Combat wounds proving less deadly

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Boston Globe August 31, 2003

Combat wounds proving less deadly

By Robert Schlesinger

WASHINGTON -- American soldiers in Iraq are surviving combat-related injuries at a markedly higher rate than in past wars, according to a review of casualty figures from Iraq and other recent US conflicts.

Roughly one in seven soldiers wounded in combat in Iraq has died, according to figures released by US Central Command. In previous conflicts dating to World War II, one in every three or four soldiers died after combat wounds.

Widespread use of lightweight body armor, improved battlefield medicine, and the lack of Iraqi artillery use have all contributed to the US survival rate, according to medical authorities and military specialists.

But that survival rate also may disguise the day-to-day danger level that coalition forces face in Iraq. Since most attention focuses on deaths, particularly those from ambushes and other combat, the higher numbers of wounded in Iraq have drawn relatively little attention. Since President Bush declared major combat operations over on May 1, a US soldier has been killed roughly every other day. During the same time period, an average of 4.5 troops have been wounded in combat each day.

According to US Central Command, 1,111 US personnel have been wounded in action since the start of hostilities, including 561 since May 1. Over the same period, 178 have been killed in action, 66 since May 1. According to coalition officials in Baghdad, allied forces are attacked on average a dozen times a day.

"Body armor and helmets have been the very big winner on the battlefield this last go-round," said Robert Kinney, who heads the individual protection division at the US Army Soldier Systems Center in Natick, Mass. He added the Iraq war marks the first time the military used ceramic body armor -- lightweight plates inserted into the front and back of a soldier's combat vest -- on a mass scale.

That protection has translated into fewer immediately fatal injuries.

"We are seeing very few chest wounds and very few head wounds," said Colonel David W. Polly, chief of the Department of Orthopedic Surgery and Rehabilitation at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Polly estimated about 80 percent of the wounds he and his staff have treated have been to arms and legs. He said the expected range in combat is between 60 and 80 percent.

"Patterns of injury were very different in Iraqi versus US soldiers," Major General Kenneth L. Farmer Jr., US Army deputy surgeon general, told Military Medical Technology magazine in June. "Iraqi soldiers experienced the whole spectrum of injuries: upper and lower extremities, chest, abdomen, and back. US soldiers have had predominantly upper and lower extremity injuries."

Troops also have benefited from decades' worth of improvements in combat medicine, not simply improved equipment but also better training. For example, Polly said, during the buildup to the war, the Army put its doctors through a course emphasizing techniques for saving arms and legs. "They tried to get every doctor going overseas to get that course before going," Polly said.

In Iraq the Army also made more widespread use of Forward Surgical Teams, -- small, mobile units that can move with troops, cutting down on the time between injury and treatment. Military doctors focus on the first hour after an injury, the so-called golden hour, as the critical time when treatment can make the difference between survival and death. Whereas in Vietnam helicopters carried wounded soldiers to medical bases far behind the front lines, Forward Surgical Teams can move more quickly to the troops.

Military physicians also deploy more modern medicine, including antibiotic beads that secrete highly concentrated medicine into wounds and genetically engineered bone morphogenetic proteins, which help heal bones without the need for bone grafts.

US forces also have benefited from the fact that most Iraqi attacks have involved small-arms fire, or at worst rocket-propelled grenades, rather than artillery, which has historically been the greatest cause of battlefield injuries.

"If your adversary's mainly using small arms . . . there's just a limited number of lethal pieces of metal that are coming at you," said John Pike, from GlobalSecurity.org, a think tank based in Alexandria, Va.

While attention has focused on the number of US deaths, critics of the war suggested the larger issue of total casualties is gaining urgency. Jamal Simmons, a spokesman for the presidential campaign of Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said that in his campaign appearances Graham has been putting greater emphasis on the issue of US casualties because he increasingly gets asked about it.

Barry Posen, from the Security Studies program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said that despite the relatively low death rate, the ongoing incidence of casualties will become a problem because of the "morbidity version of the `six degrees of separation' hypothesis," which argues that any two people in the world are connected by no more than six levels of acquaintances. In this case, Posen said, people could increasingly hear about friends of friends getting wounded in Iraq.

In World War II, 30.3 percent of soldiers wounded in combat died. That percentage fell during the Korean War to 24.1 percent, and held steady through the Vietnam War (23.6 percent) and the Persian Gulf War (23.9 percent). But the number has declined sharply in Iraq, with 13.8 percent of battlefield wounds being fatal.

For American soldiers in Baghdad, the continuing attacks are no surprise -- they do not consider themselves to be in a postwar environment. The troops' uniforms still carry a backwards US flag patch, an indication of continuing conflict.

"You really have to be on your toes. No matter how hot it gets, no matter how tired you are," said Specialist Tristan Byars, 23, of San Diego. "When you get complacent, it's like putting a bull's-eye on your chest."

One soldier, Byars recalled, survived one attack and was sent back to his unit, only to be hit with a rocket-propelled grenade that took off both of his legs and an arm.

Daily, soldiers receive reports of deaths and injuries among colleagues, and many wonder whether they will be next, said Sergeant Nestor Rodriguez, 33, of Puerto Rico. "There are days some of us flip out and say, `I'm not going to make it here; we're going to die.' You just have to calm them down."

