Titan6
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If anything that would put it into the single shot category that the OP invented for bolt actions and lever actions.
controversy oh controversy...
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If anything that would put it into the single shot category that the OP invented for bolt actions and lever actions.
so, an argument would suggest me telling you you are wrong and I am right, I have not said anyone was wrong in their opinions, only judgemental and condescending in the majority of responses.... as far as what I Know or do not know about guns, well, who is looking for an argument now?
it is frustrating the argumentative tone that responders and even moderaters are replying...
Titan6
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how to "not" start an argument 101- 1. Start a thread "controversy oh controversy"
2. Make a false definition for a word that is constantly being thrown around in legislation
3. Pretend like you don't know what you are talking about
4. Complain that people are treating you like you are stupid
JImbothefiveth
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No, you load the next chamber when you pull the trigger. A semi-auto uses the energy from the cartridge.
AJM
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The OP is not asking what the accepted definition of a semi-auto pistol is, he is simply questioning how we categorize things. If I were to put a double action revolver and a DAO semi auto in a black box and had someone fire both, they would likely categorize them as the same thing. They pull the trigger and a bullet fires, every time. However, when you start pulling back the covers to see how they actually work, that is when you start to see that there are inherent differences between them. Thus the different categorization of them. The definitions of the categories help us communicate with each other when we talk in generalities about semi-autos vs. revolvers. However, where do you stop with the categorization? Do you get into numbers of rounds? Trigger action? Types of safeties? You have to stop when it no longer helps the conversation. If you take it to its logical extreme, the finest level would be serial number of the handgun. But it wouldn't help anyone here if I told you I owned a 54338 and a 62775. It's more helpful if I tell you I have a couple semi-autos and a revolver. If people know what I mean when I say that, then we're on our way to talking about something meaningful.
I was simply saying they are the ones that require more intervention than a trigger pull to fire a second time... not calling them true single shots, of course there is the exception of a double barrel with a double trigger, but lets not go there..
To be a semi-auto three things must happen AFTER the gun is fired:
From Wikipedia: "A semi-automatic, or self-loading firearm is a gun that after being fired, (1)ejects the empty round that has been fired, (2)loads a new cartridge, and (3)cocks itself. "
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From Wikipedia: "A semi-automatic, or self-loading firearm is a gun that after being fired, (1)ejects the empty round that has been fired, (2)loads a new cartridge, and (3)cocks itself. "
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A DAO is a semi-auto variant I guess you could say. It performed 2 of the three tasks AFTER firing the round.
Dictionary.com doesn't mention the auto cocking feature commonly associated with semi-autos.
"Ejecting a shell and loading the next round of ammunition automatically, but requiring a squeeze of the trigger for each shot."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semi%20automatic
The Revolver performs none of the three tasks after firing the round.
Dictionary.com doesn't mention the auto cocking feature commonly associated with semi-autos.
"Ejecting a shell and loading the next round of ammunition automatically, but requiring a squeeze of the trigger for each shot."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/semi%20automatic
The Revolver performs none of the three tasks after firing the round.
Justin
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DAO's are an abomination unto John Moses Browning (pbuh), and his prophet, Jeff Cooper. The Wikipedia article is right to omit them.
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so a DAO isnt a "real" semi-auto...it is a variant? alright...it is all so very clear now....
"real" was your wording, you incorrectly put quotes around it as if to imply that I wrote it. I said it could be considered a variant by the first definition I posted that required 3 things to happen after firing the round, the DAO gun only performed two of them. Any striker fired gun(glock, kahr, etc.) also falls in the same boat because it does not cock the hammer.
Depends on which of the two posted definitions you use. I have posted two for you. The second one is appllicable to the modern definetion now that we have striker fired and DAO guns. Do your own research and a bit of thinking on your own and stop being a pigheaded know it all. Oh wait, you didn't know what a semi-auto was...nevermind.
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453 posts in < 1 month...you've got way too much time on your hands. You are obviosly trolling for an argument. You have your answers now bug off.
so a DAO isnt a "real" semi-auto...it is a variant? alright...it is all so very clear now....
"real" was your wording, you incorrectly put quotes around it as if to imply that I wrote it. I said it could be considered a variant by the first definition I posted that required 3 things to happen after firing the round, the DAO gun only performed two of them. Any striker fired gun(glock, kahr, etc.) also falls in the same boat because it does not cock the hammer.
