Couple more engraved Pietta's

[CraigC]

Got the Remington for Christmas and bought the 1851 .44 later with my Cabela's Club Visa points. I thought the Remington was going to be stainless but it's nickel plated. Shamefully, I have yet to shoot either. Snapped some pics this afternoon minutes before the rain started so the lighting was exactly perfect. It ain't hand-cut engraving but for the money, these are nice sixguns. This makes five of the "engraved" Pietta percussion guns. I'd like to have a couple of their laser engraved SAA's.

 

[CraigC]

Interestingly, the new 1851 .44 has the same steel grip frame as the .36 London model.

 

[expat_alaska]

Q About Rebated Cylinders

I seem to think that all rebated cylinders/recessed water tables for 1851 Navies are .44 caliber.

Then, what the heck is this?

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoo...ssories/_/N-1100207/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_104218380

I have a Pietta 1851 Navy steel .36 2014 [CM] that has no rebated cylinder and no cut water table. I thought that was for the faux .44 Confederate pistols.

Please enlighten me.

Jim

 

[dickydalton]

I seem to think that all rebated cylinders/recessed water tables for 1851 Navies are .44 caliber.

Then, what the heck is this?

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoo...ssories/_/N-1100207/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_104218380

I have a Pietta 1851 Navy steel .36 2014 [CM] that has no rebated cylinder and no cut water table. I thought that was for the faux .44 Confederate pistols.

Please enlighten me.

Jim

I'd say the picture is wrong and the editor will hear it.

 

[Old Fuff]

Pietta seems to be well into making "fantasy" revolvers, that were never made during the 19th Century. They're is nothing wrong in doing this except it may sometimes cause some confusion.

Colt's 1851 Navy Model was the basis the 1860 Army. The only difference between the two frames was that the 1851 and 1861 models were made with non-rebated cylinders chambered in .36 (actually .37) caliber, and the frames had unaltered water tables.

The 1860 had rebated cylinders, modified water table, and was exclusively chambered in .44 (actually .45).

Remington also had two frame sizes with straight (not rebated) cylinders, with the smaller being chambered in .36 and the larger - and more common - New Army model in .44 (actually .45).

So far it seems that Pietta seems to have made all of their Remington revolvers on the larger frame, and cylinder, but chambered in either .36 or 44 depending on the particular (more or less) model.

As a consequence I have a New Model Army - imported by Lyman - that is a .36 caliber.

With the arrival of fantasy guns you may encounter anything.

As a side note: If someone wanted to make up an especially accurate New Model Army they could buy a .36 cylinder and have it line-bored to match a custom .45 barrel for less money then importing one of the extra high priced European-made target-grade guns.

 

[Crawdad1]

Great collection of engraved revolvers CraigC!!! I'm not usually a Remington fan but that one is outstanding.

Did you ever take look at the Uberti factory engraved Remington that was floating around the auction sites a few months back?

 

[RCampb6131]

A few more.

Here are my engraved ones.

 

[CraigC]

Personally, I love the 1851 .44's, regardless of their historical accuracy. A big bore Colt single action with an octagon barrel is hard to beat!

Then, what the heck is this?

I agree it's probably the wrong picture. The only .36cal cylinder that would be rebated would be a five-shot for the small frame Pocket Navy or Police.

If someone wanted to make up an especially accurate New Model Army they could buy a .36 cylinder and have it line-bored to match a custom .45 barrel for less money then importing one of the extra high priced European-made target-grade guns.

You've obviously never priced that kind of work. Lineboring is an expensive, time consuming process. It'd probably be cheaper to buy the Euro model but a linebored custom with a premium barrel would probably have an edge in accuracy. The only problem would be finding someone to do that with a Pietta percussion gun.

Did you ever take look at the Uberti factory engraved Remington that was floating around the auction sites a few months back?

I didn't see it, how much did it go for?

Here are my engraved ones.

Nice! I especially like the Navy at the far left. I never expected to like the gold cylindered guns until my wife bought me two of them.

 

[Crawdad1]

Craig, with its date code stamp it was made in 1970 and as the description said its was hand engraved at the Uberti factory. It sat for months without any offers and all of a sudden disappeared from the 2 auction sites it was listed on. I don't know what happened to it.

 

[Crawdad1]

The only problem would be finding someone to do that with a Pietta percussion gun.

I think Hoof Hearted who posts here would do that kind of work.

http://www.cartridgeconversion.com/

He hasn't posted here for awhile though hoping everything is OK with him or his family.

 

[Bigdog57]

I have been seeing this term, "water table". What is it, in respect to the c&b handguns?

 

[CraigC]

I follow HH on Facebook and he's alive & well. Somehow I doubt that he is equipped to do lineboring.

The "water table" is the line formed by the frame, where it meets the bottom of the cylinder. This is the only difference in frames between the 1851/1861 and 1860. The water table of the 1860 was machined to allow for a cylinder slightly larger in diameter in its front half. The cylinder is often referred to as "rebated" but technically, it's not rebated at the rear, it's enlarged at the front.

 

[WestKentucky]

I love the looks of that remington. I may need to get one of those.

 

[bannockburn]

RCampb6131

Like the look of the 1851 Navy on the far left; love the ivory grips!

CraigC

Very nice collection as well; the engraving on the Remington looks great.

 

[dickydalton]

This one is OK and shoots good.

 

[Bigdog57]

Craig, thanks for the explanation! I learn something new everytime I read this forum!
My only engraved C&B pistol is my Pietta 1851 Navy Sheriff Model, nickeled with gold cylinder, hammer and trigger. It has a light and simple engraving, likely laser etched I think. Looks quite nice compared to the 'plain vanilla' revolvers, but obviously not to the quality of the examples in this thread! A nicely engraved 1851 Navy or 1860 Army is a work of art!