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A lot of people have truck guns or at least claim to use one gun or another of theirs as a truck gun. I like the idea but I was thinking that there are many times I want that firepower to come with me.

The reasons I would do so are: I often walk around with a back pack and if I can tote the extra fire power I should, although I'm not afraid that my car would be stolen and the firearm would fall into the wrong hands, I have the option to keep it locked up in my vehicle or to take it with me.

The two choices I have in mind are the kel tec SU 16 and the Sub 2000. I currently carry a smaller pack that will take the sub 2000 at 16" inches folded, it also is easy on the pocket book at around 300 dollars. The SU 16 I'd have to carry a bag 26" tall, it's a lot for pack for just your everyday walk around bag but even with mags it would still only weigh about 5.5 pounds where as an ak would be a little cumbersome.

The SU 16 has a delta model that is an SBR with a 9" barrel but will run 850 or so and then will cost another 300 with a tax stamp but it keeps oal to under 20". I like the idea of the sub 2000 but it is a sacrifice in power and effective range but the SU 16 seems like a bit much to bother with. What do you think, anyone used to carrying around packs?

I pack a 9mm carry gun but it is a cz85 so although it would be compatible caliber wise it would not interchange mags.
 
I don't think he asking about the law. I'm not sure about VA but up here it's not illegal.

The problem with packing it a backpack is that it's difficult to get to and may get tangled up with other items. I prefer a scabbard mounted on the outside of the pack. Alaska Sportsman holsters sells some nice ones. To conceal you simply stick a cloth hood over the exposed stock.

Also check with the Maxpedition line, and I think there are some fearsome Haliburton cases that will hold a carbine briefcase-style
 
Depends on state laws, here in maine you can carry any firearm ready to go round in the chamber if you have a concealed carry permit, if you don't it must be stored seperately from ammo. They also define a firearm by law as any handgun, shotgun, or longgun.
 
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How sure are you about that? I live in Maine as well and while I know nothing about carrying a loaded long gun concealed on your person, I know that it is not legal to carry a loaded long gun in your vehicle regardless of whether you have a CWP or not. I am not trying to start anything, I am just wondering.
 
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure it is illegal to CC a rifle.
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As stated depends on the state. Firearms laws vary greatly state to state.

Do you want a rifle caliber or is a pistol caliber sufficient? That seems to help with your choice a lot.

Other options might be some of the bullpups but they are not real cheap. Also and SBR with a folding stock can be pretty compact.

The choice for me would depend on what exactly I wanted to rifle with me for and how much I wanted to spend.
 
I know a guy who used to do a lot of in the field repair work in some pretty seedy areas. His choice of carry was a paratrooper M1 Carbine, fit perfectly in the bottom of the tool box he carried and provides more punch than a pistol. Granted this was 25 years ago and the laws have changed since.

This type of use is pretty much what the M1 Carbine was made for.
 
I'd second the PLR-16. Half the price and no tax stamp. You won't get a stock but at self defense ranges it can be pretty quick and accurate.
 
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Thanks for the link but, I am still unconvinced.Check out the link to NRA-ILA: Maine Gun Laws at the bottom of the page you gave me. In the section called carrying you will find this: A person who has a valid Maine permit to carry a concealed weapon may have in or on a motor vehicle or trailer a loaded pistol or revolver covered by that permit. The part of this that bothers me is the part about "the pistol or revolver covered by that permit". It infers that only pistols and revolvers are covered by said permit. Do not assume that because what you showed me did not specify handguns only that it is legal to carry any firearm concealed in your vehicle or on your person. Maine law is very convoluted and it is hard to get solid answers from anyone. Heck, I can't even get a current copy of the concealed weapons booklet. I know that I have read that long guns are NOT covered by a concealed weapons permit but I just can't find it. Oddly enough, I know that it is legal to carry an AR-15 "pistol" loaded in your vehicle which is the only reason I would ever be interested in one. I hope that you prove me wrong but until I see it in writing as they say I doubt that "It must be true officer, I read it on the internet' will fly.:rolleyes:
 
I think you'll find most laws today are unclear. I just breezed through the permit pamphlet and state law defines a firearm as, "Firearm" means any weapon, whether loaded or unloaded, which is designed to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive and includes any such weapon commonly referred to as a pistol, revolver, rifle, gun, machine gun or shotgun. Any weapon which can be made into a firearm by the insertion of a firing pin, or other similar thing, or by repair, is a firearm."

But here is the mother load, it took sometime digging this out but it is from the state of maine government page. http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/12/title12sec11212.html

If the link doesn't work here it is.

