At the distances under consideration (lets say 15 feet to 50 yards) the real factor with eather pistol or carbine is the shooter's skill.
One time many years ago in the last (20th) century when combat games were new and generally unregulated by rules...
I was at an informal match where they were making up stages on-the-fly. The Match Director came up with this one.
A pick-up truck was parked parallel to the firing line with the driver’s door open. A Ruger Mini-14 carbine was lying on the seat, chamber cleared/magazine out. Some 80 yards down range on a stand an 8 to 10-inch steel disk had been placed in a vertical line to the truck. About 8 yards down the line to the right; two silhouette targets were placed out at about 10 and 15 yards down range from the firing line.
Each competitor was to:
1. Run up to the truck’s open door, grab the carbine and magazine, and then insert the magazine and chamber the first round.
2. Leaning over the truck’s hood they were to engage the plate until they either knocked it down or ran out of ammunition.
3. When this was done one way or the other they were to remove the carbine’s magazine, clear the chamber, and put both back on the seat.
4. Then run down along the firing line, to where the silhouettes were placed and engage each with two shots (or more as necessary) using their handgun.
5. The winner would be whoever made the required hits in the shortest time.
6. Optionally, if a competitor chose too do so, they could ignore the carbine and engage the plate using their handgun. Given the distance, the stage designer suggested this would be foolish too attempt.
On that particular day I was using a Colt Government Model .45 loaded with 200-grain semi-wadcutters @ about 850 FPS. I was the only competitor who chose to take on the plate with my handgun, and I knocked it down with one shot. Doing the rest was a piece of cake, and because of the time factor I easily won the stage.
Had this been a real shooting I would have gone for the carbine, stayed behind the truck for cover, and engaged all three targets with it. But games are games, right???
My last comment is intended to reflect on the stage designer and those that seem to imply that a handgun’s effective range should be measured in feet, not yards, and not Sam1911 or David E who I presume might have done things differently.
One time many years ago in the last (20th) century when combat games were new and generally unregulated by rules...
I was at an informal match where they were making up stages on-the-fly. The Match Director came up with this one.
A pick-up truck was parked parallel to the firing line with the driver’s door open. A Ruger Mini-14 carbine was lying on the seat, chamber cleared/magazine out. Some 80 yards down range on a stand an 8 to 10-inch steel disk had been placed in a vertical line to the truck. About 8 yards down the line to the right; two silhouette targets were placed out at about 10 and 15 yards down range from the firing line.
Each competitor was to:
1. Run up to the truck’s open door, grab the carbine and magazine, and then insert the magazine and chamber the first round.
2. Leaning over the truck’s hood they were to engage the plate until they either knocked it down or ran out of ammunition.
3. When this was done one way or the other they were to remove the carbine’s magazine, clear the chamber, and put both back on the seat.
4. Then run down along the firing line, to where the silhouettes were placed and engage each with two shots (or more as necessary) using their handgun.
5. The winner would be whoever made the required hits in the shortest time.
6. Optionally, if a competitor chose too do so, they could ignore the carbine and engage the plate using their handgun. Given the distance, the stage designer suggested this would be foolish too attempt.
On that particular day I was using a Colt Government Model .45 loaded with 200-grain semi-wadcutters @ about 850 FPS. I was the only competitor who chose to take on the plate with my handgun, and I knocked it down with one shot. Doing the rest was a piece of cake, and because of the time factor I easily won the stage.
Had this been a real shooting I would have gone for the carbine, stayed behind the truck for cover, and engaged all three targets with it. But games are games, right???
My last comment is intended to reflect on the stage designer and those that seem to imply that a handgun’s effective range should be measured in feet, not yards, and not Sam1911 or David E who I presume might have done things differently.
