City Folk move to country and find out people hunt there...and they don't like it.

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There were hunters in those days that tool "sound shots" - shoot at a sound, and then go see if it was deer.
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We lost a couple of kids like that this year. The last one had his head blown off by his father who shot at the kid without verifying the target. I guess he finally learnt that was a bad idea.
 
RPVCYeman said:
My point was that it's an endless and inevitable process
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Please read the title I gave my first post. Do you see where there may have been a reason behind the wording of it?

I think we all understand urban sprawl. Taking us for a ride back into history to beginning of all mankind (we got this in elementary school) was meant to achieve what? That this somehow invalidates the complaints a lot of us have about what's happening to us in our small country towns today? Well thanks, I feel a lot better about it now. Man, I thought it was a unique occurrence in the history of the planet.

Just forget about it everyone. This has been going on since the beginning of time so be quiet about it. It's now all been explained to you and see, you really don't have anything to complain about. OK?
 
A friend of mine farms rare-breed cattle in a country area that's become popular with people who've moved out of the city. He has constant problems with people reporting his mistreatment of animals because he pushed a cow or it looks a bit dedraggled. The ex-urbanites are generally well-intentioned but ignorant, as well as being hard to educate about the realities of rural life.
 
My folks have a 400 yard range at there house. The have 76 acres in N. Idaho. Some IDIOT from Seattle, moves in and Calls the cops since they are shooting, at the range and animals on there property during hunting season. (OMG!!!!) Deputy came out and talked to my folks.

They did have a problem that had to be solved. The Deputy only could shoot at 200 yards at the County range and needed something longer. 400 yards was the perfect distance for practicing.

I love N. Idaho. The Seatlites have not said a word since.
 
Originally posted Grizzly Adams: Similar to a story that was in the news lately about a group of Muslims that banded together and bought a tract of farm land somewhere in the midwest near a working farm, built a community and Mosque and then started complaining about the smell of the farm. The farmer converted his farm into a PIG farm!
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So he went out of his way to make it extra offensive to them. Thats wonderful. :rolleyes: You find it funny that people insult Muslims? I agree that they were not the brightest for moving there. But to go and try to make it a personal attack on their religion is pretty sad. Whats even worse is that you find it funny.

Do you have any links by the way?
 
Regolith:

I'm guessing this has just about as much merit as several other anecdotal stories that are brought up here from time to time about people finding "bullets" on their property, and then trying to use an unfired cartridge as evidence.
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Have you really seen this happen? I find this hilarious. Link?
 
Hi Hopkin,

A lot of city people believe they are 'expert' in animal husbandry. It's a delusion that crosses state and national boundaries.

Dad used to have a picture of a guy hitting a pig with a shovel. Back in ancient times (mid 1970's) my uncle was loading hogs on a trailer using a shock prod and this PETA guy was just raising cain that shock prods were 'abuse.' My uncle had a rather perverse sense of humor so he told the guy to show him the humane method of getting the animals in the trailer. To make a long story short, after twenty minutes of trying to herd the intensely stubborn animal the guy lost his temper and started beating on. At which point Dad took the picture and my uncle 'humanely' escorted the PETA guy off the property. I'm told my uncle sent his copy to the PETA people headquarters with a strongly worded message that if they were going to abuse his livestock they should never return.

Further proof of Dad's wisdom in always carrying a .45 and a 35mm.


Selena
 
Our local range was closed because a developer built a group of fancy doctors houses nearby and pressured the land owners sister to stop renting us the property.
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If a developer built fancy doctors' houses near a range, then I bet the owner and his sister cried all of the way to the bank!

That's the real issue - regardless of other factors. Once it becomes feasible to build houses on land, the land value soars (compared to what a range can afford). When they start selling 1/4 acre (or smaller) lots for prices mesured in tens of thousands of dollars, it's hard for a range ti survive.

The problem with many/most non-shotgun shooting sports is that the projectiles involved can travel a very long way. If you don't own the land downrange for darn near every shot or AD that can be fired, then you are liable to be shut down.

There is a very nice club near my work. When it was founded, it was surrounded by (mostly empty) woods. Now it's all housing developments. That causes two problems:

  1. If you shoot over a berm (AD or not), you are very likley to send a bullet into someone's house or back yard.
  2. Since the range is now surrounded by expensive real estate the club has a very valuable asset.

So if someone does shoot over a berm and cause an injury, the club is probably going to be sued (in addition to the shooter).

As a result, the club has to be more and more careful.

Eventually, they will have to move. I don't see any way around it.

Mike
 
Have you really seen this happen? I find this hilarious. Link?
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I don't have any links, unfortunately, and I haven't actually seen it myself, but it gets brought up every once in a while on this forum. If you do a search, you'll probably find something.
 
Sounds to me like the people from the "more mature" communities are causing more problems than the hunters are. Property destruction, tresspassing, vandalism, and interfering with hunting...these are all crimes, idiotic and sometimes dangerous ones. Hunting isn't. These people moved into a community, they have no right to demand that other people change because they can't close their windows at night. Shotgun are not that loud from a distance, keep your windows closed and you will not wake up.
 
