Cop shoots/kills guy stealing her personal car

[HankB]

Didn't look through the whole thread, so this may have been said already . . . the theft and shooting took place at 1 AM.

Too bad this didn't occur in the Lone Star State. Under Texas law, shooting a thief at night is generally OK, as far as criminal law is concerned.

 

[Hobie]

...Under Texas law, shooting a thief at night is generally OK, as far as criminal law is concerned.

I guess jacklighting is illegal, right?

 

[Fred Fuller]

Well... she got lucky, or something darn near like it. Most likely the DA did not push for an indictment or there would have been one. Can't see too many grand juries going counter to the wishes of a DA. Bet it wouldn't happen that way to John Q. NC Concealed Handgun Permit Holder if all other circumstances were the same.

Somebody call a game warden, running off and leaving the windows down and keys in the ignition of a nice shiny SUV in a public parking lot ought to at least qualify as hunting over a baited field.

lpl/nc

 

[SSN Vet]

isn't a car a deadly weopon??

You may not be able to use deadly force to stop a property theft.....but does that mean you can't use non-deadly force???

i.e. physically put yourself inbetween robber and the door.....or stand in front of car.

Now...armed with a car (which is definately a deadly weopon), isn't she defending her own life?

Who is obliged to back down?

If your not obliged to back down in protection of your property and the BG is so determined to take your property away from you that he is willing to do you bodilly harm....now it's self defense.

One less BG enjoying three hots and a cot on the taxpayer doll, while getting a master's in crime.

Why do so many on this forum instinctively respond by bashing the LEO.

People who want to break the law should think twice.....and do so at the risk of their life.

People who want to protect their property should not have to shake in their boots because the state might lock them up.

Maybe the state should be more concerned with preserving law and order and punishing / surpressing evil doers, than rushing to protect their rights.

IMHO, if you chose to commit a crime...you just chose to forfeit your rights to be protected by the state.

 

[buzz_knox]

Why do so many on this forum instinctively respond by bashing the LEO.

IMHO, if you chose to commit a crime...you just chose to forfeit your rights to be protected by the state.

1. Why do you perceive this as bashing? What she did was, in the absence of physical danger to herself (there was no evidence that the thief was coming at her), use deadly force to secure her property. That's not an allowed use of deadly force in that state yet they chose not to indict. The point that's been made is that if she didn't have a badge, she would have gone down. It's not bashing to state that she is being treated as a superior class of human being because of her occupation.

2. Whether or not you choose to commit a crime is irrelevant to the issue of your rights being infringed by the state. The Bill of Rights was developed to insure that your rights would be protected until you were fairly convicted of a crime. That was to insure that the innocent wouldn't be unfairly convicted, as was common in that day and age.

By the way, I can pretty much guarantee you've committed at least one crime in the ordinary course of the day. Shall we strip you of your rights for that?

 

[gonzo_beyondo]

Sure are alot of interesting threads about LEO here recently.

I have ZERO problem with competent, law-abiding, honest Police Officers doing their job. None, nada, zero problem with those fine men and women. Further, I'll go on to state that it's a lousy job and they get lousy pay, for what they have to deal with. I respect the hell out of anyone risking their neck to keep us safe, and doing a good job.

Its the relatively few (I hope) who are Not doing a good job, that I have a problem with. But ya know, in my life... out of all my associations and interactions with people, there has always been a few arseholes... therefore, I expect to see that trend in LEO, military, and anyplace else.

What bothers me about this story is simple to summarize:

I work MY ASS OFF... to be able to purchase my things, and often I end up on the Mac & Cheese diet because of it. Life is a continuing struggle to keep my head above water... as every cost I have increases practically monthly, while my household income is lower now than it was 10 years ago!

Why I do Not have the RIGHT to defend my property, as I do my life, is something I cannot understand. Right, property isn't as valuable as "precious life"... so they say...

My life gets pretty damn uncomfortable as I struggle to own and drive and insure my housing, auto, etc... And the scumbag crackhead who never worked a day in his life, getting ahold of my car, is not justifiable to me. This POS is not a "precious life"... he's a leech and a detriment to society.

This Officer probably felt the same way. I can't fault her for that.

I am pretty pissed off that SHE CAN, and I CAN'T though!

That's a pretty big problem. Why can I not shoot a felon fleeing in my property? I have to wonder if I'd really even care, if I was ever put into that position... It would be very hard to restrain my lead.

 

[taliv]

in other news, some female police can shoot...

 

[k_dawg]

in more other news, cop held to a different standard, and is treated differently than you or I would be.

 

[Robert J McElwain]

The incident happened a 1 AM. It was dark, I'm sure it would have been difficult to see whether the perp was pointing a gun.

I know, if it had been my car being stolen, at that hour, I would have thought I saw a gun, and then it would have been self defense.

Bob

 

[ingram]

I love cops. Props to the cop with the flop to make the stop. I hope she ends up on top with a promotion hop.

 

[BostonGeorge]

The incident happened a 1 AM. It was dark, I'm sure it would have been difficult to see whether the perp was pointing a gun.