§11212. Motor vehicles and motorboats

1. Prohibition. The following provisions apply to shooting from a motor vehicle or motorboat or possessing a loaded firearm or a crossbow in a motor vehicle.
A. A person may not shoot while in or on a motor vehicle or motorboat or while in or on a trailer or other type of vehicle being hauled by a motor vehicle except:
(1) A person may hunt migratory waterfowl from a motorboat in accordance with federal regulations;
(2) Paraplegics and single or double amputees of the legs may shoot from motor vehicles that are not in motion; and
(3) A person may shoot from a motorboat if that boat is not being propelled by its motor. [2003, c. 655, Pt. B, §142 (AMD); 2003, c. 614, §9 (AFF); 2003, c. 655, Pt. B, §422 (AFF).]
B. A person may not, while in or on a motor vehicle or in or on a trailer or other type of vehicle being hauled by a motor vehicle, have a cocked and armed crossbow or a firearm with a cartridge or shell in the chamber or in an attached magazine, clip or cylinder or a muzzle-loading firearm charged with powder, lead and a primed ignition device or mechanism, except that a person who has a valid Maine permit to carry a concealed weapon may have in or on a motor vehicle or trailer a loaded pistol or revolver covered by that permit. [2005, c. 477, §9 (AMD).]
C. A person may not possess a wild animal or wild bird taken in violation of paragraph A or B, except as otherwise provided in this Part. [2003, c. 414, Pt. A, §2 (NEW); 2003, c. 614, §9 (AFF).]
[ 2005, c. 477, §9 (AMD) .]
2. Penalty. A person who violates subsection 1 commits a Class E crime.
I still don't know though because I'm a pre law student and know that at times specific terms can actually mean more broad terms (interpretation). Like I said at the top of the page maine defines a firearm as such and it is a concealed firearms permit, further investigation coming. Furthermore this is not the go to weapon it is the weapon that I need to go to if some real bad **** goes down, so it will not have a magazine in the firearm which again changes things. However this is probably a little ways out so lets get back to my original post.
Take in mind the idea is I'll be carrying this around Portland ME, a city. Price range is around 600 bucks so bullpups are out. Even the kel tec Delta model is out at 800ish plus 300 for a tax stamp, But I oh so love the idea. In the end the Sub 2000 is easy to get because it only sets me back 300 and is a great little gun.
 
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I have a laptop bag loaded with my laptop & charger, and my Kel-Tec Sub2000 in .40S&W along with four 15rd OEM Glock mags and three 31rd aftermarket mags (all have proven 100% reliable). The bag is suspiciously heavy for just a laptop, but everything fits with room to spare.
 
I've seen the Draco for as low as $325. Nice deal on a nice gun. It has a threaded muzzle so you can put a brake on it. If you're looking at carrying a full rifle, you might as well get that. Way I see it, you won't have time to unfold the Kel-Tec rifles if you need them. This is ready to go as soon as you pull it out.
 
Mike Like I said this is not my primary, I carry a 9mm on my hip in an iwb, a carbine is for when the *%$# hits the fan and some nutter(s) is on a rampage, and they are too far the CZ on my hip.
 
Mike Like I said this is not my primary, I carry a 9mm on my hip in an iwb, a carbine is for when the *%$# hits the fan and some nutter(s) is on a rampage, and they are too far the CZ on my hip.
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Just a thought, but if they are to far away to engage with a pistol..........couldn't you just walk away?

Or if you feel that nutter(s) on a rampage are common in your area, just carry a rifle. I would think something more effective than a 9mm carbine.
 
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Oh you know cz guy, I hope I wouldn't walk away if someeone decided to go on a rampage, citizens duty and all. But thanks everyone for your responses that had NOTHING to do with my question, enjoy the high road I don't think I'll bother with it.
 
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Are you at USM? Keep investigating and let me know what you come up with. I do understand the definition of "firearm" but, again, it is that little phrase under subsection B that bothers me about the pistol or revolver covered by the permit.
 
Oh you know cz guy, I hope I wouldn't walk away if someeone decided to go on a rampage, citizens duty and all. But thanks everyone for your responses that had NOTHING to do with my question, enjoy the high road I don't think I'll bother with it.
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I'm a bit confused. In the OP you were referring to walking around with a back pack. I assumed that you meant back packing in the woods, but now suspect that you are referring to a pack in an urban setting. Could you please clarify the OP. :confused:
 
I'm also not a law student, but that section from the Maine legislature that you copied and pasted seems to refute your position. It seems, pretty clearly, to say that residents can NOT have a loaded gun in their car or vehicle, including a loaded magazine attached to the gun. The exception is a permit holder, who can carry a loaded handgun. That seems like pretty clear language to me.
 
Here in LA it says you need a permit to conceal a pistol, but not a rifle or shotgun :D
I've often contemplated carrying a rifle since it doesn't require a permit... BUT I couldn't figure out a way to get an easily carry able one that met the OAL law. I've got a bit of a beer gut growing it but its going to take me years to get big enough that no one will notice a rifle bulging lol.
 
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