Connecticut to Ban Gun Sales to Those on Federal Terrorism Lists
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Red Wind
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CT is lost in the wilderness. May it someday return to the US Constitution and reality.
Deanimator
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Somebody and his lawyer are going to be going up a couple of tax brackets...
speedway
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So much for due process.
Can CT get access to those names?
Question from the Old Fuff, sitting in the Peanut Gallery.... 
Supposedly the No-Fly list is confidential. No one on the list has any way of finding out if this is or isn't the case. You simply arrive at the airport and are denied an opportunity to board an aircraft.
According to the news article, Connecticut State Police will somehow check the list, and refuse to process the state's required paperwork that's necessary to purchase some (if not all) firearms.
But how does the governor propose to stop straw purchases?
Or the possibility that some low-life terrorist refuses to play by the rules, and smuggles in some evil arms from outside CT.? :banghead:
Supposedly the No-Fly list is confidential. No one on the list has any way of finding out if this is or isn't the case. You simply arrive at the airport and are denied an opportunity to board an aircraft.
According to the news article, Connecticut State Police will somehow check the list, and refuse to process the state's required paperwork that's necessary to purchase some (if not all) firearms.
But how does the governor propose to stop straw purchases?
Or the possibility that some low-life terrorist refuses to play by the rules, and smuggles in some evil arms from outside CT.? :banghead:
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Someone should break down what these failed actions cost the taxpayers individually when lawmakers are forced to defend their poorly planned, ill conceived pet projects in court and lose.
Is it just me, or does that sound suspiciously like, "never let a good crisis go to waste?"Gov. Malloy said:
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Somewhat ironic that CT's nickname is the "Constitution State"
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Absolutely. Before any details about the shooting in San B. were known, Obama was making comments about how gun control could have prevented the shooting.
He doesn't care who is doing the shooting, why they are doing it, or what they are using. He was obviously taking advantage of the situation.
Terrorists could nuke Miami and some politicians would say gun control could have prevented it.
They have been in contact with the white house, and are currently working out a framework for the CT state police via NICS and NCIC to check against those lists.
Also, I wonder if anyone realizes that this basically makes the "Secret" watch lists public information, since anyone who would have been otherwise thwarted by the secret watch list can now simply travel to CT, and attempt to purchase a rifle in order to check and see if they are on the list.
Easily one of the worst, most unconstitutional ideas that have ever come from the left.
Or FOI it (assuming that the legislature of CT hasn't thought to put an exemption in its FOI for "super double top secret federal government no-fly lists" yet).
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Finally, some common sense.
Yes, ban gun sales to people on the no fly list. It's a no-brainer. The national GOP has got this a$$ backwards, and are losing popular support and hurting the 2nd A movement by objecting to it.
If you are on the list you should be instantly denied. If a further background check clears you, then go ahead and make the purchase.
What we should really be focusing on as responsible gun owners is the guy who gave the two legally-purchased ARs to the terrorists in California. Make sure he spends the rest of his life in prison.
Yes, ban gun sales to people on the no fly list. It's a no-brainer. The national GOP has got this a$$ backwards, and are losing popular support and hurting the 2nd A movement by objecting to it.
If you are on the list you should be instantly denied. If a further background check clears you, then go ahead and make the purchase.
What we should really be focusing on as responsible gun owners is the guy who gave the two legally-purchased ARs to the terrorists in California. Make sure he spends the rest of his life in prison.
You DO know that Ted Kennedy found himself on the no-fly list at one time, simply because he had the same name as an IRA terrorist? If I recall it took him weeks to get it straightened out. If a sitting US Senator and brother of a former POTUS gets put on the list in error and has difficulty getting removed, what chance does a "regular citizen" have?
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Here is something I think you should familiarize yourself with.
Due process of law:
The principle that an individual cannot be deprived of life, liberty, or property without appropriate legal procedures and safeguards.
Now, you do realize you are arguing for a denial of rights that even hardcore progressives think goes too far in denying people their personal liberties, don't you?
From ThinkProgress.org,
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/12/07/3728943/no-fly-terrorist-watch-list-guns/
"Presidential candidate Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), a staunch defender of the National Security Agency’s right to spy on millions of people without cause, denounced the effort to curb the civil liberties of “everyday Americans that have nothing to do with terrorism.”
“The majority of the people on the no-fly list are oftentimes people that just basically have the same name as somebody else, who doesn’t belong on the no-fly list,” he said on CNN’s State of the Union. “Former Senator Ted Kennedy once said he was on a no-fly list. There are journalists on the no-fly list.”
Rubio is right that many, if not most, of those flagged names don’t belong there."
