2009 9:44 PM
Mourners remember slain girl who had gone missing December 12, 2009 7:28 PM
Girl missing in Englewood neighborhood December 12, 2009 2:42 PM
Oak Brook, Skokie banks robbed December 12, 2009 1:53 PM
Man dies after being found shot in backyard December 12, 2009 6:58 AM
Man shot outside club dies from injuries December 12, 2009 6:20 AM
Woman found shot to death on South Side December 12, 2009 6:12 AM
Man charged with firing on cops has court outburst December 11, 2009 1:25 PM

Oldskoolfan
So Deanimator you cannot post some links? You made these outrageous claims, surely you should be able to post some links.

The majority of violence is gang related and they target other gang members. This is an important fact.

I also suspect the crime rate is high due to a massive police shortage which Daley is partially responsible for.

As far as neighborhoods, generally the whole city is pretty safe for visitors. I should have phrased it better but avoid people you think look shady and you should be fine.

 

[Autolycus]

As I pointed out the majority of crime is gang related.

As far as the missing children, here is an interesting look from a veteran Chicago cop.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13350456&postID=4428147887171013494

Most of these children are just by products of their parents poor parenting skills.

In regards to teh shootings the vast majority of these shootings are primarily gang related. In the article labeld "Boy Killed, father wounded..." the first thing that strikes me is that it is gang related and they started to attack whom they believe to be fellow gang members.

As far as the ariticle entitled "Girl missing in Englewood neighborhood" can we suspect that the original poster is more mature than the 12 year old girl in the article? Surely other states have high rates of kidnapping, which is still a possibility here in this article. But from the article it looks like she most likely is a runaway, especially with the fact that she left a note saying she wished to run away.

In your article about the Man shot outside club, well the police caught him and recovered the weapon.

The article about the man who fired at officers was about his outburst in court. It should also be noted that he was arrested for a "domestic dispute" and I doubt the original poster would be there trying to place him under arrest.

As far as the slain girl who went missing and her mourners, well that was 11 years ago. Surely in a state with better carry laws a girl has been found slain and murdered. She was 12 by the way. So I would have to ask even if we had a CCW law, would she have been able to carry a weapon? The same question for the 12 year old girl who ran away? Is she eligible to carry a weapon?

In Oakbrook and Skokie, which are not in Chicago but suburbs, people are free to own firearms. So the Chicago restrictions are a moot point. However it was a bank robbery and I will concede it happens here. But it also happens in states with CCW laws, right?

And the article about the missing West-side boy.... well if you read it you would see that the boy stayed at his friends house on December 11th (Friday) and he was "found" on December 12th (Saturday). He just did not tell his parents. So would the Chicago gun ban have stopped the boy from not reporting in to his parents and letting them worry as well as file a missing persons complaint?

For a realistic look at what is truly going on in Chicago I would suggest... http://www.secondcitycop.blogspot.com/

You will find a great deal of pro-gun postings in there. Not to mention the author and owner is a fan of CCW and hates Daley as much as many do here. He also evaluates and does not jump off to ridiculous conclusions.

By the way Onward Allusion where are you from? I see Earth, but what state or country in particular?

 

[Deanimator]

As I pointed out the majority of crime is gang related.

That's like "pointing out" that the majority of wartime shootings (and bombings, bayonettings, etc.) are "soldier related". How'd that work out for civilians in Europe and China in the 20th century?

The fact is that there's no magic spell that causes a bullet to fall to the ground an inch past the gang member it missed. Also, contrary to all (actually YOUR) expectation, gang members are CRIMINALS who engage in criminal behavior which effects EVERYONE. In addition to shooting and beating each other, they shoot and beat people who want nothing to do with them.

But again, I doubt you VISIT the areas (or the areas NEAR) where this happens, much less live there. I grew up in them.

 

[Deanimator]

As far as the missing children, here is an interesting look from a veteran Chicago cop.

...who censors comments to camouflage the ACTUAL feelings of Chicago cops if they reflect racism or advocacy of criminal activity.

