During the LA riots almost everyone with a gun had it on them. A cop friend said they saw plenty of non-gang bangers with guns in their cars and didn't bother them at all. Koreans where voting from the roof tops without an arrest. Conseal well but make ready....
Retired Cop Charged With Illegal Possession of a Handgun After Killing Carjacker !!!
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If this is true, LEOs should get together and have a few words with their lobbying organizations.
I'm not saying that cop lobbies and unions should all push for CCW or other pro-gun legislation, but not supporting every single anti-gun bill that comes along would be a wonderful start.
Nathaniel Firethorn
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45 days is warp speed. I had to wait 73 for my card. Many go longer before reaching for the lawyerphone.
The statute specifies a time limit of 30 days, but Frank Lautenberg and Jim McGreasy have both demonstrated how much the law means in PRNJ when the wishes of the Democratic Party lie in the balance. :banghead:
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Wolfy
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He was licensed in NY and carrying in NJ so the LEO broke the law he should be held accountable to the law like the rest of us not taken out for drinks abd given a pat on the back.
Just for the record here are the NJ gun laws from the NRA site for all you folks that reside in FREE America. Please note NJ's Constituition DOES NOT have a provision for the right to bear arms. So we are not even entitled to this right and it could be taken away at any time this guy should have known what he was exposing himself to and if he didn't ignorance is not an excuse.
PS I forgot to include the link to the NRA State laws notice NJ citizens do not have a constitutional right to own guns:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NJ
Just for the record here are the NJ gun laws from the NRA site for all you folks that reside in FREE America. Please note NJ's Constituition DOES NOT have a provision for the right to bear arms. So we are not even entitled to this right and it could be taken away at any time this guy should have known what he was exposing himself to and if he didn't ignorance is not an excuse.
PS I forgot to include the link to the NRA State laws notice NJ citizens do not have a constitutional right to own guns:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=NJ
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standingbear
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should be like that everywhere and it should apply to everyone.
just think of the deterrant...just think of the money saved.
Iron Mike
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Dot-mdb you said loaded mag.s =loaded gun. I'm curious, what about loaded speedloaders? any info would be appreciated......Mike
harpethriver
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Iron Mike,
I have searched through all of the material I have on my computer and I can't find a reference for loaded mags. So maybe you can transport loaded mags. I did find this at the FAQ for the NJ State Police:
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Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.
Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/faq.html#firearms
I have read through pages of the laws until my head was spinning from the lawyer speak. It is obvious that the intention is to never allow a person to defend himself. And that doesn't only apply to firearms. If you live in NJ you are required by law to be a defenseless victim.
Bill
I have searched through all of the material I have on my computer and I can't find a reference for loaded mags. So maybe you can transport loaded mags. I did find this at the FAQ for the NJ State Police:
A6.
Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.
Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/faq.html#firearms
I have read through pages of the laws until my head was spinning from the lawyer speak. It is obvious that the intention is to never allow a person to defend himself. And that doesn't only apply to firearms. If you live in NJ you are required by law to be a defenseless victim.
Bill
Okay guys, more updates.
In New Jersey one CAN use an illegally possessed weaon for legitimate self defense purposes. See NEW JERSEY V RONALD J. HARMON, APPELLATE DIVISION, JUNE 21, 1985.
Secondly, I suspect many "good" people walk around packing in NJ without carry permits.
Now, the bad guys in this particular case have to look forward to the following charges:
1. Felony murder (30 full years at Trenton State Prison)
2. Attempted murder
3. Robbery and carjacking
4. Conspiracy
5. Racketeering
6. Possession of a weapon
7. Possession of a weapon for unlawful purposes
8. Illegal possesion of a weapon
9. Possession of dum-dum bullets
10. Possession of a weapon by a felon
11. Aggravated assault
12. Aggravated assault by auto
13. Aggravated assault by a firearm
14. Possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle
15. Possession of stolen car keys
16. A few other laws here and there.
Now if you were the Essex County Prosecutor who would you go after - the living 4 mutts or the Good Guy who has a mere paperwork violation?
Do you think that the Good Guy will testify against the bad guys if he gets convicted? Do you think the Prosecutor will put 4 carjackers back on the street just so he can go after the Good Guy?
The GG will probably lose his .40 cal. However, I'd chip in to buy him a new one.
In New Jersey one CAN use an illegally possessed weaon for legitimate self defense purposes. See NEW JERSEY V RONALD J. HARMON, APPELLATE DIVISION, JUNE 21, 1985.
Secondly, I suspect many "good" people walk around packing in NJ without carry permits.
Now, the bad guys in this particular case have to look forward to the following charges:
1. Felony murder (30 full years at Trenton State Prison)
2. Attempted murder
3. Robbery and carjacking
4. Conspiracy
5. Racketeering
6. Possession of a weapon
7. Possession of a weapon for unlawful purposes
8. Illegal possesion of a weapon
9. Possession of dum-dum bullets
10. Possession of a weapon by a felon
11. Aggravated assault
12. Aggravated assault by auto
13. Aggravated assault by a firearm
14. Possession of a firearm in a motor vehicle
15. Possession of stolen car keys
16. A few other laws here and there.
Now if you were the Essex County Prosecutor who would you go after - the living 4 mutts or the Good Guy who has a mere paperwork violation?
Do you think that the Good Guy will testify against the bad guys if he gets convicted? Do you think the Prosecutor will put 4 carjackers back on the street just so he can go after the Good Guy?
The GG will probably lose his .40 cal. However, I'd chip in to buy him a new one.
Waitone
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Help me understand sumptin'. How come it is the BG's had the guns then proceeded to use the guns when they were violatin' sooo many state laws? Obviously something is wrong here. Existence of laws should have prevented crime.
I just have a brief on the HARMON case, given to me by my lawyer when I sat down with him to review NJ laws of self defense. I do not believe it is published on the web.
Basically HARMON used an illegally possessed weapon for self defense at an amusement park in Union-Mountainside, NJ. No shots were fired and the situation was defused. Basically brandishment ..... which is not specifically covered by NJ law. However HARMON made the mistake of not retreating from the altercation as required by NJ law.
The trial judge in Elizabeth failed to tell the jury to consider self defense and the appellate court took note of it.
Basically HARMON used an illegally possessed weapon for self defense at an amusement park in Union-Mountainside, NJ. No shots were fired and the situation was defused. Basically brandishment ..... which is not specifically covered by NJ law. However HARMON made the mistake of not retreating from the altercation as required by NJ law.
The trial judge in Elizabeth failed to tell the jury to consider self defense and the appellate court took note of it.
Iron Mike
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thanks
Dot-mdb.... thank you for the info as well as your time.Cant wait till I'm outta here, to move to a state where a citizen with an absolutley clean record can by law protect himself and his loved ones.
Dot-mdb.... thank you for the info as well as your time.Cant wait till I'm outta here, to move to a state where a citizen with an absolutley clean record can by law protect himself and his loved ones.
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