crazy talk in a gun shop

[proven]

ocelot-

the gun shop owner was referring to the legal definition of barrel length (even if he got one of the details incorrect).

getting one of the details incorrect is what lands people in jail. the legal definition of bbl length has NOTHING to do with threading. if you are so versed in class III terminology, you'd know that.

you may shrug it off as "oh, he just missed one detail". when it comes to laws pertaining to firemarms, the BATFE isn't as forgiving.

 

[Big Matt]

It's also not a "sniper" rifle unless an actual army/usmc/operator/assassin/ninja/spec op sniper has fired it and proclaimed it as such with the God Zeus's blessing. Otherwise it's just a scoped "designated marksman" rifle, in which case it must have been.......

 

[Rollis R. Karvellis]

Just for the record, I enjoyed mine, it had a fixed stock, and an AK type MUZZLE LIFT COHTROL DEVICE. (this was back in the ban day's)

 

[OcelotZ3]

Yeah "Proven", you ignored the meat of my post because it addresses your misleading statements. Not surprising.

I'm outta here...

 

[MisterPX]

If you guys wanna get bitchy, all "barrel", by the rifling definition, are shorter than advertised. 30-06 barrels are shorter than similar OAL 5.56 barrels.

 

[proven]

Yeah "Proven", you ignored the meat of my post because it addresses your misleading statements. Not surprising.

ocelot- would you care to point out these misleading statements you accuse me of making? i never even brought up "overall length".

You also run into issues when you refer to "barrel length" and "overall length". As another poster mentioned, the gun shop owner was referring to the legal definition of barrel length (even if he got one of the details incorrect).

Note that there is also a legal definition of "overall length" too, which can be confusing when "proven" uses his terms "barrel length" and "overall length". Both are inconsistent with Class III terminology from what I see...

what "meat" in this post are you referring to?

again, details are the law, and this gentleman was wrong.
legal bbl length has nothing to do with threads.
the bbl was measured wrong.
the actual bbl length was 14.5" as per bushmasters site with the perm. supp. qualifying the legal 16".

 

[notorious]

Yep, not every single hunting rifle with a scope is a sniper rifle. There are certain rifles made and designated as sniper rifles, such as the M25 system or the M40A1.

The Police versions such as the Savage 110P or Remington 700P are better classified as precision long rifle or marksman rifle.

Police don't technically snipe, which is an aggressive action taken against an enemy combatant who may or may not present any danger to you.

You'll never see a police marksman take out a known criminal sitting in his front porch minding his own business if the criminal is just reading a newspaper. However, a military sniper will shoot if the target is an objective no matter what the target is doing, even if the target is reading to his kids.

I crack up when people talk about their .204 or .270 or .30-06 sniper rifle that is wood stocked with a thin field barrel made for hunting. Shooting your rifle and hitting your target does not make you a sniper and it a sniper rifle.

 

[Geno]

How many times have I heard such crazy or uninformed talk in gunshops? Too many to recount. I do as you, excuse myself and leave.

 

[notorious]

I went to a gunstore today and witnessed the effect of Hollywood and mass media on our poor impressionable youth... two young kids walked in and wanted a "sniper rifle" and asked about that one there... that black one on the wall... the salesman said it's a Remington 700P, the kid asked about the 24" barrel and if they were all bolt actions... the guy at the counter said... well... the police model is 20" and yes, they are all bolt action... to which the kid responded, give me something that has a 24" barrel because now he is invested in the 24" argument and can't back down. I left the store.

 

[Art Eatman]

If folks think the misinformation in gunshops is bad, they can always play, "Can you bottom this?" in the Rifle forum at THR.



Sorry. Couldn't resist. It's just another character flaw.

Art

 

[bubbaturbo]

Those of you who think you know everything are very irritating to those of us who do.

 

[Jaybird78]

What I despise are the shop owners who assume you know nothing tell you what they think you need to hear to make a purchase and recommend to you X product because it's what all the commandos are using.

.........and is the brand that they have in stock/"official retailer of"

BUYER BEWARE.................TRUST NO ONE

 

[notorious]

I don't mind the gunstore pushing the latest official SEAL endorsed product or the issued equipment of Delta if they are indeed correctly representing the item as such. They are in business and if they are telling the truth, more power to their selling angle.

