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He did a good job. Nothing to second guess.

The truth is that honking... is the type of thing that escalates these situations
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No don't listen to this. That is a silly "blame the victim" approach. I don't advocate road-rage or flipping people off, but if someone almost hit me I would honk too to alert them I'm there. It sounds like these punks could have been set off by the wrong look at a stop light. If we have reached the point in our society that "you have it coming" if you honk, then that is pretty sad.

Ironically, these tough-guys have no idea how close they came to being lit-up if they tried to drag him from the car. Let them remain blissfully ignorant- someday they'll mess with the wrong person whether it be another gang member, the cops, or a CCW. :evil:
 
The truth is that honking... is the type of thing that escalates these situations
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Not so. Honking does not escalate these situations. An idiot enraged for being publicly outed as an idiot is what escalates these situations.
 
No don't listen to this. That is a silly "blame the victim" approach.
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This is a simple-survival of the fittest/smartest approach. Being a human and not an animal means you must use reason rather than impulse. Honking when it doesn't prevent an accident but to proclaim your anger is in violation of the California Vehicle Code
California Vehicle Code 27001. (a) The driver of a motor vehicle when reasonably necessary
to insure safe operation shall give audible warning with his horn.
(b) The horn shall not otherwise be used, except as a theft alarm
system which operates as specified in Article 13 (commencing with
Section 28085) of this chapter.
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how about Nevada where this happened;
NRS 484.607 Horns and other warning devices.

2. A person driving a motor vehicle shall, when reasonably necessary to ensure safe operation, give audible warning with his horn, but shall not otherwise use the horn when upon a highway.
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This was as admitted by the OP not to "ensure safe opperation" as it was not to prevent an accident, etc. It was to communicate snger to the idiot drivers. When carrying a firearm you should work to prevent incidents-this means not honking in anger, cutting people off, tailgating, etc. It's why God gave us a brain and not just brawn.
 
Just realized that honking doesn't "escalate" the situation it just gives the idiot a target for his rage. Why make yourself a target?
 
Driving a truck has it's privileges, driving a truck that has a few mods...oohh baby. Computer, clutch, turbo, intake/exhaust and a 2" lift with 35's on nice wheels...a large "puff" of black smoke and I'm gone, 450HP/929Ft/lbs The black beast is good. Things get too dicey, the road armor bumper did a heckava job on the silverado that pulled in front of me, not high speed, but his truck needed work, my bumper needed touchup paint.

02 Dodge 2500, Cummins, 6-speed with 12 +1 XD45 for decoration :)
 
Well Done

I too feel you did well.

As for the comments about cutting off racers and smiling at them.
Yes, you have a truck. Yes, you have a CHL. But, remember those
other innnocent bystanders all around you that may not be so fortunate.

We must be the sheep dogs, to fight off the wolves, AND also to protect the
sheep by our action/non-action.
 
I would like to respond to some of the posts. First it may not have appeared as such in the way I origionally posted but I did not honk "in anger". I was honking as I was braking to avoid being hit. I was well within the Nevada statute that was provided by one poster. That is all that started this. As for the person who stated that innocent people may have been involved by me jumping the curb, making good speed away. How many innocent people might have been involved had this turned into a runnng demolition derby if I had to ram my way out? Or if this had turned into a gun battle??

I origionally postd so that others could learn from my experiance and Thank You to those that understood.
For those that have choosen instead to second guess and read things into this I have 2 things to say. #1 is that I hope you never find yourself in a similar situation and #2 is if you do, please let all of us know how it turned out.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk about that last part but it is easy to sit back and critique something after the fact. When things are happening as fast as they did you are not going to be able to do everything perfect. I know I for one will never second guess someone again.
 
Whoever said honking escalates the problem. To me thats complete BS. I guess now we're supposed to turn our heads away and ignore the problem? Criminals and Idiots get so much privileged its not even funny. Oh just leave them alone, you don't want to escalate the problem. You see people throwing clothes on the floor at stores turn away its not your problem, etc etc. That is why our Country is declining. We are just turning our heads away because we're affraid to stand up.


