Cnbc remington hit job

[Maverick223]

Wow, it sure seems that Big Green has the PR folks swarming all the forums ...they must be 'scurd...as they should be.

 

[taliv]

yeah, Maverick. And so far, reverse lookups of the IP addresses of all the new members with 1 post that links to remington's damage-control flash monstrosity... resolve to advertising or media companies.

Laura was at least kind enough to disclose some affiliation with the company. The ones with posts like

Go to www.remington700.tv i found the website very informative

are frankly so embarrassingly obviously shills that I left the posts instead of deleting them, per our policy against drive-by-posters that clearly have no intention to participate in the discussion.

 

[Tim the student]

Wow, it sure seems that Big Green has the PR folks swarming all the forums

Sure does. Hmm, wonder why. They did make a cute website though.

 

[Maverick223]

are frankly so embarrassingly obviously shills that I left the posts instead of deleting them, per our policy against drive-by-posters that clearly have no intention to participate in the discussion.

Agreed, it just serves to prove that they have a major issue on their hands. Don't get me wrong, I like Remington (as I believe most other folks here do), but they need to make a few things right and it appears that they waited a bit too long to do so.

On a brighter note, this could be just the change that I was looking for...Remington may be bankrupted only to rise from the ashes a better, stronger company with improved quality standards.

 

[Robert J McElwain]

How's this for a possible Remington solution scenario?

Remington declares chapter 11 bankruptcy. Then they offer a replacement trigger or "fix it" kit for a nominal handling charge. They wait some period of time and come out of bankruptcy.

They're the only ones that are happy.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

goldberj said...

Hi, jmr40. I do digital work for Remington, and hope you continue to feel comfortable using Remington firearms. All firearms should be properly maintained and adjusted only by a qualified gunsmith. If you have any concerns about your Remington firearm, have it inspected by a qualified gunsmith before use.

Laura Lizabe said...

Hello,
I do some digital work for Remington. If you're looking for a credible source, check out Remington's response to CNBC's program: http://www.remington700.tv

Thank you,
Laura

So I take it that Remington has sent out an email to their digital people to go around to the gun forums to post responses. Otherwise, what are the chances that two people who do digital work for Remington would all of a sudden take a sudden interest in gun forums for which they have never taken an interest previously and would all of a sudden decide to start posting on the very same issue in the very same thread?

LOL, I think Remington should have done damage control long before this.

 

[robertbartsc]

Fact: Poor gun handling is responsible for 99.9% of accidents. If the owners of the M700 guns that were involved in more than 2 dozen accidents had pointed the muzzle in a safe direction, we would not be discussing a controversial CNBC program that slams Remington.

Unfortunately, some people are complacent or just do dumb unsafe things with guns.

Yeh, the Barber women may have had a rifle that discharged without a trigger pull, but why was the muzzle pointed at a house trailer at the time? (CNBC did not discuss this in a totally fair mannor IMO.) Why did the guy who lost his leg point the muzzle at his anckle?

Is there a dangerous situation with the design of the Walker triggger that should have resulted in a recall?

Apparently, yes. Would this have prevented all 24 or so accidents with the M700? Probably not.

 

[mboylan]

Well if people monkey around with the sear engagement screw without knowing what they are doing or adjust the screws in the wrong order, yeah the gun will go off when you close the bolt.

If you don't know what you're doing, take it to a gunsmith.

 

[mboylan]

Be aware of your target and what is beyond - always. A gun is always loaded, keep it pointed in a safe direction.

She broke all the fundamental laws of gun safety.

 

[Maverick223]

So I take it that Remington has sent out an email to their digital people to go around to the gun forums to post responses.

No doubt, and this is only the tip of the iceberg, I have seen several other recent members posting similar propaganda on other forums.

As viewed: here, and here (post no. 6), and here, and here, and here, and here, and here (post no. 12), and here, and here (post no. 14), and here (pg. 3, post no. 2), here, here (pg. 1, last post), even here (post no. 15)...eh, i'm tired of searching, I think yawl get the trend here.

LOL, I think Remington should have done damage control long before this.

Yep, too little, too late. In this age information travels quickly, and that can be a great marketing tool, or PR nightmare...you decide?

 

[robertbartsc]

...not all bankruptcies are reorganizations under Chapter 11 where the companies emerge after welching on their duty to pay liabilities and then prosper once again. Some bankruptcies are liquidations under Chapter 7 were the company sells a few assets and just goes away (Pam Am Airlines, is the best liquidation example, I suppose.)

