Colorado Man Charged for Standard Capacity Magazine

[Ironicaintit]

A good bit of inaccurate information flowing in the recent posts here.

+15 magazines that enter the state today, next year, whenever, only need to have been lawfully obtained prior to 07/01/2013. They are not illegal and can be used and possessed without fear.

Thanks for the clarification, it is appreciated!

 

[MachIVshooter]

That will make it incredibly easy to enforce in another 20-40 years. The long game is being played and we're losing badly here.

Exactly. As an adult when it passed, I can stick my tongue out and say "prove it!". My son, however, will not be able to do that. And as has been pointed out, the CLEOs of the future may not be on the citizen's side so much as they are today.

It is still unclear, though, how exactly this will pan out for people who move here. The law covers transfers explicitly; you cannot transfer a >15 round magazine in the state of Colorado after 07-01/2013. But a new resident who already owns the magazines when he moves here should be in the clear, regardless of their age or when they came to possess the magazines. The corollary is that you could move to and reside in another state for a time, come to own said magazines, then move back and they couldn't touch you because no transfer took place in the state or to a resident of the state.

 

[USAF_Vet]

Problem with this guy is he'll most likely be rightfully convicted and appeal his case and he's a horrible client and he's the test case that will make it to SCOTUS over magazine size limits and we'll lose.

What lawyer is going to push this through multiple appeals before it even gets to SCOTUS?

Come on, man. Even the most brainless pro 2A attorney wouldn't consider this as a test bed to repeal mag limit laws.

 

[CoRoMo]

All over the state, gun shops ... are openly flouting the law.

Found out today that this is absolutely true.

One of my salesmen bought a Black Friday special last week; S&W M&P15 Sport. The local gun dealer (very well known, successful, popular, and pretty much my go-to place) didn't even make an effort to sidestep the law. The Pmag came fully assembled in its factory wrapper, date stamped 8/15.

Some shops will disassemble the magazine and sell it as a parts kit, but many are flat out giving this law the middle finger.

 

[Gtscotty]

Yep, I like to look in some of the gun shops when I'm down in Northern Colorado, most every big shop I've been in is selling what look like complete Pmags disassembled into "parts kits". No bones about it.

 

[Robert]

"Parts kits" were not made illegal under the new. Just proves that have no idea what they are doing.

 

[Rio Laxas]

"Parts kits" were not made illegal under the new. Just proves that have no idea what they are doing.

If they had bothered listening to those who testified at the public hearing and during the debate on the bill, then they would have known these parts kits were going to become immediately available. I watched it all online, so I couldn't see what they were doing, but I've been told that the legislators that supported the bill didn't even bother pretending to pay attention during the testimony and debate.

I don't think they really cared whether or not it was going to be easy to circumvent the law. All they wanted was a chance to score a point for Bloomberg and "common sense" gun control.

 

[Davek1977]

Originally Posted by newfalguy101

Last I knew, the DR-client privelage thing was pretty important

and the flipside, most doctors and mandatory reporters also see their duty, their obligation under the law, as "pretty important" as well, and rightfully break that confidentiality based on the codified laws of their state and the ethics of their profession. One cannot "shoot off their mouths" and expect there to be no consequence when actual threats are made. Its not up to the counselor to make a moral decision on whether or not the person was capable or serious...once a threat of harm is made, they have a legal obligation to report the information, and at that point, its up to other authorities to determine the credability of threat, whether charges are warranted, and whatnot. Yes, confidentiality is important, but DR-paitent confidentiality;lity DOES NOT cover threats against other people or even threats to end one's own life.

 

[MachIVshooter]

I've been told that the legislators that supported the bill didn't even bother pretending to pay attention during the testimony and debate.

They didn't. They also shut down the forum before everyone who signed up got to speak, which is against procedure.

The two bills that got rammed through were always going to be with full Democrat control of the entire state government. They jut didn't count on the strong public reaction. We'd have an R for governor, too, if the retards hadn't put "can't win Beauprez" up for the second time.

At least we got the senate over it.

 

[MErl]

The parts kit for mags may or may not be legal to sell but they are surely illegal to assemble. The law specifically addressed manufacture of mags, essentially an anti magpul clause.

As has been said, enforcement now is nil but wait 20 years and it gets alot easier.

 

[CoRoMo]

...most every big shop I've been in is selling what look like complete Pmags disassembled into "parts kits".

"Parts kits" were not made illegal under the new.

The parts kit for mags may or may not be legal to sell but they are surely illegal to assemble.

I realize that there are likely multiple indirect conversations going on in this thread, maybe even on this third page, but just to be clear...

In post #54, I was not referring to "magazine parts kits" being sold at the LGS I mentioned.

These were fully assembled, 08/2015 dated, factory new and in Magpul's unmolested wrapping, 30rd Pmags. Being sold by a locally owned (not national/big box) dealer that many of you would recognize the name of. This LGS is top notch, well respected, highly renowned, etc. and they don't even pretend to care that a new 30rd is crossing the counter in an illegal transaction.