The part I love is that the customer buys into it and thinks he will need the $1,500 Aimpoint or EoTech along with all the tactical doodads because he will someday need to fight off the platoon of insurgent guerilla drug traffickers in his back yard.

Nothing wrong with WANTING a toy because you can afford it... but thinking you actually NEED it as a pasty, junior accountant at Arthur Andersen Cooper KPMG... it's kinda laughable.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I don't know if the vendors do it to all prospective customers, or if my appearance is just particularly gullible-looking, but boy I hear some whoppers at gun shows about how this gun or knife is just great or perfect for X use - nothing better, in fact. I just play dumb and move along.

Lol, just yesterday an ol boy was 'splaining to me how his 10/22s he had for sale there with Lothar Walther barrels (for $750) are guaranteed to shoot a group into 0.2" EVERY TIME. Oddly enough, he didn't mention at what range that would occur.

Me: "Really? Interesting. I'll be darned. You don't say?"

 

[innerpiece]

lol
I was once told in a gun store, about a 10/22 being "verry tactical"... because of it coming with a 30rd clip...............................

nope, I diddnt bother continue the conversation with him, just nodded and proceeded to buy the ammo I would be using that weekend for entery drills........

 

[notorious]

Yeah, tactical 10/22 rifles with all the Tapco or whatever builds are great fun and it's awesome to see some of the creativity out there but tactical fighting arms they are not.

I would not bet my life on a rimfire just because of the inherent unreliable ignition system and the more problematic feeding associated with rimmed rounds in a long box magazine.

I do hear the 10 round factory rotary magazines are awesome but that is not very tactical looking with a flush stock and no banana clip sticking out.

 

[innerpiece]

exactly, I agree they are lotsa fun.. and a cool platform to build on. just not anything Id be taking into an offensive/defensive situation.

I have no doubt that salesman convinced somebody tho lol!

 

[proven]

i feel rather lucky in that my local shop is very knowledgeable and friendly. they don't try and "sell" stuff to uninformed buyers, and when an inexperienced person comes along with questions they are very patient and answer the questions without condescension.

 

[notorious]

Yep... we're lucky to have that here with the local sporting goods store.

 

[woodybrighton]

remeber going round a gunshow in Florida year and years ago some Lunatic going on about foreign troops training with the UN to seize are guns.
"curses are secret plan to retake the colonies has leaked"
I guess was'nt the response he was looking for.
the guy on the stand next to him nearly choked with laughter.
I sincerely hope somebody took all his live rounds off him at some somepoint or he went to live miles from anyone else, seemed slightly unhinge an very angry

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I don't mind in the least when my seller has less information on his goods than I do. And everyone has gaps in their knowledge and strengths in their knowledge, myself included.

However, I do bristle at the sort of "tacticool" attitude, as often from hangarounds as from shop dealers.

Whenever I get a lot of tacticool, I just ask, innocently, where the individual received his tactical training and what type he'd recommend. Blankout. Or did you serve in the armed forces? Blankout. Well, just how many people HAVE you shot? Blankout. You actually can hear the air go out of the balloon.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Whenever I get a lot of tacticool, I just ask, innocently, where the individual received his tactical training and what type he'd recommend. Blankout. Or did you serve in the armed forces? Blankout. Well, just how many people HAVE you shot? Blankout.

Can you post a video of yourself doing this? I need an example of how you manage to keep a straight face while saying such, so I can practice myself - sounds like a good "tactic".

 

[notorious]

We get that in every hobby or sport... same with motorcycle riders who want the latest and biggest capacity sportbikes and they claim they are racers and then you ask them where do they race (silence) and where did they get race training (silence) and have they even been to a racetrack (silence)... then the frustration builds and then they start jumping around and howling like the idiots that they are.

You want to see idiocy in action? Go to an airsoft store that is dedicated to the entire scene. You will not see a bigger display of inadequacy being made up for with over-expenditure on all the latest camoflauge gear and $500 EoTechs and $1,000 airsoft AR15s with all the tacticool stuff.

These guys walk in and out with full-on $200 camo gun cases with all the Molle gear and buy all sorts of SpecOps and Police badges and patches to wear on their airsoft BDUs.

I saw a whole rack of patches for sale to these kids and wannabes and I was sick to my stomach. They have no idea what it takes to earn the right to wear those patches. They couldn't last 2 days in basic, much less a real lethal force confrontation.