The link to the Remington site here by Laura above is interesting but largely self serving. Yeh, we know about the company history, the old buildings, and that the M700 can be used to shoot nasty big lions. Is this relevant to the safety issue at hand?

The discussion of the police report showing the careless gun handling that resulted in a womens death in her home and the short shaft this situation was given by CNBC was more compeling IMO.

 

[Six]

re: http://www.remington700.tv

*waves hand*

This is not the safety problem you're looking for.

 

[Leaky Waders]

Remington products have become 'kit guns' nowadays...870's should be shipped with a dowel and steel wool so the consumer can debur the chamber and 700's should be shipped disassembled so the consumer can just swap out to another trigger or safety before firing.

It's ridiculous and even moreso that it is blindly backed by yellow and green brand loyalty.

The VP of Remington was on the nra link before the cnbc even aired!

If these things happened to rossi or some other less popular maker then everyone would be boycotting etc...but this remington brand loyalty is pretty remarkable.

For me and my household, the only remington products we'll be buying in the future will be corelokts, if that.

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

why did remington feel the need to go to the Xmark pro trigger?

 

[atblis]

Laura Lizabe is more or less a spammer.

laura lizabe August 17, 2010 at 11:31 am

Hi Everyone,
I do some web work for GM and thought it might be helpful to let you all know about the...

and

I do digital work for the US Mint and wanted to let those interested know about...

I quit looking after that. Post should probably be nuked on principle.

 

[Maverick223]

Laura Lizabe is more or less a spammer. [see quotes above] I quit looking after that. Post should probably be nuked on principle.

Wow, didn't realize it was that bad...looks like they are posters for the highest bidder. [shakes head]

 

[Art Eatman]

What would mess up the spammers, maybe, would be if we just quit posting about the deal.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Remington products have become 'kit guns' nowadays...870's should be shipped with a dowel and steel wool so the consumer can debur the chamber and 700's should be shipped disassembled so the consumer can just swap out to another trigger or safety before firing.

You noticed that!?!

What would mess up the spammers, maybe, would be if we just quit posting about the deal.

We no afraid of no stinking spammers! lol

 

[General Lee]

A gun should never be loaded and pointed anywhere near a person. Even if a gun is unloaded it should never be pointed at a person. I learned this before I was given a bb gun when I was 7.

People may have to go through commen sense training before handling weapons. Especially before letting their kids handle weapons.

 

[Keb]

Note:

Rifle Basix offers a $39 safety fix kit for the 700!! Hmmmm? Why would they do this instead of sell their $120-160 dollar triggers?

http://www.riflebasix.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24&selectOpts=1&products_id=203

 

[Maverick223]

Rifle Basix offers a $39 safety fix kit for the 700!! Hmmmm? Why would they do this instead of sell their $120-160 dollar triggers?

Demand! BTW, I bet it is pretty high right now.

 

[HOWARD J]

Back in the early 70's my 700 fired when I pushed the safety off.
I did not take it up with Rem.
I sold the gun to a gunsmith---He knew it had a problem.
I loved that gun until I found how dangerous it was---it had to go////////////
I don't worry about Rem. anymore--too damn old to go hunting///////////////

 

[52grain]

I posted earlier today that I would gladly buy all those Model 700s that suddenly unsafe on the cheap. I just remembered the debacle with the semi-auto 17 hmrs where they only offered a $250 voucher to replace a $500 rifle.

I've changed my opinion on Remington. I'll still buy their used guns provided that I am in the market for one, it's in good shape, and the price is right, but I will not buy anymore of their new (edit) guns. Their customer service is atrocious.

It's scary to think of all of the good American gun companies that are owned by Cerberus.

 

[52grain]

Rifle Basix offers a $39 safety fix kit for the 700!! Hmmmm? Why would they do this instead of sell their $120-160 dollar triggers?

Economics, there's demand for a relatively cheap fix so someone's going to make one and profit from it. Rifle Basix apparently figured that they were in a position to make one and they may as well get some of that money.

 

[Maverick223]

I've changed my opinion on Remington. I'll still buy their used guns provided that I am in the market for one, it's in good shape, and the price is right, but I will not buy anymore of their used guns.

So will you, or won't you buy their used rifles? BTW, even exclusive of the safety issue, their CS and overall workmanship has been pretty darn poor for years now. I would be reluctant to purchase ANY of their recent firearms (particularly sight-unseen).