GojuBrian
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What a bunch of drama over nothing. 
CPS called on me and girlfriend because I own guns.
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armoredman
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If you ever face wrongful accusations that could lead to the temporary or permanent loss of your children, this "drama" will aquire new meaning.
CoRoMo
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Frame it on your wall? IDK, but you could forward a copy of this to "friends" #1 & #2.
Bill... now you're sugar coating this and feeding it to us. What you mean is, SHE LIED.
If CPS had any sand in their stomach, they'd charge her for the false allegations.
You could spend a lot of money to recoup the money and time lost from having to take off work, but I'd cut my losses and settle down into a productive and meaningful life on solid ground.
Best of luck.
DRZinn
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Did all ya could, then. I'd say your girlfriend needs some kind of education on why you assert your rights. "If you don't have anything to hide," you still don't let them in.
Thank you again, gentlemen.
I am cutting my losses, if we're still harassed from this point on, then I will contact a lawyer and see what legal action can be taken.
Like I said earlier, apparently Friend #2 tipped off the CPS anonymously, so they have no record of her. And the way the CPS agent worded it, we probably couldn't do anything unless we were harassed further.
I'm trying to not sugar coat, just giving you my opinion based on what the CPS requires to even make a report, let alone come out and actually investigate people. My point being, simply having guns and children in the house is more than OK by law, so its my belief that she probably sugar coated it in order for the CPS to take action.
Thank you,
Billy
I am cutting my losses, if we're still harassed from this point on, then I will contact a lawyer and see what legal action can be taken.
Like I said earlier, apparently Friend #2 tipped off the CPS anonymously, so they have no record of her. And the way the CPS agent worded it, we probably couldn't do anything unless we were harassed further.
I'm trying to not sugar coat, just giving you my opinion based on what the CPS requires to even make a report, let alone come out and actually investigate people. My point being, simply having guns and children in the house is more than OK by law, so its my belief that she probably sugar coated it in order for the CPS to take action.
Thank you,
Billy
Readyrod
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You need to find a way to get every verifiable fact on paper. It should all be recorded (officially) in case something else comes up. That way you can protect yourself. It's amazing how stories can change with a little time and you need to be able to go back to verify the facts. You should file an official complaint with the agency that forces them to wright it all down. This is not for revenge but to protect yourself in case of future incidences.
I had a coworker go weird on me a few years ago and had to file a harassment complaint not so much to nail him but to get all the facts down on paper. Otherwise it's all hearsay and it's amazing how people's stories can change after a month or so.
Also, this puts you in a position that if they try anything else you can nail them if you feel so inclined.
I had a coworker go weird on me a few years ago and had to file a harassment complaint not so much to nail him but to get all the facts down on paper. Otherwise it's all hearsay and it's amazing how people's stories can change after a month or so.
Also, this puts you in a position that if they try anything else you can nail them if you feel so inclined.
zminer
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Readyrod said:
HUGE +1 to this. Get copies of all of the official reports from official agencies. File FOIA requests if you need to. Keep a file of all of these things in a safe place, so that you can access them if trouble arises again. For better or for worse, the judicial system will respect you more if you are organized and can say, "As document X shows, I was contacted on this date, by person Z, who said blah blah blah..." rather than a vague statement without dates and details.
It might not even be a bad idea to take some time, write down the full story of what happened, with as many details as you can remember, and have your girlfriend do the same. Keep this with the other files, so if you forget details over time, you have a record of your thoughts from early in the process. As mentioned above, it's amazing what you might forget that could turn out to be useful.
I had a friend that went through a somewhat similar situation, although in his case it was an ex-wife filing false charges with the CPS.
An investigation was conducted, and it was determined that there was no cause for further action. At this point my friend’s attorney requested and got a letter from the CPS, specifically stating that an investigation of the charges had been made, and it was determined that the reports were baseless, and that the agency would take no further action.
You can do the same, which to ask the CPS for a statement in writing that specifically says that they investigated, and found no cause to take further action. This doesn’t require a lawyer or any substantial expense on you’re part, but does protect you if anybody tries to bring the incident up again in the future.
An investigation was conducted, and it was determined that there was no cause for further action. At this point my friend’s attorney requested and got a letter from the CPS, specifically stating that an investigation of the charges had been made, and it was determined that the reports were baseless, and that the agency would take no further action.
You can do the same, which to ask the CPS for a statement in writing that specifically says that they investigated, and found no cause to take further action. This doesn’t require a lawyer or any substantial expense on you’re part, but does protect you if anybody tries to bring the incident up again in the future.