Honking the horn is a warning. Flashing lights is a warning. Nothing wrong with doing it to someone who needs that warning.
 
I got chased for no reason by some idiot too:
http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2969

This happened to me this evening:

I turn left out of my neighborhood, onto the 35mph, double yellow line road. I may have cut it a little close pulling in front of someone, but if they hadn't been speeding, it wouldn't have been an issue. Seriously, it wasn't close at all ( I had my 6-year-old nephew in the car with me, so I was taking it easy). But that's the only thing I can come up with to explain this moron's actions.

He runs up on my rear bumper and then weaves like he is going to pass me over the double yellow, but oncoming traffic prevented it. About 1/4 mile later, we come to the stop sign at Kellogg Creek Rd. I turn left and so does he. Kellogg Creek is another 35mph double yellow line road.

I'm going the speed limit and he's behind me, but not close at all.

This guy is driving an older Crown Vic. It's green with a missing passenger-side mirror, a spot light, an antenna on the trunk and a "thiin blue line" plate on the front bumper. (All the signs of a wanna-be cop, if you asked me)

Suddenly, he zooms up to me, passes me across the double yellow, swerves in front of me and slows down. Great, he cuts me off then slows down, I've seen that plenty of times.

Except he keeps slowing down. He stops in the middle of our lane and I see his door start to open. I stop behind him, check that my rear view is clear and immediately start backing up. I back up to the closest driveway, turn around and start heading in the other direction.

When I see that he has turned around and is following me, I dial 911.

I give them my location, direction and describe the crazy guy following me in as much detail as I can. I'm heading west on Kellogg Creek towards Hwy 92, obeying the speed limit, at this point. He's following, but not closely. It looks like he is on his phone or talking into a hand held radio.

I get to Hwy 92 and stop, signalling to turn left onto 92 eastbound. I'm still on the line with 911, updating my location and direction. I turn left and realize that he has to wait for traffic before he can follow me. As soon as he is out of view behind me, I speed up and get around a couple of curves. I take a right onto a residential street, go about .5 mile and turn again. At this point, I'm pretty sure I've lost him.

I keep moving through this neighborhood for a few minutes, then head back to 92. I get back on 92 going west, opposite my original direction of travel for this errand.

911 asks if I want to speak with a deputy, I say no as I have gotten away from the maniac. They say they have put out a BOLO for his vehicle. I thank them, hang up and finally start to breathe again.

So...that was my fun evening.

I have NO idea what set this crazy dude off, but I wasn't going to sit in the middle of the street behind his stopped car and find out.
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Well then if the honking was justified/legally done, that voids most of my statement.

Yes idiots will do things unprovoked-but why draw their wreckless behavior toward you? Not making yourself a target is very different from "ignoring the problem" I have a family and want to get home to them. By avoiding vehicular confrontation I have a better chance of getting home. If I get in a similar situation I would to do what it takes to save my hide-I think the OP did a great job of that. My whole point is that preventative actions are better than solutions.
 
Not Quite that bad

Quote: As for the comments about cutting off racers and smiling at them.
Yes, you have a truck. Yes, you have a CHL. But, remember those
other innnocent bystanders all around you that may not be so fortunate.

We must be the sheep dogs, to fight off the wolves, AND also to protect the
sheep by our action/non-action.
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I like the "sheep dogs part" (German Shepherds in my case) but, I don't "cut them off", rather, like in my flying, SA is at work all the time, and I drive by the mirrors alot. And when I see (depth perception) 2 street racers coming, actually, only 1 most of the time, as I said, they're racing thru congested traffic, I just time it right, not to cut them off, but to merely block their path, as not let them ram into the car/s ahead of me full of little kids, family, etc, if their racing skills, lack (as I know they do in such conditions) As the, my, Bronco can take a rear hit, no problem, if it ever happens. But as I said, never has, nor has it made for an accident. I do it with caution for everyone concerned around me.

Kinda like the old saying: "why do you carry a gun?" Same deal, "can't carry a cop with me."


And yes, when they flip me off, show their gang signs etc., I just hold up my hand over my forehead, in a O mode, for both zero in the head, and loser.

