CT non-resident LTC/CHL

[Texasgrillchef]

Just curious if anyone here has applied for the Connecticut non-resident LTC/CHL in the last 12 months.

IF you have, how long did it take you to get approved and get your licence back from the time you applied? Or are you still waiting? If your still waiting when did you apply?

I am in no way complaining, about the wait. Whatever the wait is. I am just curious how long it is taken. From what I gather and could be incorrect, is that the state has guidelines to follow in regards to how long to take, but they are not requirements, so for non-resident I have heard anywhere from 3-5 months. So just was wondering. Again not complaining or being inpatient.

I just sent mine off two weeks ago and got confirmation they received the packet on the 17th of August so I know I have a wait ahead. Hoping to get it before spring of next year for a trip up NE lol

 

[toivo]

I got mine around 2013, and it didn't take very long -- less than a month, IIRC. But those were different times.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

I got mine around 2013, and it didn't take very long -- less than a month, IIRC. But those were different times.

Yep a lot has changed in 7 years. Which means if you still have it you renewed in 2018?

Even Texas is having a hard time keeping up with their timelines. Their applications for a LTC have have been well over 20,000 since March! DFW LTC classes have been booked at my local shooting range since May. They are trying to hire more instructors!

 

[toivo]

Yep a lot has changed in 7 years. Which means if you still have it you renewed in 2018?

Even Texas is having a hard time keeping up with their timelines. Their applications for a LTC have have been well over 20,000 since March! DFW LTC classes have been booked at my local shooting range since May. They are trying to hire more instructors!

Yeah, I've got one renewal under my belt. That went pretty smoothly too.

I live about 1/2 hour from the CT border, but the main reason I got it was that I had a regular gig in CT (I'm a part-time musician), and I kind of like having a firearm when I'm on the road at 3:00 in the morning. That gig went belly-up a few years ago, but I like the idea of being able to carry in neighboring states as well as in my own.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Yeah, I've got one renewal under my belt. That went pretty smoothly too.

I live about 1/2 hour from the CT border, but the main reason I got it was that I had a regular gig in CT (I'm a part-time musician), and I kind of like having a firearm when I'm on the road at 3:00 in the morning. That gig went belly-up a few years ago, but I like the idea of being able to carry in neighboring states as well as in my own.

Well i travel alot. And with the current politcal climate going on, i figure i should get as many LTC/CHL's as I can. Especially for those states that dont recognize anyone elses LTC/CHL and allow non-residents to ovtain their license.

By the time all is said and done, I will have 6 CHL/LTC's and will be able to carry in every possible state that a non-resident can carry in. Except for the 8 worst states for everyone including residents.
Ca, HI, MD, MA, NY, NJ, OR, RI

Although OR isnt near as bad as the rest of them in that if your a resident its not to hard to get one.

If National Reciprocity were to ever pass, all this would be redundant and obsolete. Sadly as long as the Democrats have control of one of the houses, it wont ever pass.

 

[GEM]

If you bother to recall, the GOP controlled House, Senate and Presidency refused to take action on Cornyn's reciprocity bill. So get your facts straight.

 

[buddyd157]

Well i travel alot. And with the current politcal climate going on, i figure i should get as many LTC/CHL's as I can. Especially for those states that dont recognize anyone elses LTC/CHL and allow non-residents to ovtain their license.

By the time all is said and done, I will have 6 CHL/LTC's and will be able to carry in every possible state that a non-resident can carry in. Except for the 8 worst states for everyone including residents.
Ca, HI, MD, MA, NY, NJ, OR, RI

Although OR isnt near as bad as the rest of them in that if your a resident its not to hard to get one.

If National Reciprocity were to ever pass, all this would be redundant and obsolete. Sadly as long as the Democrats have control of one of the houses, it wont ever pass.

i live in RI, and i can assure you getting a CCW is not that easy...

3 reference letters stating basically that you are a law abiding person (cannot be family members)

1 letter why you want/need a ccw

2 photos

finger printing.

all forms must be notarized

pay the non-refundable fee's

when that ccw expires in 4 years..??

it ALL has to be done ALL over again........

nothing "carries over" at renewal.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

i live in RI, and i can assure you getting a CCW is not that easy...

3 reference letters stating basically that you are a law abiding person (cannot be family members)

1 letter why you want/need a ccw

2 photos

finger printing.

all forms must be notarized

pay the non-refundable fee's

when that ccw expires in 4 years..??

it ALL has to be done ALL over again........

nothing "carries over" at renewal.