Daniel1120
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Sounds like you did everything right bill. I wish you luck with dealing with friend #1 and #2. People like that can sometimes cause more touble for you down the road.
I'm glad to hear friend #1 didn't make any false legal accusations against you, ie saying you threatened her or hit her. If that happened you would be in a whole nother world of trouble. Its easy for women to do that and be believed.
It sucks those friends told the childrens father. Obviously you know yall are gonna have to deal with him forever. But he obviously thinks your responsible with firearms and his kids, or else he would have raised hell too. Take this as an oppurtunity to strengthen any relationship you have with him, it will make life much easier.
Good luck.
I'm glad to hear friend #1 didn't make any false legal accusations against you, ie saying you threatened her or hit her. If that happened you would be in a whole nother world of trouble. Its easy for women to do that and be believed.
It sucks those friends told the childrens father. Obviously you know yall are gonna have to deal with him forever. But he obviously thinks your responsible with firearms and his kids, or else he would have raised hell too. Take this as an oppurtunity to strengthen any relationship you have with him, it will make life much easier.
Good luck.
robsc
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I`d see about getting a restraining order against CPS on grounds that the report agaisnt you is false and hassament. I would also get documetation of the visitis and the false report against you and file lawsuit against the person who reported you to CPS.
DAVIDSDIVAD
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I can't believe some people.
Good on you for being responsible, OP.
Good on you for being responsible, OP.
effengee
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Best of luck to you and your girl...
I have a son who has ADD/ADHD and a bunch of other meaningless letters attached to his file. He was once asked by the school psychologist:
"Are there any guns in your house?"
My son did me proud by telling him:
"I really don't think that's any of your business"
To which the Psychologist asked:
"Well, would you ever touch a gun?"
My son shrugged and said:
"If it's o.k. with my mom or dad, then yes, I'd touch a gun."
When asked:
"Would you play with a gun?"
He sat up stock straight and shook his head while saying:
"Uh-uh. You should NEVER EVER play with guns 'cause they put BIG holes in all kinds of things."
He was seven, and I knew that he'd be alright...
My other son once got in trouble in school for chatting during lunch that he got to shoot and field-strip my AK-47. The teacher asked her hunter husband what field-stripping was and called the police to make certain that an AK-47 was even legal to own in Vermont before writing him up... Luckily my wife handled that meeting... She got it repealled...
I have a son who has ADD/ADHD and a bunch of other meaningless letters attached to his file. He was once asked by the school psychologist:
"Are there any guns in your house?"
My son did me proud by telling him:
"I really don't think that's any of your business"
To which the Psychologist asked:
"Well, would you ever touch a gun?"
My son shrugged and said:
"If it's o.k. with my mom or dad, then yes, I'd touch a gun."
When asked:
"Would you play with a gun?"
He sat up stock straight and shook his head while saying:
"Uh-uh. You should NEVER EVER play with guns 'cause they put BIG holes in all kinds of things."
He was seven, and I knew that he'd be alright...
My other son once got in trouble in school for chatting during lunch that he got to shoot and field-strip my AK-47. The teacher asked her hunter husband what field-stripping was and called the police to make certain that an AK-47 was even legal to own in Vermont before writing him up... Luckily my wife handled that meeting... She got it repealled...
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They have to give CPS there name and address when they report something. CPS keeps the information confidential unless a repetitive and slanderous problem takes place.
They will never tell you who turned you in unless there are complications of repeated false reports.
But from what I understand you already know who turned you in.
SharpsDressedMan
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Maybe your girlfriend or someone else could get the goods on "Non-Friend #2" by recording candid conversations with her. She might stupidly asdmit that che call CPS.
General Geoff
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The friend is obviously hallucinating and possibly on illegal controlled substances, since she called CPS on you. I suggest tipping off the DEA.
jaholder1971
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Hey Y'all,
Everyone who said "sue" can forget it:
1. The CPS will never relinquish who called them.
2. Most states have laws that protect those who call CPD from liability unless it's so obviously malicious. This doesn't reach that yet.
3. No lawyer will touch this. The plaintiffs have no money for retainer and the respondents have nothing to collect.
The only way you might get this settled is, like i said earlier, call up Ol' Jerry Springer and see if he'll fly y'all out to Chicago to fight it out on the TV.
Everyone who said "sue" can forget it:
1. The CPS will never relinquish who called them.
2. Most states have laws that protect those who call CPD from liability unless it's so obviously malicious. This doesn't reach that yet.
