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So, I like 1911s and I want to get one some day. I was looking at getting one to carry and I was interested by the Colt Commander since it sounds like the first small 1911 which apeals to me cause I dont want to buy a brandnew gun. So does anyone have an oppinon on th Colt Commander?
 
Love'em. I've got got the Commander in multiples.

The steel-framed Combat Commander will live longer and hold up better under hard use. The aluminum alloy framed LW Commander is an easy-carryin' piece with a little sharper recoil that can be tamed without a lot of trouble or loss of reliability.
 
I think the original Commander (Alloy frame) is one of the all-time great guns.

The Combat Commander (Steel frame) to me is just too heavy for the slight reduction in size.
I'd just as soon have a full-size 1911.

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I've had an actual Combat Commander as well as a Combat Commander-sized gun. Few if any handguns balance better in my hand. Five-inchers (Government-sized) always feel nose heavy.
 
The Combat Commander (Steel frame) to me is just too heavy for the slight reduction in size.
I'd just as soon have a full-size 1911.

I can agree with that to a point, but the steel-framed Commander does offer a few advantages over both the LW and the 5-inch gun.
Although some claim that it's neither fish nor fowl nor good read meat, don't be too quick to discount it out of hand.

As noted, it's more durable for hard duty, and all but impossible to wear out with normal use...say 2500 rounds a year. A plus for those who can only afford or only justify one gun for all reasons.

It's a shade quicker out of the leather than the 5-inch gun. When tenths of seconds count, it can make the difference between dinner at home with the wife and kids and a tag on one's toe down at the morgue.

It's a good practice platform for those who carry a LW Commander and don't want to over-stress their carry gun...but still want to practice with something close to what they carry.

The recoil is a little less sharp and tiring for long practice sessions.

Many of us...myself included...find that the shorter Combat Commander balances a little better than the 5-inch gun when executing fast drills.
 
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When you talk of "fast drills" do you mean DeWalts?
 
Thumbs up for Commander

My first 1911 was also a Combat Commander and it was a great gun. Like some have said it is a little heavy for concealed carry, but I believe a Commander (Light weight version) would be a great concealed carry weapon. Nice balance and doesn't drag your pants down like my Combat Commander used to do when I carried it. I really liked my Combat Commander, it was great shooting and after having a little work done it (full beavertail, I have large hands, and better sights) it was a very reliable and fun to shoot gun.

Anyhow just my 2 cents

Little John
 
When you talk of "fast drills" do you mean DeWalts?

Nope. Drill as in drill the bad guys as fast as ya can, ' cause the quicker you can get'em stopped, the less shot you'll get.

Lord Byron, 1808. Chiseled in the stone which marks the grave of his dog named "Boatswain"

Love that. I've got it saved to a document and read it often. Since I just lost one of my Collies 3 weeks ago...it holds special meaning these days.
 
I saw your signature so I brought Byon in on the off chance that you'd never seen it.
The Dewalt stuff was to keep us on topic :)
 
1911Tuner, can you..

Love'em. I've got got the Commander in multiples.

The steel-framed Combat Commander will live longer and hold up better under hard use. The aluminum alloy framed LW Commander is an easy-carryin' piece with a little sharper recoil that can be tamed without a lot of trouble or loss of reliability.

Give a quick rundown on what IYO needs to be done to the LW Commander to cut down on the sharper recoil and tamed without a lot of trouble or loss of reliability..?

In just the last year, my hands have been talking back more and more, arthritis, and even though after seeking your advise and doing as you said to my 3" Colt Defender, which has gone 1450 flawless rounds to-date, my hands pay the price to grip that puppy (especially one-handed shots) and I'm in the process of either selling it or trading it for a 4" LW Commander 1911, either Colt or SA.

Thanks,


Ls
 
Give a quick rundown on what IYO needs to be done to the LW Commander to cut down on the sharper recoil and tamed without a lot of trouble or loss of reliability..?

Easy to do, as long as the pistol has a standard recoil system, and not one of those reverse-plug, bushingless things. Okay for standard systems with full-length gude rods as well.

