Cool hand at the ATM...

[Hardtarget]

My co-worker read in the Clarksville paper of an attempted ATM customer pobbery. Bg ran up ...knife out...demanding his card and money. Customer turned and responded..."I can't believe you brought a knife to a gun fight!" BG takes a look then runs off...customer did not shoot. The police were laughing about the whole thing.

If I can get a link I'll post it. I don't think I could be as "cool" in the same situation.
Mark.

 

[birddog]

If it's true, that guy HAS to be a member here.

Hilarious.

 

[gt3944]

Holy crap thats funny..

 

[Technosavant]

Do we even know if the customer displayed a firearm?

Either way, it's a good example of concealed carry helping prevent victimization of the populace. If he had one, it's a defensive use of a firearm. If not, it's the halo effect at work.

But a nice answer. Very nice.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

My co-worker read in the Clarksville paper of an attempted ATM customer pobbery. Bg ran up ...knife out...demanding his card and money. Customer turned and responded..."I can't believe you brought a knife to a gun fight!" BG takes a look then runs off...customer did not shoot. The police were laughing about the whole thing.

If I can get a link I'll post it. I don't think I could be as "cool" in the same situation.
Mark.

Let's see, that would be the Clarksville Leaf Chronicle, the only paper in Clarksville. Here is the link.
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/app...0129/NEWS01/601290341&SearchID=73234430490200

Mark's post sort of reads like events that people know in detail that happened to their neighbor dog's owner's 3rd neice's cousin by marriage older brother.

If Mark's friend really did get the story from the newspaper, then he embellished it.

No mention is made of the bad guy running up to the intended victim, just approaching.
No mention is made of the robber demanding the ATM card.
No mention is made if the intended victim actually having or drawing a gun. No mention is made of the police laughing.
And, the quote of the intended victim is wrong.

Otherwise, the story is spot on.

1. Clarksville police continue to look for suspects in a recent robbery and an attempted robbery on Madison Street.
The attempted robbery was at U.S. Bank on Madison Street Jan. 19, where a middle-aged man was approached at an automated teller machine around 6 a.m. by a man who brandished a knife and demanded money.

According to a police report, the victim replied: "Why did you bring a knife to a gunfight?"

The suspect, who was described as a 6 foot tall, 200 pound black man
wearing a black hooded sweatshirt, ran away without any money.

 

[armoredman]

I will be polite, and suggest that those living in the area may have heard more detailed information over the radio or television, prompting the embellishments which may have occured, but were not listed in the original story.

 

[Tequila_Sauer]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

 

[Kramer Krazy]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

Draw.....9 feet can be easily covered with a quick lunge (1-2 steps with arm extended). I'd rather be safe than sorry. If he was within arm's reach, I'd probably draw AND shoot.

 

[SJG26]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

Draw and double-tap; head-shot too if he doesn't fall fast enough!
Sorry- but a knife out at anything other than a "fish-filleting" demonstration gets an appropriate response!

 

[Sinsaba]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

Draw and continue to pull the trigger till he is no longer a threat.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I will be polite, and suggest that those living in the area may have heard more detailed information over the radio or television, prompting the embellishments which may have occured, but were not listed in the original story.

That is nice and all, but no mention was made of the story being heard locally on the radio. So you are giving the benefit of the doubt via events not known to you. And through such transgressions of information control, you end up with folklore, the story continuing to morph with time and people.

The original written and read story was a perfectly fine story without the need for embellishment.

 

[Shel]

in 50's instructional film mode...

What the customer should have done was:

Give him all the money, car keys, call 911... and cry.

Oh wait, that wasn't ILLINOIS.

 

[Geno]

I always use an "inside of a business" ATM

I refuse to use either a drive-up or worse yet a walk-up ATM.

In all seriousness, this reminds me of when I was managing the National Headquarters for the USTA, on Clinton Hwy., in Knoxville, TN. I was preparing to go home and the one new student, a local police officer, asked if I had emptied the pop machine. I responded, no, I think maybe 3 people bought pop today. He advised me that there were people there who, due to extreme poverty, might well destroy the machine even for $3.00! He told me ALWAYS carry your concealed weapon here at night when leaving even though the house was 1 and 1/2 blocks close.

I guess what I'm saying, is that thanks to a VERY proactive police officer, I was taught to be always prepared, and always be proactive.

This was a very cool post! Thank-you!

