Sam Cade
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the wisdom of listening to his elders.
Sometimes there can be a negative correlation between age and wisdom.
the wisdom of listening to his elders.
If you really believe OC is superior, in any situation, specifically explain just one actual benefit that's exclusive to OC (EG, it applies to OC, and does not apply to concealed-carry).
I conceal carry, but if I were concerned about a road-rage encounter that I could not avoid, then I could certainly make the decision to reveal my holstered firearm or unholster it and get the same desired effect.PreMod70: I have had one encounter where I was happy I was wearing a OC firearm. It was a road rage incident years ago.
I pulled over to let this crazy driver pass andhe pulled in behind me, jumped out of his Jeep yelling and screaming at me on how I cut him off??? (On a two lane road????) Anyway he wanted me to step out and fight (much younger and in better shape). I declined, and as I was proceding to drive away he opens my door, and reaches in to pull me out of the car.
Bobson said:I'm willing to believe a situation exists in which OC is superior to concealed-carry, but I can't think of it. That being said, you should supply it for me, because you're the one advocating it. Saying "history has proved me wrong" is not an argument.
Captain Jerry Quan, the Commander for Precinct One, where the Wafflehouse is located, confirmed Matt Brannan's story as one in which the open display of a pistol deterred a well armed robbery crew.
PreMod70 said:Your logic suffers; if the badguys see a weapon and retreat to victimise another defenseless soul when CC would have the badguys facing armed resistance you have helped them hurt someone else. The idea of CC is that if enough people carry the bad guys don't know who's lethal and who's not thus protecting those without weapons. The only way OC works is when all are doing the same and who want's to live in Dodge City, not I.
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Unfortunately, the official Darwin Award for this seems to be screwed up, but I found it quoted in another thread here
There is a Snopes entry for it.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp
It actually backed up the story, which surprised me - I didn't think anyone was that dumb!
Personally, I'd weigh the pros/cons of each. OC and CC have benefits and drawbacks. How likely is it that you'll end up in a situation, based on where you live? Will the extra time it takes to get a gun out of CC plus the deterrent effect outweigh the attention from the public OC gets you? I don't know - I live in TX, not WA, but I've never seen someone OC in my town. My area is very safe, so I don't CC or OC... ah suburbia, where I stand as much chance of getting mugged as being attacked by a polar bear.
Is it just me or does anyone else think that someone living at home at 23 needing permission from momma to OC probably isn't mature enough to carry?
I'm still planning on starting soon, regardless of what she thinks, but I of course want my Mom to not worry about me. Anyone have any advice on what I can tell her?
kayak-man said:Skribs,
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Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
Is it just me or does anyone else think that someone living at home at 23 needing permission from momma to OC probably isn't mature enough to carry?
Is it just me or does anyone else think that someone living at home at 23 needing permission from momma to OC probably isn't mature enough to carry?
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Sorry, but my read is you're baiting yourself for some serious trouble if you think flashing a weapon is a proper response to danger; once you point and worst use that weapon your world changes forever and it is not for the good, no matter what the cowboys tell you. I feel you wish to do the right thing but I do hope you reconsider, give yourself another decade at least of experience, gain some S/D tactics and spend your time doing some good for yourself and family, not worrying them to death.
Your 7-11 senario is what will get you hurt in the real world, a badguy with a knife will see your OC and harpoon you while using your weapon to further continue his ploy. OC is showing your power in the S/D sense and makes you weaker, never stronger. A badguy will case an area before taking action and by showing your strength you are first on the badguys list of hits, the video's so popular today show inexperienced punk's making all kinds of mistakes, the badguy doesn't do this, you are the prey in his world and flashing heat around him is a big mistake. Go take yourself a good S/D course and see if you can find an instructor worth his salt that will tell you to OC; never happen.PreMod, it sounds more like you're baiting me by making that statement. I have said clearly that I am not going to flash my weapon the instant a red flag shoots up, because most of those are false alarms. I would only draw if I knew there was a clear danger present...which is the purpose of a self defense handgun.
Never said that Skribs should not be able to defend himself, rather, wish he would listen to his Mothers wisdom and carry CC. If you or him really wish to maximise your S/D skills you would never choose to OC. I guarantee you that if ever confronted by a real badguy your thoughts will change quickly. The OC carry runs the punks away, not the badguys; luckily the world is full of punks.So, a person should not carry to be able to defend themselves with until they are 33 years old?
Skribs came here, asked an honest question, evaluated the comments, wants to open carry for valid reasons, but wants to cause his mother to feel more comfortable with that. Seems to me like that shows a lot of maturity. Just because he chooses to carry in a way that some people don't like, including his mom, is no sign of immaturity or anything else, other than a person who has weighed the facts v. opinion v. theory v. fable and has chosen what he feels is best and most effective for him.
PreMod70 said:Your 7-11 senario is what will get you hurt in the real world, a badguy with a knife will see your OC and harpoon you while using your weapon to further continue his ploy.
PreMod70 said:OC is showing your power in the S/D sense and makes you weaker, never stronger.
PreMod70 said:A badguy will case an area before taking action and by showing your strength you are first on the badguys list of hits,
PreMod70 said:Never said that Skribs should not be able to defend himself, rather, wish he would listen to his Mothers wisdom and carry CC.
It's funny how everybody who agrees with your opinion is wise, and everyone else is a fool.