college student branded a criminal

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While I do not fully agree with the Law, it is the Law, and she knowingly broke it... Stupid.
Leaving a loaded rifle unattended... Stupid.
Loaning out a loaded rifle... Stupid.
Loaning out a loaded rifle with an inoperable safety... Stupid.
Having it returned to her on school grounds... Stupid.

Stupid, stupid, stupid... A whole chain of events, each link made of stupidity.
She forged her own chains, time to wear them.
 
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This is a case of very bad judgement rather than criminal intent. But the hand-wringers must make a big deal of it, as usual.

This young lady is about to learn a very hard lesson...

Ron in Texas
 
I completely understand the response of "that was a dumb thing to do" but as you said yourself it shows "No criminal intent". We take into account intent even when death does occur. So I ask you how is this just in any way? She doesn't get brains of the year award but I think thus shows the stupidity of the law itself.
 
She knew it was illegal to have the firearm on the property.
She did it anyways.

She knowingly broke the law... Criminal intent, I'm know its illegal, I'll do it anyways... Guilty, period.

She should have told'er friend, "No way am I taking possession of that here, it is illegal, get it out of here, NOW!"

There is no wiggle room here.

If only she'd taken it home that night.
 
From the title of this thread I wanted to take the student's side and agree she was innocent...but seriously...loaning out a loaded rifle then leaving said loaded rifle in a campus building for an extended period of time is pretty dang stupid. Of course if everyone was being reasonable then carrying on campus would be legal...

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If ignorance of the law is no excuse, then what can one say when they know the law? It's just stupid to leave personal property in an unsecured location, but when that property is a loaded weapon--dang.
 
I cannot say anything is wrong just because it's the law if it's not wrong it's not wrong and couldn't care less about what the jokers in the big desks have to say about it. It may be an unpopular opinion but I see this girl doing nothing wrong outside of breaking a law thats unjust therefore in the grand schrme of things no law anyway.... we (meaning us 2a supporters) always talk about how a firearm is just a tool so what if this was a drill or skilsaw? Would you still say "it was stupid for her to loan her friend her drill and leave it unattended.... so stupid in fact its criminal! "?

I'm fully aware this thought process matters naught and she is most likely going to be convicted guilty of breaking this law but what kind of law is it? Is it something you are willing to aquiesse to? I'm not advising breaking the law but how can we be so apathetic sitting behind our computer screens by simply saying "tough luck the law is the law". If being a Christian was suddenly outlawed would we just give the victims of the Bible ban a hearty "sucks to be you, bro"?
 
I'd have so much more sympathy for her plight had she not left the loaded weapon unattended for several days.

I think drug laws are bad, but if she'd had loaned her buddy a "loaded" bong and then retaken possesion of it in and subsequently stored it, unsecured, in a campus office, she's just as foolish and irresponsible.

Sorry, but it was just plain wrong.
 
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You don't agree with the law you just think it should be enforced.
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Exactly.

There are many laws/regulations that I either disagree with fully or in part.
But they are what they are, and everyone and myself must live with them or work to change them.
We cannot simply allow anyone to ignore what they wish, without repercussions when they get caught.
I have done exactly that, and paid the consequences when caught.
I didn't, and still don't think marijuana, should be illegal.
I indulged in a public place, got caught, I wasn't angry at the cop/judge, I didn't think I should go merrily scot-free... I made a conscious decision to break a law.

We must have rule of law in our society.
 
She is clearly responsible for her actions. Perhaps now she will learn something about consequences. Coddling will only prolong the problem.
 
Bad law produces bad results, but the law is still real and so are the results. Neither should be ignored. All you can do is work to change them.
 
Mala Prohibitum. If she took the rifle up to the top of the building and started picking off fellow students I'd agree with chopping off her head, but this is an idiotic law punishing objects (and their owners) under the guise of protecting people.

I suppose some of you are in favor of the law prohiting concealed carry on campus by licensed folks?
 
I am for following the law; I get some of the members are more flippant about following the law when their 'rights' lean the other way.

Unfortunately, I have had the experience of crossing the line of the law. I am not a felon, but in my early 20s I made quite a few questionable decisions. I am not and idealist. I don't want to change the world. I want to utilize my rights under the law and keep my nose clean.

I just cannot understand some of you believe that someone willfully or ignorantly breaking the law should be forgiven.

"I didn't know the speed limit was only 60mph officer" has never worked for me; why should it when concerning a rifle?

YMMV.

I have I have a CCW. I don't carry on school campuses, at post offices or at the airport; why? IT IS ILLEGAL!

Don't carry that 5% of the time if it means risking losing your right to be armed forever!
 
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Lots of people on this board claim to be against gun control laws yet support it when they are enforced.
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That's because the vast majority are law abiding citizens. The only way the pro 2A movement is going to be taken seriously is if we are model citizens who obey the law. We don't have to agree with it to obey it. I personally think 55 mph speed limits on 4 lane roads are stupid, but I do it because it's the law.
This young lady had a serious "stupid" moment. Taking a loaded gun to school and leaving it unattended is just plain stupid. That's common sense stuff.
 
You don't agree with the law you just think it should be enforced.
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Absolutely. If a law is bad, yet enforced 100%, then people will either realize that it wasn't as bad as they thought, or they'll get tired and get the law changed.

On the flip side, bad laws that don't get enforced tend to get forgotten about . . . until the conveniently need to be able to charge someone with "something". You know the drill - don't like protesters? Charge them with jaywalking.

In a society where everyone is guilty of laws that go unenforced unless some government officer chooses to, then the laws themselves become meaningless, and serve only as tools by which to detain and harass anyone of their choosing.

In reality, this girl was branded a criminal because she IS a criminal. She's not guilty of murder, conspiracy to commit murder, or any other violent crime, but she was in violation of criminal law. That law needs to be enforced or thrown out.
 
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