Doc2005

 

[TexasRifleman]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

9 feet? I'm shooting, probably several times. That's WELL inside the Tueller Drill distance and I probably won't get a second chance if I hesitate.

 

[JamisJockey]

Brings up an interesting SHTF issue. At an ATM, nobody around, BG comes up with a decent sized blade (not a kitchen utensil) is standing at a distance of 9 feet and demands the goods, do you show, threathen, or draw?

Throw ATM card/wallet/money to his feet and move off the line of attack. When he looks at the card, stoops to pick it up, draw and go from there.

 

[SSN Vet]

ATM = Target

Good thought provoking thread!

I use the ATM as infrequently as possible and check my back very carefully when I have to. Prefer the drive up ones....check doors locked and watch very carefully. If anyone approached on foot...I'm out of there.

I'm very concerned about my wife at the ATM machine. We live in small town USA...but that is changing fast.

 

[justashooter]

Throw ATM card/wallet/money to his feet and move off the line of attack. When he looks at the card, stoops to pick it up, draw and go from there.

no, no, no.
you have just passed your chance at a righteous shoot.
you have probably also saved yourself from:

watching a man writhe in agony and possibly die
loosing your carry peice, and possibly all other firearms you own
being grilled by the cops all night
being harrassed by a gung-ho civil rights oriented prosecutor
being considered by a grand jury for indictment
being tried in a court of law (hopefully not convicted)
being sued for everything you own and will make in the next 20 years by the "victim"
loosing your job while the above is transpiring


tough call. if the guy makes a threatening move, you have to shoot. if you can get him to leave without shooting, the atm camera makes him easy for the cops to find. if you make a mistake, the video also makes you easy to prosecute.
simple answer? do your banking in the daytime with everybody else.

 

[Darkness]

Draw, aim at BG, demand he drop his knife, then further demand that he hand over his ATM card, wallet and money.

 

[pluvo]

I like the way you think Darkness.

 

[foghornl]

I only use the ATM if I need cash RIGHT NOW.

Otherwise, I will wait untill next busines day.

Does remind me of a co-worker's report a couple of years back [before Ohio allowed CCW]. He was out-n-about, and needed some cash. So he went to his bank's ATM, but at a different branch. Was second in drive-up line, noticed car came in behind, doused lights, and he saw passenger door open. First car pulled away, so he moved up. Passenger squeezes in between his car and bank wall, got up next to co-worker's window, and gave the speech about "Gimme that wallet right now, Mo-Fo."

OK, says co-worker...cuts steering wheel hard left, then punches gas, rolling said miscreant down bank wall. BG Car driver burns rubber in reverse, leaves BG buddy in bank driveway. Co-worker cel-fones police, they arrive and haul downed miscreant away. Don't know if the Police ever found BG car driver.

 

[Hardtarget]

I tried to get the paper...it never showed. I just listened to the story as related to me.I will not relate any more of these third hand anything. Can't trust them...if it didn't happen to me, you won't hear it from me.
Mark.

 

[Sindawe]

Prefer the drive up ones....check doors locked and watch very carefully. If anyone approached on foot...I'm out of there.

Same here, its either a drive up ATM or one located with the open bank or business.

 

[Zach S]

One thing I hate about drive up ATMs is that they're designed for hondas or something. I can reach the buttons when I'm in my truck, and I can reach the slot where I put my card, however I cant quite reach down to get my money. Its not a big truck either, just a stock height 1990(?) F150 sitting on 31s.

I'll normally pull up at a 35 to 40 degree angle and leave my door open so that if need be, I can hop in my truck to get outta dodge. I dont have my mirrors to take advantage of, however I dont have glass and steel blocking my hearing either. Not to mention that someone would have to crawl under or over my truck to try to sneak up on me, and my pistol is more readily accessable if bad goes to worse.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

if the guy makes a threatening move, you have to shoot.

What do you call pulling a butcher knife? It's not exactly friendly, is it?

 

[Zundfolge]

Draw, aim at BG, demand he drop his knife, then further demand that he hand over his ATM card, wallet and money.

Wrong.

You draw, aim and fire ... you don't make any demands, you don't make any threats, you don't tell him anything.

A man can cover 21 feet in just under a couple of seconds. In the time it takes you to draw, aim and yell "Drop the..." he's started moving and has enough momentum that even if you drill him right between the eyes thus killing him instantly, you're still probably going to get stabbed.