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Coyotes Threaten Shoppers in AZ

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rc135, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. rc135

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    COYOTES THREATEN GROCERY SHOPPERS. Phoenix, AZ: Wary customers at North Valley grocery stores keep a watchful eye after several shoppers were recently threatened by three brazen coyotes. The animals were killed after they were trying to snatch white grocery bags from customers at a Fry's supermarket at Tatum Road and Cave Creek Road. "Coyotes are very smart animals," said Kriselle Colvin with Arizona Game & Fish. "Once they know where food source is, they know white bags have food in them, so they'll go up and grab them," Colvin said.

    One of the biggest reasons for the problem is well-meaning people feeding them, Colvin said. In the Biltmore area a few years ago, a woman was buying rotisserie chickens from the store and leaving them out for the coyotes.

    Elsewhere, coyotes have made themselves at home in Kathy St. Hilaire's North Valley neighborhood. "We see them walking up and down streets down subdivisions, in front of houses looking for food," she said. Wildlife officers said they field complaints every week about people feeding wildlife all across the Valley and it's usually because they think the animals are hungry. But if coyotes learn to expect food from people, it could make them dangerous to children and small pets, Colvin said. "I don't even know if there's such a thing as a starving coyote," Colvin said. "I mean, all these are very well fed and there are plenty of food sources. Golf courses have rabbits for them to eat." It's against the law in Arizona to feed any wildlife with the exception of birds and tree squirrels. Violators could fined $300. (Copyright 2007 by KPHO.com. All rights reserved).


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  2. ArmedBear

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    Behind every "wildlife problem" it seems there really is a problem with one or more human idiots.
     
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    Amen to that. We have several screwballs at my company that are guilt of the same, feeding our ever-exploding population of stray cats.
     
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    We need to organize a gun drive for Arizona!:D
     
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    Coyotes are really smart. I've seen them stand in the middle of the highway, people will stop (to not run them over), and every couple cars throws some treat out the window.
     
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    Amen to that. We have several screwballs at my company that are guilt of the same, feeding our ever-exploding population of stray cats.

    From my experience, having a few Coyotes around would help solve the stray cat problem.:evil:
     
  7. ArmedBear

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    They're dogs. They're not domesticated, of course, and likely can't be.

    However, the behavior of your pet dog is a clue. Give your dog a treat in some situation, and he/she will be back for a treat next time the situation repeats. If you give your dog pieces of popcorn when you watch a DVD on one occasion, the dog WILL be sitting right there waiting, next time you pop in a movie.

    Coyotes are no different. People are TRAINING them to wait for grocery shoppers. It's not rocket science.
     
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    Coyotes are no different. People are TRAINING them to wait for grocery shoppers. It's not rocket science.

    Armedbear and Pavlov are right! :D
     
  9. Noxx

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    While I agree, I doubt coyotes would go over very well with our guests.
     
  10. JesseL

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    I think that coyotes, much like pigeons or seagulls, are opportunists. Even if people aren't deliberately feeding them they'll make themselves a nuisance.

    Unless you you make things actively hostile for them all the time, they're likely to try to get away with everything they can.
     
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    .......stupid is as stupid does.

    How disconnected from nature can people get....and they do this thinking that it somehow connects them to nature.

    My wife rented the DVD about whats-his-name (Mr. Bear Bait) the nut job who lived with and "protected" the Grizzley bears up in Kodiak, Alaska....the guy who was eaten alive (along with his girlfriend) by a bear.

    The guy doing the documentary interviewed the native American curator of a wild life museum about Mr. Bear Bait and his response was very insightfull.

    The curator said that from the Induit perspective, there is a distinct line between the domestic world and the wild world, and that Mr. Bear Bait disrespected the natural order (and the creator of that order) when he crossed the line to become "friends" with the wild bears.

    I think feeding coyotes falls into the same catagory.
     
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    We had a similar problem at the Weapons Support Directorate, Pacific Missile Test Center, Point Mugu, CA. The director, a Navy captain, said he would fire anyone who left food out for the stray cats. The problem went away.

    Pilgrim
     
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    In Northampton, MA some maroon recently grabbed a young coyote that "looked sick" to take to the vet! Needless to say, said maroon was bit by the coyote. The authorities had to kill the coyote to ascertain whether it had rabies and the maroon was shocked, shocked at this unintended outcome. He was cited for moving a wild animal--a criminal offense here.

    There was much angst in Northampton over this tragic outcome and last I heard the state was planning to relocate the surviving members of this orphaned family of coyotes.

    This area is moon bat central.

    BTW, the police just tranquilized a bear that wandered through downtown Amherst (which is a very busy college town). I'm guessing this bear was used to being fed by the usual suspects. This kind of thing has become quite common in this area.
     
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    and i thank him. :D
     
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    What's doubly sick about this is that this woman can afford to buy these rotisserie chickens, and she feels the need to feed animals, but she feeds coyotes rather than going to the pound and adopting a few actual domesticated pet dogs that otherwise are killed by the pound.

    If someone wants to have pets, there are pets to be had -- domesticated animals that will give love back to humans, and who need humans to survive.
     
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    Not one to do the "+1" thing, I felt the need to reinforce these sentiments.
     
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    Not one to do the "+1" thing, I felt the need to reinforce these sentiments.

    +2 I recently adopted a Choc Lab from a no kill shelter. Dog was turned loose by his A**bag owner because he had food alergies and he didn't want to deal with it.:cuss: Great dog!
     
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    Both of my pups are adopted from shelters, and both of them are a light in our lives.

    Our youngest was dumped at the park at 12 weeks of age, click the link in my sig to have a look at her and just wonder who would do such a thing.
     
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    Noxx, great pics! Good lookin' pups!
     
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    Three? I thought coyotes hunted alone or in mated pairs?
    Also, coyotes weigh what, 40 to 60 lbs? How much of a threat are they to a healthily adult human? Can you throw rocks, shout, jab a pointed stick to drive them away, like you (usually) can to drive dogs away? I don't know I'm just asking.
     
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    i've had many dogs....the latest 2 being a p'riacan rescue ( love me ) squirril catching mutt & a pure bread (sic) aussie shepard. Rescued the aussie at 1 yr of age from , a-hemm--numbnutz who pretty much ruined the animal. She has made my way into heaven cause I am sure nipper is of the devil spawned. And yup......she knows dvd's = treats.

    LaE....as an aside, dog muscle is 3 or more times strenght of human per pound....racoon is 2x dog fdx gorrilis..................unknown
     
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    A crab-eating research monkey weighs 45lbs, and will tear your tuchus UP.

    Can a coyote kill a healthy adult? Probably not, but when they've lost their fear of humans, they are certainly a threat.
     
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    LaEscopeta, coyotes are smart enough to hunt in whatever numbers it takes. Around here, three seems common, especially if the coyotes are trying to fool domestic dogs.

    Coyotes are smart enough to know they can't take on a large dog by themselves, so one or two will distract the dog so the others can come up from behind.

    I watched three coyotes trying that with my two dogs about 175 yards away one morning. Fortunately, one of the coyotes came in contact with a small high speed object* that ended his career, and discouraged the other two. Barely missed one of the others on the run.

    *.257 caliber, 100 grain Ballistic Tip @ 3300 fps. :)
     
  24. JesseL

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    They form loose knit packs sometimes.

    Ask a 110lb woman.

    Usually, yes. I don't expect that to continue being very reliable though. Coyote behavior is changing. 10 years ago it was unusual for a coyote to let you see him at all.
     
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    ^kinda seems yet another justification of carry, doesn't it?
     
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