Cop shoots/kills guy stealing her personal car

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1. you my not value your or someone's car but some of us work long and hard for what we have and the though of some dirtbag (oops is this one of the "groups who is perhaps not present") to simply take it. making "life easier for criminals just don't make sense.
2. if my choices are to live in the most run down trailer park in texas or a mansion in san francisco, show me the trailer park! :neener:
 
You know, I can agree with making it legal to shoot to kill to protect property . . . as long as we make killing someone because you mistook that person as a thief a capital offense. In other words, you shoot someone you thought was a thief and they weren't, and you get the chair, needle, firing squad, whatever.

Don't think such a mistake could happen? Well, I and many I've known have done the "hey, what are you doing" thing when it came to seeing our car drive off, only to discover that it wasn't our car just a look a like. And I've also tried to enter my car, only to discover that it was an identical car. (By the way, you'd be surprised to learn just how many different cars that key you have will fit). I'd hope that the person who killed me over a mistake would soon follow me in death.

Yes, we've worked long and hard for our possessions. It's disgusting when they are taken away. It's even more disgusting when people are killed to prevent their theft.

Sorry. I value my property greatly. But not so greatly that I would kill another person to defend it, with the caveat that I'd have no hesitation to drop someone committing arson on a home/business, as that shows a desire to destroy everything a person has, and such subhumans don't deserve the slightest quarter. I have no compunctions about killing to save the innocent; I have no desire to kill someone over a TV, a car, what have you.
 
He -the deceased- steals a car. Later does a hit and run, kills someone or uses car in a armed robbery and while fleeing runs a red light and kills somerun in the 'GREEN' better [worse] 'yet' drives into a bunch of school kids crossing the street on their GREEN going to school...

Srry but I am tired of thieves putting YOU, ME AND FAMILY AT RISK or in FEAR.

And those of you who empathize with the thief are somewhat accountable for your tolerance and acceptance of such behavior...maybe the first time he stole money out of his Dad's billfold...if Dad had spanked his azz or made him totally and completely accountable...he might not have stolen or tried to steal a car. Thus he'd be with his family this Labor Day...


Now substitute the car with one of 'YOUR' guns....duh..

If I was Bill Gates or Warren Buffet...she'd get a 10-mil for her defense and so would any one of you in the same circumstance....
 
Mike, I understand your frustration, but please be aware the law takes a dim view of deadly force being used to defend property. Property may be replaced, human life may not. The law being an expression of the majority via the representational process.

It is one thing to vocalize sentiments such as "shoot the b*****d!"; however, as responsible gun owners committed to good citizenship as we all are here, we should remember there is always Problem #2, what happens next.

I see nothing to sustain a self-defense claim. If so the officer should be prosecuted for murder. However, I am well aware that the media has very little idea what it is talking about in reporting incidents of these sort. Wait and see.
 
I took a traditional Japanese martial art for many years. One day at a seminar, I witnessed a question asked of the second highest ranked non-Japanese in that art. Bud Malmstrom was asked if he would kill someone who mugged him for his wallet. Bud's answer was,"No, I would not for there is nothing in my wallet worth a human being's life."

I disagreed with Bud, publicly and vocally. My response was this,"I would kill that mugger, if possible, even if my wallet was empty. While I agree that there is nothing in my wallet worth a human being's life...there is another value that is pertinent here. I would kill him not for the money he was attempting to steal but the fact that he had initiated aggression against me. Aggression even if he had not touched me. I have the right to walk down the sidewalk in peace and without fear. I will maintain that right."
 
Carry: Some of us probably disagree with your definition of "human" life. ;)

Doc: Too bad that you lived under a South American dictatorship. I don't believe, however, that information is germane to this discussion.
 
Wow. So Byron, you believe that just a good arse kicking would be insufficient to teach your mugger a lesson ? I don't believe that crime should go unpunished, but I also think that there should be a sense of scale to the deterrent. Workwise I have been in quite a few fights (none of which I've instigated BTW), in most I prevailed, in some, as my ruggedly handsome nose bears witness, i got a bit of a kicking. But I've never felt compelled to kill any of those individuals even though they may be screaming that they're going, amongst other things, to kill me. Might happen one day, but should I, to be on the safe side, kill each of them first ?

Mike Snr... you need a caboose on that "what if" train of thought, it's exactly the same hysteria whipping "but think of the children" nonsense that the anti gunners use. Might as well ask what if he steals the car, goes to jail, finds God, becomes a doctor and finds a cure for cancer that one day saves your life.

You know, some criminals come from good homes and good families, they're not necessarily bred by scoundrels and ne'erdowells. How would you feel if it was your child/ brother/sister/father who got killed for taking a car or wallet ? "Good, they deserved to die" ?
 
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My response was this,"I would kill that mugger, if possible, even if my wallet was empty. While I agree that there is nothing in my wallet worth a human being's life...there is another value that is pertinent here. I would kill him not for the money he was attempting to steal but the fact that he had initiated aggression against me. Aggression even if he had not touched me.
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If the mugger is pointing a gun at me.....Hmmmm. I would try and shoot him if I had the opportunity. If he did not give me the chance and ran away with my wallet, I would not be able to shoot him in the back without going to jail- and I probably would not shoot anyway since my life was no longer in jeopardy. If he threatened me with a knife or other weapon I just might give him a chance to surrender...maybe not- depends on what my instincts were telling me at that moment (and how close he was etc.). I am much more concerned about my family than I am about myself. Someone is absolutely going to get blasted by me for any transgression if I feel my wife or daughter is at risk. I would not think twice. But driving away in my car? No.
 