3. No lawyer will touch this. The plaintiffs have no money for retainer and the respondents have nothing to collect.
The only way you might get this settled is, like i said earlier, call up Ol' Jerry Springer and see if he'll fly y'all out to Chicago to fight it out on the TV.
More honest folks have gone through this than care to acknowledge, you likely feel violated; dirty and upset that you had to even be subjected to this stuff.
The feeling of being over "a barrel" and victimized is something that will linger for years. It helps to remember that there are a kids that need some kind of intervention and that the CPS folks have no choice in the matter, they are mandated to investigate all complaints.
Most States have statutes protecting anyone making a "good faith" report...I know you are pissed, but unless you can prove that the report was malicious, without any grounds, that the person's sole intent was to harrass, malign etc...you will only waste your money. I'm sorry to tell you this.
My only advice is to put this behind you and remove the people who played a role in it from your life.
The feeling of being over "a barrel" and victimized is something that will linger for years. It helps to remember that there are a kids that need some kind of intervention and that the CPS folks have no choice in the matter, they are mandated to investigate all complaints.
Most States have statutes protecting anyone making a "good faith" report...I know you are pissed, but unless you can prove that the report was malicious, without any grounds, that the person's sole intent was to harrass, malign etc...you will only waste your money. I'm sorry to tell you this.
My only advice is to put this behind you and remove the people who played a role in it from your life.
jaholder1971
Member
Hey Y'all,
Everyone who said "sue" can forget it:
1. The CPS will never relinquish who called them.
2. Most states have laws that protect those who call CPD from liability unless it's so obviously malicious. This doesn't reach that yet.
3. No lawyer will touch this. The plaintiffs have no money for retainer and the respondents have nothing to collect.
The only way you might get this settled is, like i said earlier, call up Ol' Jerry Springer and see if he'll fly y'all out to Chicago to fight it out on the TV.
Everyone who said "sue" can forget it:
1. The CPS will never relinquish who called them.
2. Most states have laws that protect those who call CPD from liability unless it's so obviously malicious. This doesn't reach that yet.
3. No lawyer will touch this. The plaintiffs have no money for retainer and the respondents have nothing to collect.
The only way you might get this settled is, like i said earlier, call up Ol' Jerry Springer and see if he'll fly y'all out to Chicago to fight it out on the TV.
TexasRedneck
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+1 on forgettin' legal action against the bimbo's.
HOWEVER....if they have jobs, sometimes folks get fired for havin' too many complaints against 'em, too many phone calls, etc. Ya just gotta find the "hot" buttons for their job, an' the press 'em in a year or two.
Revenge is best served cold - they'll never figure out it was you (and therefore try to retaliate), and it gives ya time ta plan....<evil grin>
HOWEVER....if they have jobs, sometimes folks get fired for havin' too many complaints against 'em, too many phone calls, etc. Ya just gotta find the "hot" buttons for their job, an' the press 'em in a year or two.
Revenge is best served cold - they'll never figure out it was you (and therefore try to retaliate), and it gives ya time ta plan....<evil grin>
Wolfeye
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I think you've been handling the situation as well as one can, given the heavy emotions being tossed around. Being open with friends & family about this is pretty important. My experience is that people who are mature & level-headed will tend to listen, while those who are not will take on an "us vs. them" attitude and let anger make decisions for them. In the meantime, you can thumb your nose at the hateful by becoming the safe, happy, law-abiding gun owner that they hate to see. Take safety courses to build up credentials, let your actions speak for you, and be reasonable & non-confrontational in your discussions. Friends who are worth keeping will see things for how they are.
It's rough, but hang in there, especially for the kid's sake. She needs to see stability, not a psycho like the old roomie.
It's rough, but hang in there, especially for the kid's sake. She needs to see stability, not a psycho like the old roomie.
DAVIDSDIVAD
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There's always Judge Judy
ohgrady
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Illinois has a criminal statute on the books for false reports of child abuse to the Dept of Children and Family Services. Maybe your state has the same - which would mean making a police report and asking to sign a complaint.
flrfh213
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sounds to me like friend #1 and #2 need to meet for drinks.... they can clack like chickens to each other all night that way...
lvcat2004
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Many states have statutes to protect whistle blowers on reports done in good faith. This is certainly not the case and they seemed to have filed a false report with false statements/assumptions. I think this is worth looking into.
At least I would file a complaint so that they can't pull a fast one on you guys again, and that these false reporters WILL have some repercussions.
At least I would file a complaint so that they can't pull a fast one on you guys again, and that these false reporters WILL have some repercussions.
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