There is something about a 30yr age gap that they seem to understand, least in my case.

Try it, it works well to get the message back.. L-O


LS
 
First off, thankfully you are ok and were able to get away without having to resort to using your CCW.

While this woudn't have helped or been any use in your situation, when driving I won't even pull even with other cars. I stay back about a half a length in order to avoid eye contact, blasting stereos, etc. For any number of reasons, people are just not trustworthy and I am careful.

Again, am very glad you managed to get out of the situation intact.
 
Glad you came out of it okay. You did what I would have done.

I, too, am firmly in the give-em-the-horn camp. I'd rather call someone on an @sshole move than endorse the idea that they can do whatever they like, safety of others be damned. The next person they cut off might be an inexperienced driver who swerves into the oncoming lane to avoid them.
 
Job well done. It sounds like these guys were looking for trouble if a honk gets them that upset. I'm glad that it was only a few of them and not the whole gang. Once again, IMHO, Good Job!
 
For what its worth.............(SC)

Folks,

You may want to check the statutes in your particular area on what constitutes a lethal [life & death] situation.

Here in SC, ........"two or more in concert, constitutes (at least) 2nd degree
lynching..........." yes, a lethal threat. If you can "reasonably" articulate to a jury why you did what you did, and that a rational person would have thought and reacted in a like manner, then you did the right thing.

Under the circumstances, I think you did the right thing. Any defensive move that saves your ass is prudent.

Remember: The only person who can take the best care of you is "YOU".

HiVelocity in SC:)
 
horn usage

:when resonably nessesary to insure safe operation:
When someone cuts you off it is nessesary to blow horn to warn others
of unsafe operator!!

Inocent bystanders can be hurt by idiot poser racers
Theirfor blow your horn to warn them also!!
 
I am not going to enter the debate about whether the horn was justified in this particular case, but in general, many of these gang-banger types seem to take the horn as an invitation to battle, an act that their machismo will not allow to go unanswered. So, if you use the horn, for whatever reason, be ready to deal with what follows. My small city is half-surrounded by a larger city's third-world neighborhoods, and dealing with this type is a regular occurrence. (FWIW, I wear a badge for that larger city's PD.) I, too, have adopted the jump-the-curb escape strategy, driving a Jeep Wrangler for both high clearance and nimbleness. And, yes, keep your handguns holstered while "high-performance" driving; reference the FBI shootout with Platt and Mattix to see what happens to unholstered handguns when vehicles start bumping together.
 
Am I the only one round here who thinks it's stupid that I have to wreck my truck, accept threats of violence and have my life made miserable just so some jerk kids can get their kicks?
 
Am I the only one round here who thinks it's stupid that I have to wreck my truck, accept threats of violence and have my life made miserable just so some jerk kids can get their kicks?
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No, it is stupid. Around here cops have been crushing cars used for illegal street racing. They are finding an illegal part, or a "stolen" part and condemn the car to death. I think the got the idea from the ATF. The kids who do this stuff get culled from the population one way or another. Jail, death, etc. That is why I made the point a month ago that the best way to not get you car wrecked etc. is to avoid it. Just like ccw'ers have to not pick fights, try to deescalate situations, etc. so should the responsible drivers. These punk kids are out trying to prove that they are macho by doing stupid stuff in their car. A few years back some local gangs were driving at night with their lights off, anyone that kindly flashed them to let them know got shot at. Most around here don't do flash anymore.

I have been rethinking my small car approach since the thread started. I saw a Miata cut off an F250 and clip it. The Miata lost the battle big time, spun through multiple lanes of traffic and was totally destroyed. The driver walked away-which surprised me, figured he was dead.
I decided that since I spend close to 700 hours on the road each year eventually my little German car could wind up like that Miata (but better looking) So now I'm looking to get a Ram, Dakota, Silverado, or F150. No rice trucks for me. If only VW imported a full sized truck...
 
kungfuhippie said:
A few years back some local gangs were driving at night with their lights off, anyone that kindly flashed them to let them know got shot at.
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That's been going around for years and I don't think it's ever been true.
 
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