LAPD shoot/kill on live TV

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Posted on Wed, Feb. 25, 2004








Fatal shooting by LA police during car chase under investigation

Associated Press


LOS ANGELES - Three police officers who shot and killed a burglary suspect at the end of a car chase that was broadcast live on TV stations remain on active duty, a police spokesman said Wednesday.

The district attorney's office and police are investigating the shooting as part of standard procedure. No action has been taken against Officers Manuel Solis, Arturo Ramirez and Carlos Ocegueda, police spokesman Jason Lee said.

Messages left for the officers at their respective substations were not immediately returned and the union that represents the officers declined to comment.

Police began chasing Nicholas Hans Killinger early Monday after he allegedly tied up a gas station attendant and stole $180.

After a 90-minute chase that was covered by television news helicopters, Killinger, 23, was shot by Los Angeles police in front of Santa Monica High School. He died about an hour later, authorities said.

"The suspect could have ended this situation at any time," Lt. Art Miller said. "But instead he chose to reverse his car into the officers."

Killinger's car rolled backward into two police vehicles after he couldn't complete a U-turn. The officers fired about 11 rounds into the rear window of his car.

A police spokeswoman, Officer Adriana Sanchez, said Wednesday that several of those shots hit Killinger. An autopsy conducted on Tuesday revealed that Killinger died of multiple gunshot wounds, said coroner's spokesman David Campbell.

Investigators noted prior to the autopsy that Killinger had at least 10 gunshot wounds, Campbell said.

At least two local news stations broadcast the shooting as it happened, and more than five aired footage.

Solis, 30, was awarded the Police Department's Medal for Valor after a 1998 shootout in which he helped his wounded partner to safety.

Police Chief William J. Bratton said investigators will conduct a separate investigation to determine whether the officers followed department guidelines. He has been trying to limit Los Angeles police from shooting at vehicles that pose a threat. Other departments, citing a danger to bystanders, have banned the practice.
 
11 rounds into the car, and the suspect had "at least 10" bullet wounds?

Pretty good shooting by the police, there, in an exciting situation, on a moving target, even if at close range.

-James
 
SECOND-GUESSING BY PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T

It seems that after every police shooting a lol of "Second-Guessing" goes on by people who weren't there at the time.

Same is true of non-police shootings, but maybe with a different perspective --- that of it being a justifiable / non-justifiable shoot.

I suggest we all take 30 minutes after reading this to review the law of self-defense vis-a-vis the use of deadly force.

Very Respectfully,
CAPTAIN MIKE
 
I watched it live.....

And was listening to the comments of the "talking Heads" on Fox News... When the perp stopped and kinda "fell" out of his car, the commentators were like "looks like the chase has ended." But I could have sworn I saw little puffs comming out ouf the officers guns. The coverage ended there because I think they thought he was getting cuffed and nothing else was going on....

Oh well. He chose to rob and run...... Good shoot in my book.
 
You saw the same thing I did outfieldjack. I had the boob tube on while I was catching up on "The High Road", and kept glancing at the chase. I was paying attention as the chase wound down, and saw the puffs from the officers weapons as they opened fire on the idiot. The goobers on the TV were still yacking away about the Martha Stewart trial and obviously thought the chase was now just old news. Meanwhile, I was yelling to my wife that I was sure that I had just seen a guy get blown away and the talking heads totally missed it. I guess the bad guy got what was coming to him, the cop's did a good job.
 
CHP officer almost got run over a couple years ago......8 or 12 rounds and the bad guy went down. Similar sort of case. Nothing new for the LAPD to have their actions on TV (I Watched the N.Hollywood shootout live on TV from LA).
 
Sounds like a good shoot to me....10 hits??? good shooting all around...I tend to hate High speed chases BTW...
 
as far as I'm concerned anyone that runs from the cops oughta end up dead.

I'm a little whacky like that though.
 
He has been trying to limit Los Angeles police from shooting at vehicles that pose a threat. Other departments, citing a danger to bystanders, have banned the practice.

:scrutiny: do they seriously mean that if someone tries to run over a cop, they aren't allowed to shoot the person? If I were a cop in that jurisdiction, I'd find a new place to work.
 
I stumbled across the live footage near the end of the chase, the fool is cruising all over the road, over the lines, crowding oncoming cars. Must have thought is was just another day on the couch playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.
Then at the end, he started to turn, stopped, squad car to the rear opens both doors, both officers with guns drawn, other police cars opening up. Then the subject car began rolling / backing towards the officers and I was very surprised the officers stayed positioned in the crook of their doors (NOT where I would stand if a car was reversing towards me). Saw three officers begin rapid-firing - the two in the lead car, and another on foot off the passenger front fener of the lead police car.
The heli-cam angle was high and off the passenger door, so the target wasn't very visible. Saw the gunsmoke from the police weapons, saw the glass exploding forward from the target windshield. The driver had either simultaneously opened his door, or had intended to bail from car after contact made. Instead he slumped / fell to the ground.

Glad a crook is dead. But I'm curious why the police did not pummel the ???? out of his tiny car (with theirs) while he was broadside on a tiny unoccupied street.
With a different approach, it might not have wound up with a shooting.
BUT all the wrong choices were made by the criminal. HE put himself in the coffin.

/morning-after quarterbacking
 
FWIW, here in SOFla, most departmental SOP's state that it's against policy to fire into/from a moving vehicle (citing safety of bystanders, and possible hidden passengers as their main reasons).

One large metropolitan police force (which will remain nameless) adopted a "no pursuit" policy whereby if a chase goes into a residential neighborhood, the units involved are to immediately slow down, breaking off if it happens to be that way, so as to not endanger those same bystanders.

They may have stopped enforcing that policy... I haven't kept up.
 
When I saw the video I thought I saw about four or so puffs of smoke around the back of the driver's door on the perp's car. I was puzzled that no one else mentioned them. Seem too far away to the smoke from police weapons.
 
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