Depends on which of the two posted definitions you use. I have posted two for you. The second one is appllicable to the modern definetion now that we have striker fired and DAO guns. Do your own research and a bit of thinking on your own and stop being a pigheaded know it all. Oh wait, you didn't know what a semi-auto was...nevermind.
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453 posts in < 1 month...you've got way too much time on your hands. You are obviosly trolling for an argument. You have your answers now bug off.
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I posted what you wrote... Put quotes around "real" to emphasize it as incorrect (read an english book)... not to make it seem as though you wrote it...
I see no reason that the number of my posts is important.. does the fact that you only have 19 posts mean you are busy or make you unknowledgeable in guns or someone with 20,000 posts knows everything or has too much time on their hands..
as I recall, I started this post, respectfully asking opinions, people such as yourself (narrowminded, opinionated, and uninformed) have turned it into an argument rather than a discussion.
and I must know enough to prove your original definition to be incorrect without doing all this wonderful research of yours. now go about your busy day, I am sure you have much more important things to do with your time.
I see no reason that the number of my posts is important.. does the fact that you only have 19 posts mean you are busy or make you unknowledgeable in guns or someone with 20,000 posts knows everything or has too much time on their hands..
as I recall, I started this post, respectfully asking opinions, people such as yourself (narrowminded, opinionated, and uninformed) have turned it into an argument rather than a discussion.
and I must know enough to prove your original definition to be incorrect without doing all this wonderful research of yours. now go about your busy day, I am sure you have much more important things to do with your time.
The word "real" shows up nowhere in my posts. Please reference which post # it is in.
You can't say the definition is incorrect because you believe a DAO is a semi-auto. By the first definition(wikepedia) I posted it would not be considered a semi-auto(didn't cock hammer). By the second definition(dictionary.com) I posted it would be considered a semi-auto(hammer cock not required).
You did ask your question with an open mind. Your sarcasm about a DAO not being a real semi-auto and using that to try and say that I am wrong(I was providing researched quotes, try telling the source they are wrong) illustrates your bias already to what you think a semi-auto is....which is exactly what you were asking about
I posted two slightly different definitions for you. Do with them what you wish. I know what I think you should do with them.
You can't say the definition is incorrect because you believe a DAO is a semi-auto. By the first definition(wikepedia) I posted it would not be considered a semi-auto(didn't cock hammer). By the second definition(dictionary.com) I posted it would be considered a semi-auto(hammer cock not required).
You did ask your question with an open mind. Your sarcasm about a DAO not being a real semi-auto and using that to try and say that I am wrong(I was providing researched quotes, try telling the source they are wrong) illustrates your bias already to what you think a semi-auto is....which is exactly what you were asking about
I posted two slightly different definitions for you. Do with them what you wish. I know what I think you should do with them.
Dan Crocker
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Whoooooooooooo cares!
once again, I posted exactly what you wrote , this was your post
this was my post from the same thread
I never I didnt quote you as saying "real" used the quotes in that instance as emphasis!!! showing that the first definition posted excluded an accepted semi-auto.
The OP's premise is based on an incorrect definition of semi-automatic, but there actually have been two semi-automatic revolvers. The Webley-Fosbery and the Mateba. A spring in the frame caused recoil from firing the gun to cock the hammer and rotate the cylinder.
now that is interesting...
wonder how it would most appropriately be referred to... obviously, as this thread has shown.. calling it a semi-auto revolver doesnt work ,oxymoron it seems... I guess it is a revolving semi-auto..
thank you for your input MAKster and others.. I think it is time for this thread to be closed.
yeti
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If you are in a pitch dark room, and someone hits you over the head with a baseball bat, and then a frying pan, they would both hurt, therefore they must both be called frying pans.
stupidest thread I have ever read...but rather entertaining.
stupidest thread I have ever read...but rather entertaining.
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Justin
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Speaking as someone who actually owns a Mateba, it's generally referred to as a semi-automatic revolver.
Regardless of the existence of a couple of extremely rare hybrid semi-auto revolvers, it doesn't change the fact that a traditional DAO revolver is most assuredly not semi-automatic due to the blazingly obvious fact that they require manual input for them to complete each and every function.
deadin
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Are we out of troll food yet?
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