notorious
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Doesn't the barrel have rifling on a rifle? Just thinking out loud....
crazy talk in a gun shop
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Yup, what BHP said. Permanent attachment makes overall length == bbl length in that case.
Seems you overreacted a bit.
Also, I see you proved BHP's point by posting Bushmaster's description where they use the term "total barrel length". Regardless of you adding "overall" in parens...
Seems you overreacted a bit.
Also, I see you proved BHP's point by posting Bushmaster's description where they use the term "total barrel length". Regardless of you adding "overall" in parens...
ocelot-
did you miss the part where they described the bbl as 14.5"? the ACTUAL bbl is 14.5" and the TOTAL bbl length where as it pertains to the law is 16".
i simply pointed out that the bbl in the shop was 14.5, just as bushmaster states it is. i knew it was legal, and made no mention of it being otherwise.
BHP used the term "overall" that's why i added it. it means the same thing as "total".
still doesn't change the fact that the ACTUAL bbl itself, you know, the part with rifling....the part that if you remove the flash suppressor, it's still considered a bbl, is 14.5".
you have a bbl, and a flash suppressor. two different parts. put them together and you get "total bbl length".
did you miss the part where they described the bbl as 14.5"? the ACTUAL bbl is 14.5" and the TOTAL bbl length where as it pertains to the law is 16".
i simply pointed out that the bbl in the shop was 14.5, just as bushmaster states it is. i knew it was legal, and made no mention of it being otherwise.
BHP used the term "overall" that's why i added it. it means the same thing as "total".
still doesn't change the fact that the ACTUAL bbl itself, you know, the part with rifling....the part that if you remove the flash suppressor, it's still considered a bbl, is 14.5".
you have a bbl, and a flash suppressor. two different parts. put them together and you get "total bbl length".
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winchester243
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I was in a Sportsman's warehouse a month or so ago looking at the presses, didn't need one, just like to look at em.
Anyway this other crazy customer just walks up to me and starts extolling the virtues of the Dillon 550.
He went on and on and on and on with no encouragement from me, I think he was a little disappointed when I didn't buy one on the spot. He didn't even ask me what I was thinking of reloading (or um if maybe I already reload).
Anyway this other crazy customer just walks up to me and starts extolling the virtues of the Dillon 550.
He went on and on and on and on with no encouragement from me, I think he was a little disappointed when I didn't buy one on the spot. He didn't even ask me what I was thinking of reloading (or um if maybe I already reload).
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proven- As a matter of fact I do know how to correctly measure a barrel. Thank you for asking. What I said, if you were paying attention, was that some people do not and they sometimes err in making this measurement and for the inexperienced it's an easy mistake to make.
Yes, I think we all realize the ACTUAL barrel length on the rifle in question is 14.5", but we are discussing LEGAL length, are we not? In which case the older gentleman you seem so irritated at was correct when he said 16" was required and with the suppressor permanently affixed it makes the barrel a LEGAL 16" in length.
You mention overall length in a follow up post but I see no mention of that in your original post so I am not sure what your point was with that.
In any event the interaction you describe in the shop sounds fairly typical to me and I see nothing to warrant describing it as "crazy." But then, I'm old and probably have had far more life experience than you meaning I have a totally different standard for what constitutes "crazy."
Yes, I think we all realize the ACTUAL barrel length on the rifle in question is 14.5", but we are discussing LEGAL length, are we not? In which case the older gentleman you seem so irritated at was correct when he said 16" was required and with the suppressor permanently affixed it makes the barrel a LEGAL 16" in length.
You mention overall length in a follow up post but I see no mention of that in your original post so I am not sure what your point was with that.
In any event the interaction you describe in the shop sounds fairly typical to me and I see nothing to warrant describing it as "crazy." But then, I'm old and probably have had far more life experience than you meaning I have a totally different standard for what constitutes "crazy."
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i have seen so many sbr ars that when i refer to bbl length, i'm talking about the actual bbl. generally that's how it goes. that's why some companies advertise an 11" bbl, with a 5.5"flash suppressor. i said bbl length when i looked at the rifle, not total bbl length, which is why i started to reply to the old man. i was going to mention that with the perm. suppressor, the the bbl itself could be 14.5" and still be legal with regards to total length. i wasn't irritated with him or the woman behind the counter, on the contrary i was amused.
personally i feel that if you work in a gunshop you should know the laws that pertain to firearms and how to properly inspect firearms to determine if they are legal. would the woman have known that if the suppressor weren't perm. attached, that the gun were illegal? who knows? but her method of measuring the bbl leaves doubt in my mind.
i have seen so many sbr ars that when i refer to bbl length, i'm talking about the actual bbl. generally that's how it goes. that's why some companies advertise an 11" bbl, with a 5.5"flash suppressor. i said bbl length when i looked at the rifle, not total bbl length, which is why i started to reply to the old man. i was going to mention that with the perm. suppressor, the the bbl itself could be 14.5" and still be legal with regards to total length. i wasn't irritated with him or the woman behind the counter, on the contrary i was amused.
personally i feel that if you work in a gunshop you should know the laws that pertain to firearms and how to properly inspect firearms to determine if they are legal. would the woman have known that if the suppressor weren't perm. attached, that the gun were illegal? who knows? but her method of measuring the bbl leaves doubt in my mind.
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I hate to jump in someone else' "fight". But this is what I saw in the OP.
He said where the threads start. So this man is referring to the actual barrel length, not the overall length. This is where he errs. The overall legal length has nothing to do with threads, it's from the bolt face to the end of the last permanently attached part on the barrel.
