Police say man had 28 weapons

[BullsEye10x]

28 guns is an arsenal? I must be on every terrorist watch list in existence!

 

[Wildfire]

Wow!

Hey there :
I think they would just walk me out back and hang me.
Is NJ. in America ?

 

[nwilliams]

I own more guns than this guy did, certainly glad I live in one of the free States!

 

[MD_Willington]

I have that many butter knives... an arsenal I tell ya!

 

[AR-15 Rep]

You have to wonder what brought them to his door in the first place....

 

[m38shooter]

JesseL, apparently, some people think it's moral to help put someone in prison for peacefully carrying a firearm without a permit, or for having a firearm with a barrel length that is not approved by the majority. Can you imagine that?

-Sans Authoritas

When we legally become adults we're faced with many decisions. One of those decisions is to decide where we'll live our lives. If we settle on a place (whether it's moving to another state or staying in the same one) then we commit ourselves to following the rules (laws) of that place regardless of how little sense they make or how immoral they may be. If you don't plan to obey the rules, pick somewhere else.

If you ignore the rules, you've done something wrong just by breaking the rules. If you want the rules to change, that's fine, work the system to get them changed. Don't just ignore them.

Regardless of how the above may have sounded, I believe that the only gun control that should ever be implemented relates to proper stance and grip. However, if you choose to live somewhere that has laws of any kind in place, you should follow them.

 

[matt87]

I counted over 28 potential weapons that I was born with... and I'm not even very imaginative. Wish that
a) people would understand that 'weapon' requires intent to use as such
b) people would realise 'so what if it can eject pointy things at high speed when manipulated just so?'

OMGz itsa gunz!!!!!!!oneoneone

 

[ColinthePilot]

i find stories like this hit a little close to home, litterally. I grew up in the People's Republic of Maryland, which jokingly calls itself the "Free State." I had 5 illegal guns there for about 5 years. They were only illegal because they weren't registered. otherwise, only one was operable, and none were particularly crazy. One semi-auto handgun, one revolver, one double barrel 12ga, one .22, and a .55cal riding pistol. I moved to florida for college at 18 and now I'm in TX. I have 6 more guns, all of which would be illegal in PRM, but TX doesn't care.
I'll never forget my first rifle purchase (the previous 5 were inherited). I was buying an SKS in FL, and asked the salesman at the shop about the legalities of owning an SKS. he said, "boy, you from California?" I replied, "no sir, maryland." he said "awwww, hell, thats just as bad. let me tell you somethin, son. In florida, the SKS is just a rifle, and a rifle is a rifle is a rifle." I said "well, in that case, here's my money, where do i sign?"

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Sans Authoritas wrote:

JesseL, apparently, some people think it's moral to help put someone in prison for peacefully carrying a firearm without a permit, or for having a firearm with a barrel length that is not approved by the majority. Can you imagine that?

m38shooter wrote:

When we legally become adults we're faced with many decisions. One of those decisions is to decide where we'll live our lives. If we settle on a place (whether it's moving to another state or staying in the same one) then we commit ourselves to following the rules (laws) of that place regardless of how little sense they make or how immoral they may be. If you don't plan to obey the rules, pick somewhere else.

I firmly believe people should live in the least-tyrannical place. As it is, the question was, "Does a majority vote suddenly make it moral to punish someone for a moral act?" How can it be "senseless" and "immoral" to make the regulations, as you say, and still be immoral to disobey them? Aren't laws supposed to be reasonable? Does a majority vote somehow make something "reasonable?" Do we just have to follow orders no matter what? (And what are laws but orders given by the majority?)

If you ignore the rules, you've done something wrong just by breaking the rules.

Being involved in smuggling freed slaves in the 1850's was doing "something wrong?" That's sick, sir.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Sans Authoritas]

I'm just curious how many of you, had you lived in the 1920's, would have respected the police who were confiscating people's booze and ruining people's lives for moral acts "because it was the law," or whether you would have respected the numerous cops who broke their oaths, looked the other way and even partook of the demon rum themselves.

Show of hands either way?

-Sans Authoritas

 

[savetheclaypigeons]

dang. I'm 2 short

 

[JohnBT]

"Can you imagine that?"

I imagine a lot of things. And then there's reality.

John

 

[Ridgerunner665]

28 guns qualifies as an arsenal these days?

If it does...I'm in deep (you know what)...NOT

Geography matters...move out of those commie states people.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

I'm just curious how many of you, had you lived in the 1920's, would have respected the police who were confiscating people's booze and ruining people's lives for moral acts "because it was the law," or whether you would have respected the numerous cops who broke their oaths, looked the other way and even partook of the demon rum themselves.

My Grandad survived the Depression by running shine...and kept 2 other families fed in the process...

Do I really have to raise my hand??? I'm holding the Mason jar with it...

 

[Tom609]

Borrowed from a similar thread on TFL...

THE REST OF THE STORY, seemed the guy brought it on himself...

BLAIRSTOWN TWP. | One neighbor said it sounded like a war zone last week near Paul E. Waller's home.

"I have a family here," the neighbor said. "It was 12:30 in the morning. It sounded like a movie." The neighbor, who requested anonymity, said the rapid-fire gunshots coming from another home on Cedar Lake Road near Lake Susquehanna prompted him to call police.

(see other thread by Rachen - "Update on NJ..." he has link)

He said officers told him other neighbors called as well.

An investigation led to the arrest Friday of Waller, 41, and the discovery of a cache of weapons.

New Jersey State Police troopers confiscated 28 guns including assault rifles and .357 Magnum handguns.

Waller showed police his gun collection. The weapons were not legally registered, authorities said.