"People don’t know they’re on the watch list until they try to get on a plane, and have no way other than a legal battle to correct errors. Countless people, including American citizens, have been abruptly stranded in foreign countries as they fight for their right to return to the U.S. According to classified documents obtained by the Intercept, the broader terrorist watch list includes 280,000 people — more than 40 percent of the list — who the government says have no recognized terrorist affiliation."
So you are in favor of a system that, without your knowledge and without giving you notification or even an avenue to confirm or deny beforehand, the complete removal of your 2nd amendment rights COMPLETELY at the whim of a single individual who must neither prove the merit of their decision, or inform you of their decision to deny you your rights,...Giving you NO option to regain them other than a very costly and extended legal battle?
A system that is rife with errors? A system that has been proven to grossly and negatively affect ordinary, law abiding citizens... but not terrorists?
No Thanks.
This post is a clear example of the blind support principle I discuss in my other thread.
You should also be aware the bill prohibits gun ownership to everyone on the Terror Watchlist, not just the "No Fly List", which is a much smaller list. The Terror watch list contains over a million people, and it's VERY easy to end up on this list, and people can be "Nominated" for addition by most law enforcement agencies, or by the TSA because you exhibited "Suspicious" behavior...... Do you want someones gut feeling to cost you your 2nd amendment rights?
No disrespect intended to this poster.
haha dude, are you for real?
you do realize you are advocating for the govt to be able to restrict the gun rights of innocent people right?
they are on a SUSPECTED terror watch list......SUSPECTED being the key word.
they have not been proven guilty of anything and are being denied of constitutionally protected rights without Due-Process...
if we have proof these people were terrorists, they would be arrested, not just placed on a watchlist.
also, there is no published criteria to what lands you on the list, not way to know if you are mistakenly placed on this list, and not appeals process to get taken off the list.
the Republicans are opposing this because it is illegal
try using rational thought and not just emotion to form your ideas.
mbopp
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Deny a constitutional right even though you've never been convicted of a crime? Just because you made the list? Some lawyer is going to have a field day.
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ACP said:
Unfortunately, none of it is in your post.
ACP said:
What if the background check doesn't clear you? The appeal procedure if you're on the no-fly list is here, DHS TRIP:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhs-trip
You may be willing to give up your God-given rights (Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights) to a bureaucratic agency that has no obligation to even tell you why you're being denied your rights, but luckily the Republican Party is willing to fight for people like you willing to throw them away.
I've sworn an oath along with millions of other Americans to defend the Constitution from people like you. We'll continue to do it despite your interference.
First sentence of US Military Oath of Enlistment:
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html
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Did he do anything illegal that carries a potential sentence of life imprisonment? Or do you believe that the government should be able to imprison anyone whose actions displease the current administration without regard to the law?
If I legally give a friend a gun and he later goes stupid with it, you believe that I should be responsible and spend the rest of my life in prison?
I hope never to have to live in your vision of the US.
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And therein lies the problem! No adjucation, no lawyer, no fifth amendment rights, no nothing; a SUSPECT losses his/her Constitutionally protected rights.
The Constitution is being trashed -- AGAIN!
I want to TKO the terrorists as much as anyone but fer crissakes let's not surrender our liberty for a security that will prove false!
There are two separate lists--the terrorist watch list has reputedly over 1 million names on it in 2013 and the no fly list is significantly lower at about 6400 individuals in 2014. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/12/ted-kennedy-and-the-no-fly-list-myth/
Neither has a clear transparent process to remove yourself from the list unless you sue the government or know someone with enough clout to cause Homeland Security to delete your name.
Neither has a clear transparent process to remove yourself from the list unless you sue the government or know someone with enough clout to cause Homeland Security to delete your name.
Recently former UFC champion Rich Franklin found himself on a list for domestic abuse and was taken away in cuffs at the airport.
He's well known and famous. Luckily for him he was easily recognized and released after a short time being a celebrity and all.
What do you think would happen to us? Sitting in jail having our rights violated and then after we pay for an expensive lawyer we get no compensation. If it can happen to him if can happen to us. And we won't be getting off so quickly or easily. Nothing like violating someone's due process rights in an attempt to do 'anything' to make it look like you're doing 'something'.
He's well known and famous. Luckily for him he was easily recognized and released after a short time being a celebrity and all.
What do you think would happen to us? Sitting in jail having our rights violated and then after we pay for an expensive lawyer we get no compensation. If it can happen to him if can happen to us. And we won't be getting off so quickly or easily. Nothing like violating someone's due process rights in an attempt to do 'anything' to make it look like you're doing 'something'.
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So you trust the same administration that used to IRS to attack it's political enemies, uses executive orders to circumvent the constitution, lied about what happened in Benghazi, etc. to not abuse this policy? It's an end run around the 2nd Amendment, and they'll pack as many names as they can on the no fly list. Giving this power to any administration, much less the most corrupt administration I've seen in my lifetime is a non starter.
BK
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Already happening in many states as we speak.
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