I know, if it had been my car being stolen, at that hour, I would have thought I saw a gun, and then it would have been self defense.

Bob

Wow.....just wow.

I suppose it would be ok for someone, much like myself, to shoot and kill you as long as the sun is down, because it was difficult to see whether you were pointing a gun or not?

 

[Robert J McElwain]

Wow.....just wow.

I suppose it would be ok for someone, much like myself, to shoot and kill you as long as the sun is down, because it was difficult to see whether you were pointing a gun or not?

That would depend on the proximity of one's IQ to ones shoe size.

Bob

 

[k_dawg]

Wow.....just wow.

I suppose it would be ok for someone, much like myself, to shoot and kill you as long as the sun is down, because it was difficult to see whether you were pointing a gun or not?

No, you are not an LEO... you'ld be serving around 15 years on death row, before they pump you full of chemicals and off you.

 

[bp78]

As a Raleigh resident, I'm just fine with the spirt of the law being enforced rather than the letter of the law.
Hopefully the outcome would have been the same had it been a CCP holder and not an officer.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=3843414

 

[Bruce333]

I love cops. Props to the cop with the flop to make the stop. I hope she ends up on top with a promotion hop.

Nope, no promotion. They fired her.

http://www.wral.com/news/6504308/detail.html

Raleigh Officer Fired After Investigation Of Off-Duty Shooting Death

POSTED: 4:10 pm EST January 27, 2006
UPDATED: 5:12 pm EST January 27, 2006

RALEIGH, N.C. -- A Raleigh police officer has been fired from her job after an internal investigation into the shooting death of a man as he tried to steal her personal vehicle.

Michelle Peele, who had been employed with the Raleigh Police Department since 1998, had been on administrative duties since she fatally shot Nyles Arrington as he allegedly attempted to steal her vehicle outside a Raleigh restaurant in August. A grand jury declined to indict her on charges related to the shooting on Tuesday.

The termination of Peele’s employment marked the end of the departmental investigation. No more details of the investigation are being released, citing state privacy laws.


Read The Raleigh Police Post-Shooting Report http://www.wral.com/news/4929771/detail.html

 

[megatronrules]

I think what some here are trying to say is that IF the officer was acting without cause then she should be fired and prosicuted. I don't having anything against cops and am not anti L.E. BUT I firmly believe that a cop who breaks the law SHOULD pay the same price you or I would for the same offense. If I caught someone stealing my cadillac and they tried to run me down and I shot them instead of jumping out of the way would I get away with it? Or should I have have stayed inside and let them take it?,after all it is insured.

My point is none of us were there and we don't know what exactly happened only she does. My point is cops do have alot more leway in these situations then any "joe citizen" does those are just the breaks (no pun intended) I guess. But she was fired so I guess the police felt she was to much of a liability I guess. Personally I would not kill someone over my car. If I saw someone through my window stealing my car I'd just call the police,unless they are a direct threat to me they are the cop's problem not mine.

 

[Riktoven]

Sure are alot of interesting threads about LEO here recently.

I have ZERO problem with competent, law-abiding, honest Police Officers doing their job. None, nada, zero problem with those fine men and women. Further, I'll go on to state that it's a lousy job and they get lousy pay, for what they have to deal with. I respect the hell out of anyone risking their neck to keep us safe, and doing a good job.

Its the relatively few (I hope) who are Not doing a good job, that I have a problem with. But ya know, in my life... out of all my associations and interactions with people, there has always been a few arseholes... therefore, I expect to see that trend in LEO, military, and anyplace else.

What bothers me about this story is simple to summarize:

I work MY ASS OFF... to be able to purchase my things, and often I end up on the Mac & Cheese diet because of it. Life is a continuing struggle to keep my head above water... as every cost I have increases practically monthly, while my household income is lower now than it was 10 years ago!

Why I do Not have the RIGHT to defend my property, as I do my life, is something I cannot understand. Right, property isn't as valuable as "precious life"... so they say...

My life gets pretty damn uncomfortable as I struggle to own and drive and insure my housing, auto, etc... And the scumbag crackhead who never worked a day in his life, getting ahold of my car, is not justifiable to me. This POS is not a "precious life"... he's a leech and a detriment to society.

This Officer probably felt the same way. I can't fault her for that.

I am pretty pissed off that SHE CAN, and I CAN'T though!

That's a pretty big problem. Why can I not shoot a felon fleeing in my property? I have to wonder if I'd really even care, if I was ever put into that position... It would be very hard to restrain my lead.

A - F***ing-Men !

Gonzo for President!

 

[LiquidTension]

The problem here is the same problem that we faced with eugenics and nazism. You want to get rid of the useless eaters? Then you will want to cull the race a little more, and a little more...etc. Pretty soon it will be a case of doing the job right and just getting rid of everyone who does not fit a specific profile.

Ah, there you go putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about getting rid of people that are worthless IMO, I simply stated that some people ARE worthless. Just because I don't place the same value on <insert whatever you like here> doesn't mean I want to abolish it, it just means exactly what I said - I don't value it as much. It was an opinion, not a plan to make the world a "better" place