"Clip" vs. Magazine CLARITY....

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3fgburner,
You are correct. I have been out of school for far too long to remember all this stuff. BTW go to gun broker dot com and you'll see clips as a section and not magazines. I plan on sending them an email to let them know that I am banning them until they use the correct terminology. OK, who's with me?!:evil:
 
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You order a M1 carbine magazine, you get the detachable box magazine.
You order a M1 carbine clip, you get the stripper used to load the magazine.

Clarity comes from knowing and using accurate terminology.

But we are dealing with news media that blur the difference
between self-defense and vigilantism. They are ignorant and they
have a pre-set agenda, especial NYC based media.
 
I know these threads tend to get annoying to some, but I see some usefullness to them. Non gun owners don't know proper terminology and that's understandable. I doubt we'll ever educate them for the same reason that I don't know the proper terminology of jet engine internal parts. It's just not something I'm into.

The useful aspect of these threads is to educate the gun owners who don't know the difference. In the last clip/mag thread that just went through here a couple days ago, we have a gun owner insisting that magazines are indeed correctly called clips. Many of our own are ignorant of the terminology, and there's nothing wrong with trying to explain it, at least to the ones who WANT to learn. There will always be the ones who don't want to know, or don't care, and that's fine too. To each their own.

Knowledgeable gun owners pass on a lot of this knowledge to new shooters, which in turn helps reduce their confusion as they grow in the sport. It might seem nitpicky, but words do have meaning afterall. It's a lot like the difference between a tire and a wheel.
 
Whenever I'm having a conversation with someone who is using incorrect terminology, I simply continue using the correct terminology. Usually they catch on or ask me about the different terms, allowing me an opportunity to educate them.

+1 on this. i find it to be the best balance of maintaining my sanity, not coming across as a jerk, and slowly educating them by repetition of the correct terminology.

good call. and it works for more than just "clip" versus "magazine".



...this coming from the guy who refuses to capitalize on the internet...
 
Any time I here a clip nazi spouting off, as if their useless firearm vocabulary trivia is some profound bit of knowledge, I imagine a guy who marches around in his underwear late at night singing,

This is my weapon;
This is my gun. (Grabs crotch)

Similar useless trivia abounds regarding "gun" vs. firearm, pistol vs. revolver etc.

We know that some drill instructor drilled that into your hard head. (Me too!) But nobody cares, really.

Do you still call the bathroom a head or latrine? :scrutiny:
 
Biker said:
Well Hawk, my main carry gun is a Taurus 450 which just happens to hold 5 rounds of 45 LONG COLT!
Got a problem with that!!??

I'd be uncomfortable claiming .45 Long Colt is a misnomer starting from the time that these people started using the term.

It seems most firms that market both the .45ACP and .45 Colt adopt the .45LC convention. Those that do not market a .45ACP call a .45 Colt a .45 Colt. An exception is USFA which has maintained proper terminology even after marketing a .45ACP.

But since COLT uses ".45 Long Colt" on their SAA, I'd find the argument that Colt defines the term compelling. It is, after all, their intellectual property as it were.

Colt can change ".45 Colt" to ".45 Long Colt" with impunity, but even if Mec-Gar, McCormick, Metalform, Tripp and Wilson suddenly started calling "magazines" "clips" it wouldn't redefine the terms.

On a tangential note, when historical references are made to Wyatt Earp "pistol whipping" somebody, what type of semi-auto was he using?

...just my humble effort at thread veer...
 
And I just love those old advertisements for the "Colt Automatic Pistol", don't you?

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
 
Hawk...

Good Lord... didn't ask for a damn book...a simple yes or no would've done! BTW, I've never "pistol whipped" anyone, but I have "pistol whupped" a man or two. Heh heh...:)

Biker
 
Biker said:
Good Lord... didn't ask for a damn book...a simple yes or no would've done! BTW, I've never "pistol whipped" anyone, but I have "pistol whupped" a man or two. Heh heh..

No prob - I had it memorized from the six page beating I took on another forum.
Rather educational but almost made me miss the old "mag" v "clip" days.
:)
 
Jim Watson said:
And I just love those old advertisements for the "Colt Automatic Pistol", don't you?

Possibly related, but I have a clear memory of at least one print media "back when" defining ".45ACP" as ".45 Automatic Centerfire Pistol". One assumes they had issues with Colt.

With no way of checking it out, and my dealer believing it as well, I went about a dozen years believing "C" meant "Centerfire".

How low-rent is that?
:eek:
 
"when historical references are made to Wyatt Earp "pistol whipping" somebody, what type of semi-auto was he using?"
A Glock 7 - haven't you ever read your history books? Gaston Glock distributed some two hundred of them to top-notch LEO folks. Wyatt got number 83. I got number 40. The others... there's a list, somewhere. I'll check my records.
 
Here you go:
clipmagazine0491xo5.jpg
 
Actually, Count, I rather liked your picture with the stripper clips as well. Good work and an easily understood explanation.