I think we need a Federal law allowing the shooting of all fleeing felons caught in the act. This would seriously cut down crime.

If it saves just one innocent life......

It's for the Children....
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And also save many of our tax dollars... :D
 
Hope his family can somehow find a means to survive off of what they will get in a lawsuit against her and the restaurant that made the mistake of hiring her.

if this guy was stealing other peoples property to support his family then he
deserves what he got.thats whats supposed to happen when you try to take other peoples stuff. thats what he would get if he was trying to take my property and to hell with him and his kind.

#1 with a bullet! :cuss:
 
You know, some criminals come from good homes and good families, they're not necessarily bred by scoundrels and ne'erdowells.
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I just cant go bleeding heart on this one; I hate thieves. I have been ripped off more than once. I stand by the not killing someone for stealing but I am not going get all sentimental on criminals. Anyway, what does that statement really have to do with anything? Stay on topic please.
 
You know, some criminals come from good homes and good families, they're not necessarily bred by scoundrels and ne'erdowells.
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This is an oxymoron.
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Why?

My late father was one of three brothers. My father and his younger brother held honest, steady jobs for their entire working lives, earned an honest but moderate income, and retired to die peacefully.

My father's older brother, on the other hand, was a con artist for as long as I was old enough to understand right from wrong. According to my parents, he was even a scam artists (black market) while serving in WW2, while my father was freezing his posterior shepherding convoys through the Himalyas from India into China. My uncle was incredibly sociable, the life of any party, extremely handsome .. and apparently had an aversion to "work." My parents were very careful when he was visiting (he lived in another state) to always pre-brief social friends with whom my uncle was likely to come into contact.

I do not consider my grandfather and grandmother to have been either scoundrels or ne'erdowells. Where's the oxymoron?
 
Kindly don't tell me to stay on topic if you simply can't be bothered to read to the end of the paragraph. What was bleeding heart ? I was replying to the comments stating that car thieves and muggers deserve to be killed and asking that if it were one of your kin that was getting the bullet, would you be so cavalier with that life. It was prefaced by the comment alluding that most crime is the result of an individual making very poor decisions for themselves, not the result of poor parenting or environment, so don't think that someone you care about might one day be despatched for threatening Mr Quick. I stated that the punishment should fit the crime. If you rob me I will break every bone in both your hands, if you rape my wife I will insert something large, blunt and possibly covered in barbed wire up your rectum, if you play loud music outside my house at 3am I will, fairly politely, make you turn it down. I am unlikely to kill you.
 
Why?
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Where's the oxymoron?
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Evil begets evil. Dirtbags beget dirtbags. It's just the way it is. I watched 'generational crime' for many years working in a correctional institution. In generality, criminals come from environments that allow criminality to take root and germinate. Occasionally, a good family has a social burp and churns out a sociopath, but in general, bad people don't come from good homes.

The fact that no one in your family ever turned in Uncle Con-artist, and simply let him continue in his criminal ways lends credence to my theory. All that is neccessary for the triumph evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmond Burke
 
now that sounds like a liberal statement, that people simply can't help becoming criminals because of their environment. How many rapists are following in their father's footsteps do you reckon ? How many murderers outside of organised crime families ?

"Anyway, what does that statement really have to do with anything? Stay on topic please." uh huh....... :rolleyes: must have imagined that then.......
 
For years, America has held educators under the public looking glass for alleged incompetence. Now we have higher than ever standards. Progress there is being made. I think it's high time to have national standards for police. Require at least a B.S./B.A.; a minimum GPA of 3.0 or higher; required to pass state exams. with a score of 95% or higher. Then, they should have to complete at least 6 Grad. Hrs. every 5 years and serve at least 4 years employment probation. Those were the standards for me to be an educator.
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A cordial question, sir or ma'am...

Do you even know what a person has to go through to be hired as a police officer?

Are you aware of how long the selection process takes?

Do you know the average education level of the average street cop?
 
now that sounds like a liberal statement, that people simply can't help becoming criminals because of their environment. How many rapists are following in their father's footsteps do you reckon ? How many murderers outside of organised crime families ?
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Maybe you need to take your pills? You are not making a bit of sense.
 
A cordial question, sir or ma'am...

Do you even know what a person has to go through to be hired as a police officer?

Are you aware of how long the selection process takes?

Do you know the average education level of the average street cop?
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I would bet money you are going to tell us all about it eventually.
 
M-Rex stated "Evil begets evil. Dirtbags beget dirtbags. It's just the way it is. I watched 'generational crime' for many years working in a correctional institution. In generality, criminals come from environments that allow criminality to take root and germinate"

to which i replied

"now that sounds like a liberal statement, that people simply can't help becoming criminals because of their environment."

Again it's only my opinion, Carry'in, but I believe that blaming an "environment" for a persons criminal behavior is quite a "liberal" point of view...

funnily enough, I was broadly in agreement with your earlier postings.....

cheers
 
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