It is also almost ALWAYS unquestioningly supportive of the actions of Chicago cops, even when those actions are overtly criminal. Witness the loud and long support for the Chicago cop who SAPPED an elderly man handcuffed to a wheelchair, AFTER he had been stabbed in the abdomen.

He has an agenda, and that agenda includes hiding facts, and opinions by cops that he doesn't think the non-police public ought to see.

Second City Cop is like a "semi-official" Iranian news agency. Sometimes it's a valuable CLUE as to what's going on. It's NEVER an objective source of truth.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Let's say I once knew a guy who lived in Chicago and he's now in IN now. He grew up and lived in Chicago's South & Southwest side for 80% of his life, then the suburbs and WI. He knows what Chicago is like. He still has family and friends in Chicago & the surrounding areas. The State of IL is controlled by King Richie and his cronies and he was doing the happy dance when they lost the Olympic bid 'cause it would have just enhanced King Richie's power base.

Chicago and Illinois has some of the most restrictive firearm laws. Given that, how does one explain Chicago's fame for being the murder capital in the country for 2 or 3 years straight a couple/few of years ago? Conceal carry must past in IL in 2010 and the Chicago citizens must get themselves armed.

When my friend lived in Chicago, he got robbed twice. Once they just kicked in the door and ransacked the place (gee, I wonder *** would have happened if they were home?). The other time he was stupid from living in WI too long and left a tiny crack open in his window on a 2nd story apartment. His neighbor and him both got burglarized. His cars had been broken into 3 or 4 times. Guys have followed his significant other, at the time, home TWICE from her retail job (store closed @ 9) and the only way she was able to defend herself was that she was illegally carrying. Then there was the time (15 or so years ago) when a group of thugs try to herd his SO, her lady friend, and him into an alleyway. It ended with him pulling his crappy .25ACP. Like cockroaches they scattered upon seeing it. BTW, most of this happened on the NORTH racially diverse, supposedly non gang infested diversed part of the city, and no he was not some gangsta or wanna be. He was a freakin' accountant!!!

Even the CPD cops (a good friend of his included) had their own saying - "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

This was his experience and this is why he absolutely HATES the *hity of *hitcago and even though it is one of the most cosmopolitan cities near IN., he will almost never go there

Oldskoolfan
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By the way Onward Allusion where are you from? I see Earth, but what state or country in particular?

 

[Deanimator]

This was his experience and this is why he absolutely HATE the *hity of *hitcago and even though it is one of the most cosmopolitan cities near IN., he will almost never go there

I have similar if not more negative feelings about Chicago.

I go there once a year to visit my mother. When she dies, my visits stop, forever.

Being unable to lawfully carry ANYTHING of much utility for self-defense, I plan for using my mother's car as a weapon. Somebody may shoot me there, but they're going to have to do it while being dragged down E. 71st street, underneath a car going 60mph. I once saw a CTA bus driver close a stuck front door by driving up on the curb and smacking it with a lamp post. I'll bet that works with somebody hanging onto the side of a Chevrolet too.

 

[Nanook]

Deanimator, I agree with your feelings about Chicago. I moved out in 1978 and I don't go there unless I have to.

We have one relative still living there, my wife's sister, and we're always on her to move out while she's still breathing. She has several flavors of gangs all around her.

I work construction, and the last time I worked a Chicago job was 1995. This is not an accident on my part, it's very deliberate.

I'm a Sox and Blackhawks fan. I've only been to US Cellular Field twice since it was built in the '90s. I've only been to the UC twice, to see the Hawks and a concert. It's not worth the risk to your life and property to go into those areas. At Cellular Field on the fringes of the parking lots cars are broken into regularly unless a bribe is paid. Isn't that something? Your Baghdad with snow analogy is an apt one.

On the way to the UC, aggressive panhandlers and beggars operate right in front of the cops and bother you just about up the doors. The cops don't seem to notice.

Now I'm sure we'll hear from somebody who "lives right there" and never sees anything happen. There are only two ways this can be, they're not paying attention or they're lying.