Step 1:

Order a Wolff 16-pound recoil spring for the standard 5-inch/Government Model. Clip it to 25 turns. Install it and check for coil bind. Clip one-half coil off the open end of the spring at a time until the slide hits the impact abutment instead of being stopped by the fully compressed spring. Most work with 25 coils. Occasionally, it requires that a half-coil be removed. 16-pound spring. Not 18.

Step 2:

Order a Wolff 23-pound mainspring and install.

Step 3:

Order an EGW square-bottomed firing pin stop. It's oversized and requires fitting. The benefit is that it keeps the extractor stable, and eliminates clocking.

File or stone a small radius on the bottom corner of the FP stop to reduce the mechanical advantage of cocking the hammer against the mainspring's resistance. A 1/16th radius is good. If you're not handy with filing a radius, just lightly break the corner. This delays the slide a bit and transfers some of its rearward energy and momentum to the mainspring. This causes the slide to move a little slower in recoil, and softens the impact when it stops against the frame, which reduces muzzle flip.

The slower speed before frame impact compresses the spring at a slower rate, which spreads the effect of the spring out over a longer period of time.

The felt recoil in an autopistol doesn't come from the cartridge ignition the way that it does in a fixed-breech gun...like a revolver. It comes from the recoil spring and the slide's impact. The heavier the spring, the sharper the recoil. The faster the slide compresses the spring...the sharper the recoil. It's a closed Action/Reaction system, and Newton's 3rd Law applies.

Delaying and slowing the slide during recoil does a lot to buffer those effects.
 
Its funny how things change. In the 70's shooters where clamoring for a steel frame compact Commander size .45 and lamenting that Colt only produced the alloy (aluminum) frame for the Commander. Colt responded with the Combat commander and everyone was happy with the choice. Now people complain about the steel frame, well just get the alloy frame since both are generally available new or used.
 
I don't own a commander yet and I generally don't like alloy frames or compact .45acp autos. However I really like the Combat Commander for some reason. Some also find the commander size is much easier for iwb carry.

I also like the way commander round type hammers look. Do they help to prevent hammer bite?
 
andrewdl007

The Combat Commander has always been one of my favorites. It balances better in my hand and I like the slightly shorter sighting radius. It just feels right, even with the steel frame.
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I prefer Commander (4.25") length barrels/slides to the Government (5") 1911. It's ENTIRELY subjective...with no evidence, proof, or even an excuse to suggest I'm right (or wrong). But I AM considering selling a gun (or two) in order to finance what I consider to be an ideal carry gun. The Commander-length, scandium-framed 1911 S&W with a Bobtail modification is a pistol I VERY much want to own. Per your OP, The Colt Commander is a FINE handgun. I have an LW in .38 Super. But the collector value makes it a bad platform from which to build a custom. Get one, you'll enjoy it.
 
I have had a L/W Commander for many years. It was my only carry gun for most of those years and I still have absolute faith in it.

I toted a 5" all steel gun before that and the 4 1/4" L/W gun is a bit handier in a quick, close quarter problem.

The only reason I do not have a Combat Commander is I have never lucked into a deal, the L/W was easier to tote, and for a range gun I would just as soon have a 5".
 
File or stone a small radius on the bottom corner of the FP stop to reduce the mechanical advantage of cocking the hammer against the mainspring's resistance. A 1/16th radius is good. If you're not handy with filing a radius, just lightly break the corner. This delays the slide a bit and transfers some of its rearward energy and momentum to the mainspring. This causes the slide to move a little slower in recoil, and softens the impact when it stops against the frame, which reduces muzzle flip.

Is it possible for you to post a picture or this or of a small sketch of this? I'm trying to vision this.
 
I wish the commander hammer was standard on 1911 patterns and BHP's. I feel it looks better and I suffer from hammer bite with some guns.
 
I got my LW Commander earlier this month.

I've taken it out shooting four times already and I really like it.

So far I've had three jams, all were with mags that have smooth followers and on the last round in the mag.

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One thing that kind of surprised me was that the sights are shooting to point of aim with my favorite loads, and the overall accuracy has been very good.

The only problems I have had has been the grip screws and the rear sight screw have needed some thread locker.Patrick
 
I really enjoy shooting my Colt Commander (steel receiver). It is my second most accurate pistol. My Series 70 reissue is still my most accurate. Both have been fully reliable.
 
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