I don't know what everyone is so fired-up about on this thread. Quite a lot of the major oil producers are now warning about peak oil. In a few decades (maybe sooner) it's going to be too expensive to heat those McMansions, never mind commuting into town from them. Plus the cost of food is going to soar since our entire civilization is built on petroleum. Bottom line: the population is going to drop, hopefully slowly, and what population remains isn't going to be moving out into the country where food distribution is hard and expensive. The only people let living in the country are going to the be ones who raise the food. Everyone else is going to stay in town.

Times, they are a changin', unless someone makes cold fusion work that is. :D
 
Tecumseh said:
You find it funny that people insult Muslims? ... But to go and try to make it a personal attack on their religion is pretty sad. Whats even worse is that you find it funny.
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You are correct, Tecumseh. Attacks based on religion are not very high road.

Tecumseh said:
Do you have any links by the way?
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I would need to see some links to believe this story. At least in NC, pig farming is pretty specialized. I think the big pork companies actually own the pigs, and pay the farmers to raise them. I don't recall the details, but I think it takes specialized buildings and waste handling equipment. A farmer might switch for economic reasons, but a farmer who made that kind of expenditure for spite is not going to be farmer for long. Even a successful, relatively lucrative farm operates on pretty small margins. An expensive decision made out of spite might very well cost you the farm.

Mike
 
RPCVYemen: Why let facts and reality get in the way of a chance to take a jab at Muslims?

Originally posted by BobMCG: Please read the title I gave my first post. Do you see where there may have been a reason behind the wording of it?

I think we all understand urban sprawl. Taking us for a ride back into history to beginning of all mankind (we got this in elementary school) was meant to achieve what? That this somehow invalidates the complaints a lot of us have about what's happening to us in our small country towns today? Well thanks, I feel a lot better about it now. Man, I thought it was a unique occurrence in the history of the planet.

Just forget about it everyone. This has been going on since the beginning of time so be quiet about it. It's now all been explained to you and see, you really don't have anything to complain about. OK?
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I dont think you do understand urban sprawl. Your complaints are that people move into your neighborhood and try to move? What if they are moving because they were unhappy with their last place? What about the fact that if your so considered with who moves in, you could buy the adjacent property? Are you angry that some people are able to buy land and try to make their dream? Who cares? Are you against democracy? Because what happens is the majority rules in this country. And the majority may not like your methods.

Just as many people call the police when they see something suspicious, hearing gunshots and calling the police is just the neighborly thing to do. Especially if your unfamiliar with it.

Can anyone gurantee with 100% certainty that any stray shots will not land on their property?
 
Stupid city people. When I first moved out to my current place, I did duck when I heard someone shooting on their property, since it was the first time I heard gunshots in the area. Now I shoot on my own property. If the city slickers cannot handle country life, they need to move back to the city, where they can pray that 9-1-1 will save their butts in time.
 
What about the fact that if your so considered with who moves in, you could buy the adjacent property?
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There is a lot of truth to this.

I don't know if it is correct or not, but the older I have gotten, I think that if you don't own the land, you don't get much say in what happens to it. If you had nothing but woods and ticks down range, but you didn't own the land, you don't have much right to determine what happens down range. If someone puts a housing development there, you may not be able to shoot safely.

It's hard when you are used to using land you don't own a certain way, and that land you don't own changes ownership, and you activities are curtailed. But you didn't own it in the first place.

The first big battle I remember that made this clear to me was actually between cross-country skiers and snowmobilers. In that place, cross country skiers had some high pastures to themselves for decades. Then snowmobiles came along, and people who couldn't ski worth a darn could get up to those high pastures and "ruin" them.

I realized at that time that there was not partilcuar right side of that case - both groups had "rights". The reality is that the cross country skiers didn't have any more or less rights to the high pastures than the snowmobilers.

If you have been using a large area you dont't own as a "down range" area inadvertanly or advertantly, and someone else buys the propertly and builds a house there, you don't have the right to use that land as a downrange area anymore. That's life.

If you want to stop them, buy the land. It's that simple.

People have the right to buy houses, and the right to register to vote, and vote, etc. And they can vote for things they think will help keep their family safe.

It's also true that hunting near a housing developmetn is unsafe. That's true wether the housing development is filled with city slickers or Davt Crockett's kin. A stray doesn't ask how long you've lived in the area.

Mike
 
Danged Hunters & Shooters

Heck, I moved up here to Idaho so I could hear some shooting.

Ain't heard nuthin' go bang except at the range!

Course, Bob Smith (Fernan Rod & Gun Club pres), bought the farm right off the end of the gun range. Just to prevent urban encroachment (and to have a cool place to retire.)

Imagine.

Waking up most days and hearing the music of gunfire just over your East fence line.

Put a smile on your face for sure.
 
Course, Bob Smith (Fernan Rod & Gun Club pres), bought the farm right off the end of the gun range. Just to prevent urban encroachment (and to have a cool place to retire.)
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That's the right answer!

Mike
 
Tecmseh said:
Your complaints are that people move into your neighborhood and try to move?
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Say what?

I'm not against anyone trying to fulfill a dream and I don't believe I indicated so.
I believe what I said (to paraphrase) was that some transplants feel the natives of an area should change what they've been doing for many generations just to accommodate them because it's not what they're used to. IE: Hunting and shooting.

Go buy the land around me? I don't recall stating that was a problem. As a matter of fact, it's not.

I simply know what's been happening in the Adirondack Park in general over the years due to the fact I've lived here for 52yrs out of my 52yrs.
 
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