CPS called on me and girlfriend because I own guns.

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I'd see a lawyer ASAP and see about suing her pants off. There may also be a possibility of criminal charges for her false report.

Once you've got the all-clear, I'd give her hell to the fullest legal extent, and I don't mean "hell" in the flippant way I usually use the word.:)
 
SSN VET - Dude....

The first question at the door for any CPS type is "do you have a warrant".

And you're much better off if you can record the conversation with a tape or cam corder.

They can and will lie to you, telling you that they have this or that authority.

Reality is.... no warrant... no power to do anything.
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I agree 100%!

L.W.
 
Sounds like you were very patient and honest through the entire ordeal. You know, when kids actually LEARN about guns, and are supervised, and guns are stored properly, the kids are actually a lot safer than when they live in total ignorance.

My guns are all locked up, ammo locked in a separate safe. I have self-defense guns loaded and locked in a quick-access safe. Other than that, guns are only out in the open when my son or I have them in our possession.

It really sounds like your GF is having a rough time. She's learning some things about people she thought were her friends that is really hard on her. Mother's Day is coming up -- make it a great one for her. Let her know just how fantastic she is and that you appreciate how she has stood by you and your family.
 
There is probably not more than a worse thing anyone can do to someone else than to turn them into to Social Services.

I had some people call in on my wife because of our daughter once. (unsubstantiated) If I could have only found out who did it.

To some of these people its almost a prank to them like teepeeing your house.
 
Yeah that sounds like a doosie.... Sounds like you handled the situation at hand. Just becareful though as it sounds like it could have gone a different direction, had you had a different caseworker not so gun friendly.

Judges will always side with a caseworker in an emergency petition for revocation of custody. The caseworker is an agent of the court and in my experience is respected at a higher level than LEO's.

As you related the story, I cringed. Like I said, I have had personal experience with child services due to a family members action, (although in Colorado). Civility goes a long way with these people and although you have to be cognizant of your rights and protect them, you can politely do so. Not saying you didn't, but as your account portrays, you were very upset, (and rightly so).

Just remember that these people are human too and they have seen things far worse than Hollywood can conjure up. Over a years period where I petitioned for custody of a family member, I had an insight into "the system" that touched my soul in a very uncomfortable way.

Keep your chin up and continue to do as you do. As it sounds like a rather contentious situation, I might consult with a lawyer and clarify your rights and responsibilities as a caretaker for your girlfriends kids. Maybe ask the lawyer about medical power of attorney for situations that may arise while they are in your custody. There are so many grey areas in family situations that really warrant a competent lawyer.

Just my thoughts....
 
The CPS lady said If they attempt to call CPS again or try harass us further, then we should take legal action. I wouldn't hesitate, but money is somewhat tight with the baby on the way.
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While a full blown lawsuit may be financially out of the question, I would suggest going to a lawyer and ask him to send a letter to friend#1 and friend#2. he should explain to them that their action constitute "defamation of character" and further actions will result in a lawsuit as well as a "false reporting" compaint with the police. The letters will cost less than a lawsuit and might put a stop to any future slander.

Cut off contact as suggested before. If there is any contact with either of you, document what was said. Sounds like you handled things well.
 
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you handled and even more impressively the kids handled this tragic situation masterfully. When stuff like this happens my first reaction is rage(thanks for the extra boost to my heavy bag work out today btw :D), but if there is nothing I can do about then I have to look on the bright side of life. You have no way of legally getting back at them, so I personally would get the "all clear" letter framed and tease other friends with kids that you have passed the test and are certified by CPS as A.OKAY raisers of youngins :D
 
IMHO, you need 1) a lawyer and 2) a new gf without that kind of "friend."

Jim
 
Rondog don't you think that if one of these "tricks" is used against the callers, that could be evidence for the removal of the kids; or the inititiation of another report? Your kidding right?

Best thing to do is let the sleeping dog lie. Take some life lessons from the experience and move on to the next chapter of your lives. It sounds as though you have a child on the way? Make that your focal point, not retaliation against people who may not have even called. Like mentioned before, Mother's Day is almost here. Make your girlfriend feel special and walk away.

Like I mentioned, I petitioned for custody of my nephew for a year. That was the worst year of my life and if I learned one thing, it's that anger/pain will destroy you inside.
 
While a full blown lawsuit may be financially out of the question, I would suggest going to a lawyer and ask him to send a letter to friend#1 and friend#2. he should explain to them that their action constitute "defamation of character" and further actions will result in a lawsuit as well as a "false reporting" compaint with the police. The letters will cost less than a lawsuit and might put a stop to any future slander.
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Excellent idea.

I would add that at this point neither you nor your girlfriend should have ANY contact with these women after the letters go out. If they know you're mad at them, the could try to trick you into threatening them (or simply call up, make small talk and then report the incident as a threat).

At any rate, trying to destroy your family just because they're miffed is just plain evil.

I assume there's no way to get any sort of restraining order against them.
 
Rondog don't you think that if one of these "tricks" is used against the callers, that could be evidence for the removal of the kids; or the inititiation of another report? Your kidding right?
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Merely a suggestion for some light reading to relieve some of his tension. For entertainment purposes only.
 