The "spring" thing didn't work as well for me personally as I have several hundred Garand clips and they're pretty "springy". It's the springy part that keeps the boo-litz from falling out. :D
 
By anonymous poet

A clip is not a magazine
Nor is a mag a clip
And a grip is not a stock
Nor is a stock a grip

I don't mean to nitpick
But improvement could be seen
If we could ever bring ourselves
To say exactly what we mean!
 
I never, under any circumstances, use the terms interchangeably. However, there are plenty of people who have forgotten more about guns and shooting than I'll ever know who call magazines "clips". They're still wrong, at least technically, but I'm not going to correct them. Nor would I ever correct a fellow THR member on this topic. I'll gently correct non-shooters if the situation is appropriate. In the heat of an impassioned argument is not an appropriate situation.

If the only only argument that you can bring to bear in discussion with an anti critical of large-capacity magazines is that they're not called "clips", it's time to develop some better debate skills. On the other hand, if a friend refers to a magazine as a clip, I might mention that technically it's called a magazine, but that the distinction between the definitions of the two terms might seem somewhat obscure, and then return to the subject at hand. If they are interested in knowing the difference, great. If not, no big deal. It's a real technical distinction but it lacks much political or legal significance, and isn't worth pursuing too far in many cases.

On the other hand, the distinctions between, say, semi and fully automatic, or between assault weapons (an obtuse and largely meaningless legal fiction that disappeared, at least at the federal level, in 2004) and assault rifles are quite important, and I'll politely but firmly correct anyone who thinks they are synonymous.
 
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Language becomes useless when nobody cares about using it correctly.

Not quite, but misconceptions do abound.

I can't believe I'm posting in this.... IIRC, I think I skipped the other 200 or so
Clip vs. Mag threads.

If you know the correct term, then use it.
If you are training someone, then use it.

If a person uses the incorrect term when speaking to you then politely correct
them if the sprit moves you. Do not be rude or elitist about it, we're supposed to
be helping one another.
 
I only use improper terms around people who know I know better but who don't know that I know they want me to know how much they know.

Always be correct and direct around new shooters.
e.g. I don't call going poop "heaving a havana" etc. around my 5 year old.
I'll do it around deer camp.

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In otherwords, I use the terms "clip, bullets, gun" around those who I feel are uptight, self aggrandizing, blowhards. Brings 'em down a peg or two. Lets me laugh to myself while using a little self-depricating humor.

Picture a cartoon with two little gnomes with big hammers pounding each other into the ground. Sometimes I'm one of those gnomes.

Your sole purpose in life is my entertainment.
Soakers


Now, if I could just get and keep a shooting buddy...............
 
I love this stuff. It reminds me how easy and carefree my life truly is.

This is what I found in the OED. (The OED is the decriptive dictonary. Webster is the proscriptive dictionary. If you don't know the difference, you had a girlfriend in highschool.) Have fun with it.

clip1

• noun 1 a flexible or spring-loaded device for holding an object or objects together or in place. 2 a piece of jewellery that can be fastened on to a garment with a clip. 3 a metal holder containing cartridges for an automatic firearm.
• verb (clipped, clipping) fasten or be fastened with a clip or clips.

magazine

• noun 1 a periodical publication containing articles and illustrations. 2 a regular television or radio programme comprising a variety of items. 3 a chamber holding a supply of cartridges to be fed automatically to the breech of a gun. 4 a store for arms, ammunition, and explosives.
— ORIGIN French magasin, from an Arabic word meaning ‘storehouse’.

— ORIGIN Old English.

pedant /pedd’nt/

• noun a person excessively concerned with minor detail or with displaying technical knowledge.
— DERIVATIVES pedantic adjective pedantically adverb pedantry noun.
— ORIGIN French pédant, probably related to PEDAGOGUE


Joe
 
The misuse has come from both sides.

The day of the shooting, I turned on AM radio to the conservative talk radio channel. Sean Hannity was on and I remember him saying, "Ok, so the latest word is that up to 50 shots were fired from what appears to handguns..... now, as somebody well schooled in the usage of firearms, I know that he must have brought a number of clips with him to enable this."

(or something around those lines). I smacked myself in the forehead, but decided it was not the right time to call in to correct him. Too much bad news for one day to worry about little details..
 
OH, and while I'm usually a fan of Hannity, comments like that have me feeling like, "AND uhhhhh WaHt cOLor is de SkY Otday......... I like chocolate milk.... AHHHHHHHH." (cartoon reference)
 
Any time I here a clip nazi spouting off, as if their useless firearm vocabulary trivia is some profound bit of knowledge, I imagine a guy who marches around in his underwear late at night singing,...

In the end, you may call them what they want to call them. You may call a lion a tiger, it only makes you look ignorant (not stupid! Ignorant is another word that most folks don't seem to understand the meaning. Another is Nazi.).
As others have said, the best course is to continue to use the correct term and eventually the other person will catch on.
Or go singing into the night...:neener:
 
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