I was ecstatic when Chicago lost the Olympics bid, it was a direct slap to the little emperor. I hear he was absolutely apoplectic in private over the loss. Of course, it would be hard to tell because on his best day he babbles unintelligibly.

Personally, I hope his kingdom unravels over the lost bid with all of the corruption and this saves us from anybody
else in his family running for office. The city needs new leadership, preferably American leadership rather than Soviet.

 

[Deanimator]

Deanimator, I agree with your feelings about Chicago. I moved out in 1978 and I don't go there unless I have to.

The real irony is that a few years ago, my mother moved to one of the far south suburbs. She could have moved just a LITTLE farther east and been in Indiana. I could then FLY into Indiana, WITH my gun and carry while there. She actually drives to Indiana for gas. Unfortunately, ALL of my other relatives still live in Apartheid Chicago and on Christmas night I'm chauffeuring them to all of the LAST places on earth I'd want to be without a gun, having lived in or near them in the '60s and '70s. They haven't gotten ANY better. My old neighborhood near St. Columbanus Church looks like Baghdad. One of my cousins went to St. Sabina, where that drooling anti-Semite and all around simpleton, Phleger holds sway.

And yes, I was doing the happy dance when Chicago lost its Olympic bid too!

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by Deanimator:
That's like "pointing out" that the majority of wartime shootings (and bombings, bayonettings, etc.) are "soldier related". How'd that work out for civilians in Europe and China in the 20th century?

The fact is that there's no magic spell that causes a bullet to fall to the ground an inch past the gang member it missed. Also, contrary to all (actually YOUR) expectation, gang members are CRIMINALS who engage in criminal behavior which effects EVERYONE. In addition to shooting and beating each other, they shoot and beat people who want nothing to do with them.

But again, I doubt you VISIT the areas (or the areas NEAR) where this happens, much less live there. I grew up in them.

What areas are those? Got a map? Since obviously you know which areas are gang areas. Please post and show your expertise.

I grew up in Cicero and Humboldt park. Eventually we moved out of the city during my junior year of high school.

Originally posted by Deanimator: ...who censors comments to camouflage the ACTUAL feelings of Chicago cops if they reflect racism or advocacy of criminal activity.

It is also almost ALWAYS unquestioningly supportive of the actions of Chicago cops, even when those actions are overtly criminal. Witness the loud and long support for the Chicago cop who SAPPED an elderly man handcuffed to a wheelchair, AFTER he had been stabbed in the abdomen.

He has an agenda, and that agenda includes hiding facts, and opinions by cops that he doesn't think the non-police public ought to see.

Second City Cop is like a "semi-official" Iranian news agency. Sometimes it's a valuable CLUE as to what's going on. It's NEVER an objective source of truth.

Funny all of the CPD officers whom I have spoken with say that Secondcitycop is pretty much spot on in the blog. The fact is most of these kids are irresponsible and they run-away. CCW and gunlaws do not prevent kids from running away. Just because you have a gun at your house and you can carry it around, does not mean that your kids will not run away. You must learn to understand that a gun is not a magic talisman that will prevent bad things.

Can you post some links to the cop who beat the wheel-chaired offender? I am pretty sure I know what you are talking about but I would like to confirm. Obviously you have some support for your emotional ranting, don't you?

So Onward Allusion having never lived in CHicago but knowing a guy who did makes you an expert? How would CCW have stopped your friend from being the victim of a burglary? Perhaps a home invasion but it would not have stopped the criminals from entering the domicile, would it? Would it have stopped people from breaking into his car?Please post some statistics that show that CCW is what stops crime and not a combination of factors. Please show these stats for all the world to see instead of useless anecdotal stories about what happened to a friend who has a friend.

Deanimator: Do you have any proof that Father Phleger is an anti-semite? That is a large accusation. While he is obviously anti-gun just labeling him an anti-semite to arouse more dislike of the man is something I would expect of a moronic child-man rather than a rational adult human. So please post proof.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Hmmmm...

