Christian Science Monitor contemplates America's gun-carry culture

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Correct me if I'm wrong,

Not at the CSM. I've been a reader for over 20 years and I've never seen anything like that. It also isn't even consistent with the attitude or editorial approach. If you didn't see it yourself in the publication (and a quick google doesn't turn it up) then your probably thinking of something else.

As to the topic, many of our members aren't of an age to have been of gun owning age during the AWB and don't have a solid grip on what that was like for us that were. Those same members, and others, aren't old enough to remember that not too long ago the only "citizens" in most states permitted to carry were folks who intentionally signed up as "auxiliary" or "reserve" officers and business people who could show cause for a need to carry. CCW wasn't as universally legal as it is now and the change in laws and our culture are not recognized by many as being due to a lot of effort.
 
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and the change in laws and our culture are not recognized by many as being due to a lot of effort.

Count me as one of the ones that does recognize, and greatly appreciate, all of the work.

Its places like this that foster an intelligent discourse that leads to action.

For that, I am thankful.
 
I'm old enough to remember the GCA 1968. Albeit I was young, but that was the beginning of a long slide down for 2A gun rights, the pinnacle of which was the AWB, although more shall issue states were also popping up. It has steadily been getting better, and with Heller hopefully continue.

For a time it looked like we were going the way of Europe, Australia, and even Canada, but thank goodness the 2A seems to be the differentiator.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the publication that, a few years ago, printed an article that it was the duty of a Christian woman to submit to rape and even murder rather than commit the unspeakable sin of endangering her attacker's life? :scrutiny:

I can find no reference to that article. I was exposed to that religion at an early age through family members and never could embrace their philosophy but I'd seriously doubt that the CS religion would make such a blanket statement. Mind you they have some valid principles adopted back in the late 1800's through their founder that touted the healing powers of prayer over medical treatment (mind over matter if you will) that many Christian religions accept (ie: we'll pray for you/your recovery, etc). As in all religious dogmas there are valid points and stuff based purely on blind faith. The Monitor, back to my statement, is still considered one of the most unbiased periodicals still in print today. There article as referenced in the original post stands on it's own merit for journalist reporting/opinion.
 
FTA

"And when you're going to insist upon this in public spaces or shared spaces like a basketball game or a park, then you're really intruding into where other people get their personal sense of safety."

That's a pretty standard anti view, and it really goes to the heart of gun control. They would rather feel safe than be safe. And they don't mind make things less safe for you to preserve that feeling. I remember talking about gun control in a college class, and someone mentioned that they would feel really uncomfortable knowing if someone had a gun in the room, and that's why they shouldn't be allowed. Nevermind the physical benefit of being able to fend of a rapist or school shooter instead of waiting 7+ minutes for police to come clean up the scene. Her own feelings of being uncomfortable were enough to ban guns.

Concealed carry in school is one of the last big holdouts, and a pretty big deal to a lot of people. There are a lot of gun owner students who are disarmed for large portions of their day while at school, and sometimes even the car ride to and from. On the other hand, colleges are a big source of much left-wing indoctrination, so it doesn't seem likely that professors, and the young people who eat up what they feed them, will change their minds very soon. I think that inside a college, the population is skewed far more towards the anti end than most other areas of life. A handful of professors being given carte blanche authority to spew anti propaganda to young students, combined with the over reliance on "feeling" that many college students have makes schools a big roadblock to CCW.

I think that once concealed carry and even open carry on college campi is accepted and normal, we can finally say that gun culture has a real place in America once again.


Also FTA

"There's a kind of Second Amendment reconstructionism going on which has to do with Western individuality, freedom from coercion ... moving about and not having to explain your business to people,"

To me, that's the core of the United States. The freedom to do what you want, so long as you don't actually harm others, without having to explain yourself or limit yourself because it makes someone else feel bad or scared. Being your own person with your own mind and your own actions. Concealed carry, or even open carry, to me is a lot less about protection and more about my freedom to act how I want with no regard to the feelings of others. That may sound rude or callous, but in return I fully expect others to act how they want without regard to my feelings. I won't harm you, you don't harm me, and we can both just do what we want. Neither of us owes each other anything. Neither of us inherently obligated to the other.
 
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Why don't police departments sponsor "sell back" programs in order to get more guns on the street? They could sell military surplus and retired police handguns back to the taxpayers for $100 each, no questions asked. This would reduce crime.

What's your point?
 
I do have my "LTCF" in Pa. {license to carry firearm} My wife also has her's, though she does not carry.
I only found out 4 years ago that Pa changed the laws and has been a "shall issue" state for quite some time. I probably would have obtain one long ago.
 
Read the article. Not impressed with their tone.

CHL holder since '09.
 
hso remarked,

As to the topic, many of our members aren't of an age to have been of gun owning age during the AWB and don't have a solid grip on what that was like for us that were. Those same members, and others, aren't old enough to remember that not too long ago the only "citizens" in most states permitted to carry were folks who intentionally signed up as "auxiliary" or "reserve" officers and business people who could show cause for a need to carry. CCW wasn't as universally legal as it is now and the change in laws and our culture are not recognized by many as being due to a lot of effort.

Amen. I am still surprised now and again that so many younger folks think that the GCA 68 and the form 4473 is part of the normal state of affairs and "Everything Is As It Should Be."

I had a hard time breaking away from the notion that the National Firearms Act of the mid-1930s was also the Normal State Of Affairs.

I guess you can get used to anything if it creeps up on you slowly.

The CSM article is an indication that we are creeping toward normalcy.

Terry, 230RN

P.S. Thanks, Pilot! Bought my first handgun by selecting it, paying my money, and walking out with it.
 
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