Susan Milligan of the Globe staff contributed to this report from Baghdad; Robert Schlesinger can be reached at [email protected].
 
I think the reason a lot of soldiers are living is that we are quickly moving them from the battlefield, and transporting them to the hospital in Germany.

I am personally scared to death of any military hospital, but IMHO a battlefield hospital is the worst. A lot of military doctors end up doing surgeries that are un-necessary in the field, so they get credit for combat surgeries. Not my idea of fun!:cuss:

One guy in my last unit (a 25 year old k-9 handler) had a pace maker installed while TDY to the desert. When he returned to the states the doctors had to remove it. Their investigation revealed he was de-hydrated while in the desert and when he went to see the doc, the doc went straight to surgery. This guy was healthy, just dehydrated. SAD:what:
 
Glockster, please say it ain't so and you're just kidding;

sounds like those "Drunken Army Doctor" stories from a hundred years ago.
 
They have some cool new stuff they are using also, such as super clotting powder. Sprinkle it on a bleeding wound and it's like instant skin or scab material. I think it's made from seaweed. Anyway, medics can now stop most horrible wounds from bleeding in a flash.
 
Orthonym,

Sad to say but times haven't changed much.

It's unfortunate, because these military doctors know we (members of the military) can't sue them...so they practice un-necessary acts on us.

Did anyone ever see the 60 minutes reports on military doctors...many of which couldn't practice in the civilian environment anymore due too many lawsuits...now they are military doctors doing the same type of things. You never know if your getting real information from them, or if the information is not even close to the truth.

My wife has went rounds with her doctors trying to do crazy stuff. Now we pay out of pocket to send her to a doctor on the economy. :cuss:
 
You can have your civilian medical licence revoked and still be eligible to be an Army doctor.

Seriously.

Nat'l Guard/Reserve docs aren't nearly as bad, I'm told, since they typically have civilian practices on the side and have to maintain, you know, competence.
 
True,

The last Doc I saw was here TDY, he was a doctor in the ANG, and had his own practice somewhere in California. He was possibly the best doc I have seen in the AF.

Most military Doc's are quacks who think they know everything, but really only know what they were taught in school. Most never further their learning once they get out of said school.

Worse yet is that there is un-written law between docs where they won't say another doctor was wrong. Compounding the problems.

My wife was having serious long term menstrual problems and her quack said the only thing they could do was a hysterectomy. Now that wouldn't sound so bad, but she is 28 years old, with only 2 children. She went to her civilian doc, and was told it is not an option for her problem, at least not right now, she is far too young for such a drastic surgery.
 
My thinking on military docs was that they are from the bottom of the barrel and therefore not good enough to get jobs in civilian hospitals. I always had more faith in the field medics, at least to a point.
 
If the military docs are bottom of the barrel, the absolute worst are the civilian contract doctors. Like everything else, the contracts go to the lowest bidders and well......it only proves you get what you pay for.
 
In my 20+ yrs of experience in the Army, there are basically 3 types of military doctors: Those just out of med school, that the service has put through school, and who will be no better or worse than their civilian contemporaries, those who love the rank/power structure of the military, and get off on being "Col." so-and-so, who tend to be less competent than their civilian counterparts, and those who can't practice in the civilian world due to their negligence/incompetence.

I would always opt for a young doctor, if I had the choice. They weren't absolutely awful -- I'm still around. :)
 
Medical care has certainly improved since the days of the Revolution and Civil War. In fact, it's one of the reasons why there are more gun shot survivors today than before. Back in the Civil War, a belly wound was a kiss-off and they'd do nothing for you. A chest wound may be survivable. A wound that shivered a limb was treated with amputation. :eek: Boy, we sure have advanced and thankfully so.
 
I do have to agree these days they have definately scraped the bottom of the barrel for some of the security troops.

The young guys I work with are aweful, the majority don't care what happens to them, don't respect anything, and could care less if they get in trouble. Generation X'ers at their finest.:barf:
 
Military Docs

A surgeon in my group was activated from the reserves and has been over there since before hostilities began (now in Al Kut). He has a Ph.D. in surgery (residency plus 2-3 yrs of original research=8-9 yrs in addition to medical school. He does trauma surgery at our level I trauma hospital.

If you were a wounded marine or soldier, you would be in very,very good hands in his operating room!

When you don't know crap about a topic, you should keep your opinions to yourselves. After you have reached the point of taking life in your hands on a daily basis and are able to with stand whitering peer review, then opine.
 
Brooks,

Where do you get off telling us not to voice our opinions. It's our right to do so, and in doing so we haven't broken any rules of this board. If you don't like or appreciate our posts, please don't feel you have the right to negate or minimize what we have said, you can simply disagree. The tone used in the ending of your post was IMHO not called for!

Just because you know of one Doctor in the military (or reserves, not clear from your post), who has his crap together doesn't mean all military doctors do. You didn't even make it clear in your post what your affiliation in the military is, if any. The majority rules as far as I am concerned. And with 15 years in the military I know I can honestly say I have had many dealings with Military "QUACK" Doctors. If you are military and haven't had crappy dealings, then I am happy for you.

I realize others posters on this board have opinions, and I allow them to voice what they believe! That's what web based forums are for. We come here to share information and experiences. We surely don't come here to push our beliefs down others throats.
 
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