Thanks for the help guys.

I think we're just gonna sit it out. I sure as hell am not going to be contacting them, nor is my girlfriend.

If they insist on playing these games, then yes, I/we/she will take legal action.

If I really needed to seek vengeance, Friend #2 lied on her paperwork when applying for the permits/licenses to run a daycare at her home, and her husband is a felon. I do not want to stoop to that level though. They'll get theirs, I'm a strong believer in karma.
 
#1 good job teaching your kids about guns

#2 CPS was doing it's job

#3 followup with CPS in the vein of 'Look I relalize you guys have to check out what is reported. However, Obviously as somewhere between 35% and 55% of households have firearms in them, simply possessing firearms is not enough to warrant you guys getting involved. I would like to see the report. I believe the report was made in bad faith to damage me. I am going to talk to the police about pressing criminal charges for making a false report."

Then do so.

Also, I really hope you still have the text message or whatever that says

"hopes one of the kids gets a gun and shoots the other in the face"
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Point this out as not the words of someone who is mentally stable. Don't do this for vengance, do it because it really, truely, DOES indicate someone who has problems.

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Wow, you know she is running daycare with a felon on the premise? Do you know for sure it is NOT a violent felony he was convicted of? Don't you feel it is your obligation to reveal this truthful information to the correct people because it is a reasonably dangerous situation for the children to be in? To me, this is like seeing smoke coming out from under a door of a daycare center...you just don't walk by 'because I don't want to get involved'

You say you believe in Karma. How much Karma do you earn if the Felon ever does hurt one of those children?

Maybe Karma's way of balancing the fact that these friends lied about you is that karma arranges for you to have TRUTHS which should be made known to certain folks, and if this ends up harming those who harmed you, they get what is coming to them.
 
Damn dirty liberals, don't you just hate them! This lady doesn't like guns, but she doesn't keep it to herself, she makes a big deal about them. Then if that's not enough she calls CPS. Geez! Maybe you should call CPS on her and say shes running some kind of illegal sweatshop with kids making Addidas shoes.:D
 
Sounds like you definitely need to talk to a Lawyer about Friend #1 and Friend #2 and keep lots of evidence related to this. Tell the Lawyer about the license problem too since that is probably related and a possible danger to the kids at the daycare.

Perhaps you must be the hand of Karma sometimes.
 
Do NOT lie/make false reports... It sounds to me like the truth (what you posted) is plenty.
I would (consider) a restraining order against them if there is any HINT of additional problems.
You did change the locks? RIGHT??
 
Could you check with a lawyer about filing charges against the twit for filing false reports?

There was nothing to be checked on...she just didn't like getting booted out. Make her squirm over being the bitch...maybe she will think twice later on.

Mark
 
The locks will be changed soon, like I said, money is tight, I've only been able to shoot 3 or 4 times this year because I can't afford ammo.

My GF deleted the text where Friend #2 said she hoped the kids would shoot eachother.

Her husband was convicted for owing more than $5,000 in child support.

I'm seriously contemplating reporting her to the CPS about the illegal daycare, this woman has administered corporal punishment to my girlfriends children many times (dozens of times I believe), as far as I know, my gf has spanked her son twice for lying and spanked her daughter once for talking back in their entire lives... so.. no telling what she does with her own children or to the children at the daycare. I believe in corporal punishment occasionally, and especially not against kids who aren't your own. If I got to, i'll do it anonymously and forget about it. I don't care to be involved anymore than I have to, but like others said, I do feel somewhat obligated to help the kids she has around.

I didn't let CPS in. I denied them entry and told my GF to not let them in either, I told her to exercise her 4th and 5th amendment rights, but she knows we have nothing to hide, so she just wanted to get it over with and stop wasting the CPS agents time when she could be helping kids who need her. Overall, the only personal info I gave them was my name, my DOB, and that I owned guns (did not disclose how many, what kind, etc).
 
I agree with DRZinn. There is no way a representative of a government agency with the power to take away children is inspecting my house.

I have no children, but the principle is the same.
 
But you say they inspected the house. They should have never had the chance to inspect a damn thing. Questions? Sure, why not. On the porch.
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It's not my house, its my girlfriends.

Believe me, I told her to not let them in, I STRONGLY urged her to simply tell them "do you have a warrant? no? good bye." and to NOT MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM. They work for us. They're making our lives harder, no need for us to make their job easy. Make them thoroughly do their job that our tax dollars pay for. And they aren't mine or my childrens friend, it was kind of sickening how they tried to act like they were.

It wasn't my idea to let them in. My gf asked me to be quiet and lock the guns up (i usually carry my S&W 581 on me) and just get it over with because they're her kids and she didn't want me making a bad impression while the CPS was around.... "bad impression" would be me OC'in my gun at home like I usually do and exercising our 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendment rights and make the CPS jump through hoops to get anything from us.

I only cooperated and volunteered information because my GF asked me to.

Trust me guys, I didn't enjoy it and certainly would of handled it differently had it been my kids and/or home.
 
We had a dealing with CPS, and I believe there is no way they can gain entry unless they have awarrant that the children are in imminent danger. Don't let them in.
Best of luck to you, sir!
 
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