Waller is also prohibited from possessing guns because of a prior weapons/explosives conviction, records show.

On Monday, police determined two of Waller's guns were stolen.

Also one of his shotguns is considered an assault weapon because it is outfitted with an extended magazine tube that could hold seven 12-gauge rounds of ammunition, records show.

Waller is free on his own recognizance. He did not return phone messages Thursday and no one answered the door at his home at 122 Cedar Lake Road. A for-sale sign hangs at the end of the driveway leading to the lakeside residence.

Waller is charged with three complaints of failing to register assault weapons.

He is also charged with possession of an MAK-90 7.62-caliber assault firearm, an ACC International Instrac Model 320 assault weapon and a Russian-made SKS-45 assault firearm.

He is also charged with possession of two double-barreled shotguns, two 12-gauge shotguns and a Browning rifle.

In addition, Waller is charged with possession of a Thompson semi-automatic .45-calbier carbine, a Winchester 30-06 rifle, a Thompson semi-automatic .22-calbier carbine, a 30-30 rifle, an Enfield military rifle and a .22-caliber rifle.

He is also charged with possession of a Harrington and Richardson Model 750 Pioneer .22-calbier rifle, a Crossman 3500 slide-action BB air rifle, three Smith & Wesson .357 Magnum handguns, a Smith & Wesson .38 Special, a .38-caliber handgun, two .45-caliber handguns, a .40-caliber handgun, a .357-caliber handgun, and three .22-caliber handguns.

 

[never_retreat]

Hmmmm.....

Something fish with this one. I'm less than a mile from that guy and I haven't heard anything about it. There is a reason we call that paper the Easton fish rap.

PS I have at least 28 guns under my bed in NJ.
Come get them Gestapo.

 

[steveracer]

"Also one of his shotguns is considered an assault weapon because it is outfitted with an extended magazine tube that could hold seven 12-gauge rounds of ammunition, records show."
Seriously? Seven-round shotties are illegal in NJ?
Totally, completely, and irreversibly out of control. We will be governed no better than we deserve, they say, but this is inexcusable.

 

[moooose102]

and i thought Michigan was bad! you gotta feel sorry for this guy. even if he did screw up by not registering them. i wonder how they found out? in any case, hopefully, he can plea bargain this down to some kind of fine/community service sentance in stead of going to jail. NEW JERSEY BITES! maybe a good lawyer from the N.R.A. could help this guy out!

 

[JohnBT]

"i wonder how they found out?"

He was shooting at midnight in a residential area.

""It was 12:30 in the morning. It sounded like a movie." The neighbor, who requested anonymity, said the rapid-fire gunshots coming from another home on Cedar Lake Road near Lake Susquehanna prompted him to call police."

 

[JohnMc]

Waller is also prohibited from possessing guns because of a prior weapons/explosives conviction, records show.

That pretty much seals the deal for this guy, IMHO.

However, all the hyperbole from the press is typical. The both articles should have been:
"Police arrested Mr. Waller for possession of firearms. Waller is [edit out "also"] prohibited from possessing guns because of a prior weapons/explosives conviction, records show.
On Monday, police determined two of Waller's guns were stolen.
Mr. Waller will be arraigned blah blah..."

7 round shotguns? They're for deer hunting here in NC.

 

[texas bulldog]

m38shooter wrote:

When we legally become adults we're faced with many decisions. One of those decisions is to decide where we'll live our lives. If we settle on a place (whether it's moving to another state or staying in the same one) then we commit ourselves to following the rules (laws) of that place regardless of how little sense they make or how immoral they may be. If you don't plan to obey the rules, pick somewhere else.

i could not disagree with you more, sir. history books are filled with stories of people who disobeyed immoral laws, and they are lauded for their actions. were our founding fathers behaving immorally when they disobeyed the crown? i could give you hundreds of examples just off the top of my head, but the point is that disobeying an immoral law is a moral act. read some history and philosophy if you disagree...you'll find that some pretty smart people agree on this topic.

also...i get tired of people saying that someone was wrong for not moving to a place where x-activity were legal. we throw out the argument that people should "just move" a lot around here. sure, it would make things easier sometimes, but it's seldom as easy as folks make it sound. some people have family or financial reasons why it just isn't quite so easy.

besides...where will you move when your state enacts similar infringements? what about when every state has? obviously, we work to avoid that, but there's got to be a point, even a hypothetical one, where even you would choose to disobey the rules...

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Sans Authoritas

I'm just curious how many of you, had you lived in the 1920's, would have respected the police who were confiscating people's booze and ruining people's lives for moral acts "because it was the law," or whether you would have respected the numerous cops who broke their oaths, looked the other way and even partook of the demon rum themselves.

Ridgerunner665 wrote:

My Grandad survived the Depression by running shine...and kept 2 other families fed in the process...

Do I really have to raise my hand??? I'm holding the Mason jar with it...

Well-met.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[elrod]

He broke the law. Therefore he is a criminal. Do the crime, do the time. Don't like it? Raise your voice really loud, and maybe the politicians will accommodate your views. Because they're reasonable men who want to do the right thing. So if your idea is reasonable, they'll listen.


Sans Authoritas

And what color Kool-aid are you sipping on????

 

[Big45]

Sans, you sure do like to stir the pot eh? I notice that threads generally devolve into debates once you get involved.

Oops, forgot about the thread....

God help NJ.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Big45 wrote:

Sans, you sure do like to stir the pot eh? I notice that threads generally devolve into debates once you get involved.

Big45, history proves that if the contents of the pot aren't stirred, they get turned into charcoal.

-Sans Authoritas