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Oldskoolfan
So Onward Allusion having never lived in CHicago but knowing a guy who did makes you an expert? How would CCW have stopped your friend from being the victim of a burglary? Perhaps a home invasion but it would not have stopped the criminals from entering the domicile, would it? Would it have stopped people from breaking into his car?Please post some statistics that show that CCW is what stops crime and not a combination of factors. Please show these stats for all the world to see instead of useless anecdotal stories about what happened to a friend who has a friend.

 

[Deanimator]

What areas are those? Got a map? Since obviously you know which areas are gang areas. Please post and show your expertise.

The places I've lived in Chicago:

69th & Indiana Ave.
84th & Loomis
78th & Honore

Do your own Map Quest search. I don't expect to EVER see you in ANY of those places.

Funny all of the CPD officers whom I have spoken with say that Secondcitycop is pretty much spot on in the blog.

I'll bet that Van Jones will tell you that the RCP website is "spot on" too. If you tell people what they want to hear as opposed to the truth, you're usually popular.

Do you have any proof that Father Phleger is an anti-semite?

Have you heard him defend Louis Farrakhan as NOT an anti-Semite? I have. To do that, you either have to be an imbecile, a liar, or as in Phleger's case, BOTH. Isn't he friendly with Jeremiah Wright too? Can you recall for everyone WHO it was that Wright says is keeping Obama from talking to him? The Zoroastrians, perhaps...

 

[Onward Allusion]

Time to close this thread, eh?

 

[Autolycus]

So using your logic Bush is an anti-semite because he is friends with the Bin Ladin family? I am sorry but Phleger is not an anti-semite. You still have not posted those links I asked for.

As far as your previous addresses, I have been there. I lived a few blocks from Cook County Jail. I used to ride the same CTA buses as the inmates getting out did. I am not afraid. I love cruising around Englewood late at night, I am not afraid.

Well you still have not provided any possible counter arguments that are not based on sill emotions and the terror you have of your own shadow if you do not have your gun on you.

 

[Deanimator]

So using your logic Bush is an anti-semite because he is friends with the Bin Ladin family? I am sorry but Phleger is not an anti-semite. You still have not posted those links I asked for.

Changing the subject doesn't make what you claim true.

Is Farrakhan an anti-Semite, yes or no? Phleger says he's not. That makes him an imbecile, a liar or both. I vote for the latter. He's friends with Jeremiah Wright too, ISN'T he? WHO is it that Wright claims is keeping Obama from talking to him? Mormons? Shintoists? Followers of Crom Cruagh?

Racism, anti-Semitism and the like are hallmarks of anti-gunners.

 

[Autolycus]

Phleger says he is not. So you are going to use Father Phleger as a credible witness now? Do you believe he is right when it comes to guns?

I don't care if he is friends with Jeremiah Wright. What does that matter? You still have not posted any links as I asked you before.

 

[Deanimator]

Phleger says he is not. So you are going to use Father Phleger as a credible witness now?

Since tribesmen in the remotest parts of the Philippines know that Farrakhan is a raving anti-Semite, that proves that Phleger is a liar. Why would somebody lie about Farrakhan's anti-Semitism? Because he's an anti-Semite too.

Now let's see, WHOM does Jeremiah Wright blame for Obama not talking to him? Was it Scientologists? The Druse? Scratch an anti-gunner, find a racist or anti-Semite.

 

[Autolycus]

So you still have no links? You just make assumptions and expect everyone to agree with you? Please post links and use them to back your ridiculous asinine claims.

 

[Deanimator]

So you still have no links?

So, WHO is it that Wright says is keeping him and Obama apart? Anabaptists? Druids?

WHAT kind of religion did Farrakhan say Judaism is? (Hint: The Lakewood, OH 911 operator will think they hold services on the roof.)

Scratch an anti-gunner find a Klansman.. or the photographic negative of one.

 

[Autolycus]

Links please.

 

[Deanimator]

Links please.

WHO is it that Wright says is keeping him from Obama? Worshippers of Zeus? Quetzalcoatl?