Cocked and Locked

[NonConformist]

Its one of the safest guns to carry in the world

Not only does it have a grip safety, it has a manual safety, both which have to be engaged(or disengaged as it were) for it to fire, and then you still have to pull the trigger

 

[kcshooter]

I know of at least two accidents with condition 2. The problem with hammer-dropping systems is that the M1911 has no way to take the firing pin out of the loop. A slip can cause an ND.

And carelessness caused the slip. So the real culprit of these ND is carelessness, not a flaw in the gun's design, nor an "accident".

 

[Vern Humphrey]

And carelessness caused the slip. So the real culprit of these ND is carelessness, not a flaw in the gun's design, nor an "accident".

The carelessness is in not following standard Army practice, which is to carry in Conditions 3 or 1, only.

Now back to my original point -- the M1911 has no means of taking the firing pin out of the loop. Therefore hammer-dropping modifications are inherently risky.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Its one of the safest guns to carry in the world

Not only does it have a grip safety, it has a manual safety, both which have to be engaged(or disengaged as it were) for it to fire, and then you still have to pull the trigger

And yet people who think nothing of carrying a Ruger .22 Automatic, or a Browning Buckmark with one up the spout consider Condition 1 with the M1911 to be "dangerous."

There are lots and lots of automatic pistols (such as the two examples I gave above) that are carried on Condition 1 without a grip safety, and the viewers-with-alarm think nothing of it because they can't see the cocked hammers.

 

[the foot]

Cocked and Locked is safe; problems arise with inexperience or lack of practice or unsafe practices by the weapon's operator.

 

[kcshooter]

The carelessness is in not following standard Army practice, which is to carry in Conditions 3 or 1, only.

So you're saying anyone who carries in Condition 2 is automatically careless?

Good to know.



(Puh-lease!)



BTW, I still wouldn't carry in Cond. 2 or 3, but it isn't a safety issue, it's an expediency issue.

And yet people who think nothing of carrying a Ruger .22 Automatic, or a Browning Buckmark with one up the spout consider Condition 1 with the M1911 to be "dangerous."

Yeah, lots of people carry those guns, too.
Err...wait a minute....

 

[M1911]

So you're saying anyone who carries in Condition 2 is automatically careless?

Good to know.

(Puh-lease!)

It isn't so much the carrying in Condition 2 that worries me. It is getting into condition 2 that worries me. Too easy to slip and mess up.

That aside, I have to question, however, why do you want to carry in condition 2? Lowering the safety is far quicker and easier (particularly with one hand) than cocking the hammer. I see plenty of drawbacks to condition 2 and no advantages.

So why do you want to carry in condition 2?

 

[kcshooter]

Read again, I don't want to. I carry every one of mine cocked and locked, whether or not they have a firing pin safety system. But I don't think it's very knowledgeable to call it an unsafe condition. It isn't a GOOD idea, but it isn't inherently unsafe, either.

 

[M1911]

It isn't a GOOD idea, but it isn't inherently unsafe, either.

So manually lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber is safe?

Don't slip...

 

[kcshooter]

So manually lowering the hammer on a loaded chamber is safe?

If you know what you're doing, it isn't unsafe.

 

[orionengnr]

To reiterate:

I guess a lot of you missed post #9 (August 11), two months ago wherein the OP states that he has gotten over it and is carrying C&L.

Read.
Think.
Post.

It's not that difficult. Really.

Obviously, an awful lot of people skip steps #1 and #2.

 

[Tacbandit]

Dang.......good shot..........Man it sure got quiet.....