Wyman
He said where the threads start. So this man is referring to the actual barrel length, not the overall length. This is where he errs. The overall legal length has nothing to do with threads, it's from the bolt face to the end of the last permanently attached part on the barrel.
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notorious
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Well, does the muzzle brake or suppressor or flash hider touch the bullet and help in the spin or is chrome lined when you pay for the chrome lined barrel option? No?
Guess what, it's not part of the barrel then. Legal definitions be damned, that's just overall length, not barrel length.
Guess what, it's not part of the barrel then. Legal definitions be damned, that's just overall length, not barrel length.
Whenever I go to a gun shop I dont even ask questions and I only looked at stuff I am well informed on. I've seen this occur and guys coming close to blows just over BOTH of them having the wrong facts. I just sit back and laugh mentally thinking what idiots, they know nothing but think they know everything.
notorious
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I got $5 on the big guy.
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'' i was going to mention that with the perm. suppressor, the the bbl itself could be 14.5" and still be legal with regards to total length. i wasn't irritated with him or the woman behind the counter, on the contrary i was amused...''
yep it's the ''still legal'' part that concerns me.Questions like ''is it rifled'',and ''does it even touch the barrel'' do make a technical point,but they don't pertain where it really counts...which is legality.
yep it's the ''still legal'' part that concerns me.Questions like ''is it rifled'',and ''does it even touch the barrel'' do make a technical point,but they don't pertain where it really counts...which is legality.
i don't know about "crazy", but the stupidest,ill-informed people in any business transaction or inquiry i have ever made,involved gun store employees or telephone answerers.
not only that ,they are usually fat.
otoh,i have never had a gunsmith try to BS me either.
people at gun shows usually say they don't know when they don't know,cos too many people are there who do.
not only that ,they are usually fat.
otoh,i have never had a gunsmith try to BS me either.
people at gun shows usually say they don't know when they don't know,cos too many people are there who do.
BHP FAN
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I'm only ''big boned''...
Reminds me of when I bought my 327 at sportmans in fairbanks, yes its a big box store but the guys usually know what they are talking about. I asked on the off chance if they had any moon clips for it (I know long shot but it never hurts to ask).The guy behind the counter started to chastise me that only 45 acp revolvers used those. I promptly opened the case in front of me and took out the 3 that come with the revolver and said.. These? He was astonished that he didnt know everything. I am the first to admit there are many things in the world of firearms I do not know but I cant stand when the guy behind the counter treats customers as morons.
And btw the only reason i didnt buy from the local owned shop (that turned me on to the 327) is that I asked a month prior for a price on a 327 and a 642CT and after two follow up calls the guys at Down Under guns reply every time... Oh yeah I havent got to that. Not supprised they went out of buisness. Remeber you guys that run the small shops. If you dont serve the customers they will go elsewhere.
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And btw the only reason i didnt buy from the local owned shop (that turned me on to the 327) is that I asked a month prior for a price on a 327 and a 642CT and after two follow up calls the guys at Down Under guns reply every time... Oh yeah I havent got to that. Not supprised they went out of buisness. Remeber you guys that run the small shops. If you dont serve the customers they will go elsewhere.
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notorious
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2 to 1 on a decision and 7 to 2 on a knockout in the first round.
in the mid 80's, when weatherby re-introduced the 22 semi auto,i talked to weatherby & they told me to place an order.i did through a local gun store & got it.i then called a know it all gun store just to see what they would say.i asked if they could order me one,while the new gun was right next to me.they said the gun has not been made in a couple of years,is not available & they cant get it,even after i told them i talked to weatherby about it.he also added if he could find one,it would be 500.00. i just paid 350.00... numbskulls !
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"Some things never change." A gunsmith was extolling the virtures of his Improved .30-'06. "I held on that deer's back at 600 yards and dropped him. Hit 'im in the heart." That was in about 1951. 
One foot of drop? Maybe 350?
One foot of drop? Maybe 350?
This is any subject and anywhere..go to a car or motorcycle dealer and listen to mechanics, customers and parts guys. Go to a computer shop and just stand and listen to every expert that comes in the door...gun shops are no different. People are people and will repeat anything they hear.
Wikipedia is a monument of mistakes, misinformation and out right lies...
It's people being people...If it's important to me, meaning I could get hurt or it could costs me money. I never take anyone's word for it unless I completely check it out.
The only thing worse is politics. People say "they" will do/did this and "they" will do/did that. In the immortal words of Pogo. "We have met the enemy and "they" is "us".
Wikipedia is a monument of mistakes, misinformation and out right lies...
It's people being people...If it's important to me, meaning I could get hurt or it could costs me money. I never take anyone's word for it unless I completely check it out.
The only thing worse is politics. People say "they" will do/did this and "they" will do/did that. In the immortal words of Pogo. "We have met the enemy and "they" is "us".
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A local shop told me that if I take a suppressor class with them I can shoot suppressors, which would otherwise be illegal in WA state. Well since there are no exceptions to that law, this is wrong. Just because I'm in a class, even if it was run by LEOs, I'm still not allowed to shoot with a suppressor in WA state. Period. There is no exception for anyone. Nobody.
You also run into issues when you refer to "barrel length" and "overall length". As another poster mentioned, the gun shop owner was referring to the legal definition of barrel length (even if he got one of the details incorrect).
Note that there is also a legal definition of "overall length" too, which can be confusing when "proven" uses his terms "barrel length" and "overall length". Both are inconsistent with Class III terminology from what I see...
Note that there is also a legal definition of "overall length" too, which can be confusing when "proven" uses his terms "barrel length" and "overall length". Both are inconsistent with Class III terminology from what I see...
notorious
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I got you beat on that. I heard Harley-Davidson is going out of business, at a gunshop, no less, from the owner.
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