Could push for gun control yield National Concealed Carry?

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Gun control advocates say: "Put it to an up or down vote"

If it went to up or down votes, this is what you would get:

No limit on magazines

No limit on assault rifles

Universal background check, but not between family members or those who have Concealed Carry Permit or Firearms Owners ID card

Universal Concealed Carry Reciprocity you get a concealed carry permit from one state you get to carry in any other state.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
 
I doubt it will happen. Very few people actually have concealed handgun licenses. My Tenn permit is good in about 40 states. Most of the states that do not honor it are those in the Northeast and California. Those are the regions of the country pushing for this gun control and there is no way they will 'compromise' for national reciprocity on pistol licenses. They were dead set against having cops carry in their states off duty.

If we got the background check deal, I would like to see Hughes machine gun ban repealed, the 'sporting purposes' clause repealed from GCA 68, AND national reciprocity on pistol licenses. But that won't happen. The gun control folks want it all and will say "Oh you can sell the gun to your brother, that is compromise".
 
It will be a bait-n-switch, trust me.

They will dangle the National CCW for them to say yes but later in 'committee' it will be taken out.

Do not trust them!!!

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"Universal Concealed Carry" as permitted by a Federal Gov't? No thanks.

UCC interstate at a federal level= federal control=registration card= poof-it's-gone.

Anything a government is powerful enough to give us, is powerful enough to take it away.
 
I would love to use my Oregon CHL in California!!! Particularly in Contra Costa County. That sheriff would crap his pants if he had to honor it.
 
I'd rather have them put national constutional carry up for a vote, but it already was, when the second amendment was voted and enacted.

Shall not be infringed... Not a whole lot of wiggle room on that.
 
No national gun anything! We've allowed them to take too much away from us already. This is the time to reverse the trend, not accelerate it.
 
Reids bill S649 seems to be the only one that stands a chance. Now that it's open for debate on the Senate floor, it is open for amendments. I don't know if it will go anywhere, but I sent a recommendation to both my Senators (And my representative in case it gets that far) for an amendment to mandate a national reciprocity on concealed carry licenses. If nothing else, it could be a "Poison pill" for Reids whole bill.
 
I doubt it. The previous strong set of folks for reciprocity will lose votes for the children. Although given what Chucky said - it would be quite amusing if it got through. Mikey and Chucky might have gun carrying Texans in their state. :eek::neener:
 
What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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Ideally, gun legislation reform would be the starting point -- such that laws which are ineffective or unenforceable are stricken prior to new legislation which must demonstrate immediate effectiveness on agreed issues or also be reformed. Yep, ideally... :rolleyes:
 
The problem with national carry or anything like it is that the feds could then make getting that federal CCW permit as hard as the hardest state. So, you could be have a chance at CCW in NJ or IL, but folks in KY or VA would just as tough a time getting theirs.

Besides that, there's no good federal firearms law. None. If RKBA can be restricted at all, and I'm not sure it legitimately can, it's NOT at the federal level.

No thanks. Bad plan. If you guys in the can't-get-CCW states and barely recognized reciprocity states want a fix, get it from your statehouses.
 
They can't force states like NY to accept CCW if they don't want it. If it's in the bill it will be struck down later by the courts. So if we accept the bad, then the good part will get tossed later as unconstitutional.
 
I agree with those who are wary of federal CCW permits.

I think more fruitful goals would include getting rid of protectionist laws like 922r, and ending the ban on Chinese imports. Possibly even repealing the Huges Amendment, although I think that would be a tough sell, especially in today's political climate.
 
I'd be wary of FEDERAL CCW permits, but I would be OK with them forcing states to recognize and honor other state's concealed carry permits (similar to drivers licenses) and leave the federal government on the sidelines for the most part. I guess a good exemption to add is for Vermont and Alaska residents- your drivers license also counts as a carry permit.

Great idea, and even better that it is amended into the bill. I have a feeling all the anti-gun supporters would quickly turn against this gun control bill if that was introduced.
 
I would be OK with them forcing states to recognize and honor other state's concealed carry permits(similar to drivers licenses)
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No federal law requires this. States do it voluntarily because it makes sense for them to do so.

Just reading someone's words "forcing states" makes me cringe.
 
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No federal law requires this. States do it voluntarily because it makes sense for them to do so.

Just reading someone's words "forcing states" makes me cringe.
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No, actually. States "agreed" to this when they ratified the Constitution.

Article. IV -Constitution for the United States of America

Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Section. 2.The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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Before you ask... states (even old common law) have always had police powers to regulate restrictions on the carrying of arms. So it will not fall under "Full faith, credit/Privileges Immunities clause. IMO, it falls under the individual states "police powers" and 10th Amendment restriction upon Congress.
 
I think a lot of people here have missed the point. From what I've taken from the bills is they will force reciprosity between states that issue 5 year CCW/CHL/CPLs - NOT ISSUE FEDERAL LICENSES. Guys, I'm having a hard time seeing the negative here! They're specifically inserting this as an incentive to the NRA and the Repubs in the House - why on earth would they offer something like this in the first place? - the biggest fear I have is the "bait and switch" that's been mentioned. Also, the worst it could do is "poison" the bill for the Antis.

And trust me, I'm a libertarian so the only good law is no law - but I think the addition of this particular amendment would dispel a TON of CCW rumors between states, which is a very good thing. Granted it adds 200% confusion to getting background checks :rolleyes:

Plus, if DiFi is trying to block it... You know it isn't bad for us ;)
 
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So... "Universal background checks, but we STILL don't trust you!" ... is that it?

This amendment won't get passed if it gets in the bill. It's a poison pill, plain and simple.

And... I'm ok with that. "Your bill fails along with mine" sounds like a compromise I can live with.
 
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Article. IV -Constitution for the United States of America

Section. 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.
Section. 2.The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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Then why do we have the big debate about same sex marriage in various states and the associated reciprocity issues? If the citation you provided governs a license to operate a motor vehicle, then why not a license to marry?
 
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