My apologies... i didnt think i was implying that RI was easy. I have seen how hard it is. It is interesting to note that a non-resident "theoretically" can get a RI chl/ltc but the hoop to get through is even tougher then a resident.
I fully sympathize with you on that matter.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

If you bother to recall, the GOP controlled House, Senate and Presidency refused to take action on Cornyn's reciprocity bill. So get your facts straight.

The bill isnt dead in the house yet, I havent checked the one in the senate. The one in the house is held up in a Democrat controlled committee.

The house is controlled by the Democrats, republicans control the senate. As far as trump not supporting the bills, i havent heard anything to the contrary.

Do you have any links to any stories about the president not supporting these bills?

 

[GEM]

I guess you didn't understand what I said. When Cornyn first introduced the bill (and sent out emails about how great it was), the GOP had the House, Senate and Presidency. They let it die. They did the same with the HPA and didn't even take up the SAGA act.

The argument was that they were in a moral panic over Las Vegas and couldn't beat the filibuster. However, they didn't try any legislative bargaining or other maneuvers. Nor do they currently push the bill.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

I guess you didn't understand what I said. When Cornyn first introduced the bill (and sent out emails about how great it was), the GOP had the House, Senate and Presidency. They let it die. They did the same with the HPA and didn't even take up the SAGA act.

The argument was that they were in a moral panic over Las Vegas and couldn't beat the filibuster. However, they didn't try any legislative bargaining or other maneuvers. Nor do they currently push the bill.

Oh yes i did misunderstand, my apologies.
Yes that bill did die. But their is another bill pending in a house committee currently. Dont remember which one off the top of my head. Its not dead yet. Its being held. But it actually looks like that the GOP is intentionally holding it up in committee because if it were to make it to a house vote, it would get voted down. I think thays more then obvious. Thats just my opinion though i could be wrong.

Either way... Reciprocity isnt passing anytime soon. That much I will admit! If i thought it was going to pass anytime in the next year or two, i wouldnt have take the time, or effort or money to obtain 5 additional LTC/CHLs beyond the texas one i have now.

 

[CapnMac]

But their is another bill pending in a house committee currently

Which is the point, hundreds of bills are reintroduced in every Session of Congress. All sorts of perennial bills, like abolishing English measurements; repealing the 16th Amendment; repealing the 2nd Amendment, mandating Election Day to be a National Holiday, all sorts of things that seldom have a hope of passing.
Many are used as "poison pills" for other legislation.

And, the fundamental problem with virtually every "national reciprocity" bill increases government over-reach. What the government grants the government can take away. And, we certainly do not want to see "national" LTC limited to the lowest common denominator. That's basically the FOPA answer--you can carry, unloaded, if locked in the trunk separated from ammunition. And, we'd probably need a national FOID card, too. As well as the State issued cards.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Which is the point, hundreds of bills are reintroduced in every Session of Congress. All sorts of perennial bills, like abolishing English measurements; repealing the 16th Amendment; repealing the 2nd Amendment, mandating Election Day to be a National Holiday, all sorts of things that seldom have a hope of passing.
Many are used as "poison pills" for other legislation.

And, the fundamental problem with virtually every "national reciprocity" bill increases government over-reach. What the government grants the government can take away. And, we certainly do not want to see "national" LTC limited to the lowest common denominator. That's basically the FOPA answer--you can carry, unloaded, if locked in the trunk separated from ammunition. And, we'd probably need a national FOID card, too. As well as the State issued cards.

Oh you get no disagreement from me about bills. Reciprocity on a national level may never pass. Then it may. Who knows.

We could get into a big debate on what gun laws are really needed and which ones arent. What wenwshould leave up to the states to decide and what we should let the Feds control

But for any laws regarding guns, you will always get people for it and against it. There are always pros and cons to each gun law. Even then what might be a pro to me would be a con to you and whats a con to me mighht be a pro to you.

I dont know what the answer is. But what i do know is that not being allowed to carry in a certain 8 states for SD because they either wont and dont have reciprocity with any other state, or not allow non-residents to get their permit, or are may-issue and u have to prove a need to have one, to me is unconstitutional at ita root core.

There is absolutely no reason any law abiding citizen should not be allowed to carry their firearm in all 50 states as well as our teritories auch as guam an Puerto Rico, without a license, however i have no problems ontaining a ltc/chl, or laws requiring them. As long as they are shall issue and not may issue.

You wont be able to convince me differently.

Now how we get that to happen I dont know.

What i do know is that even with FOPA one state still habitually violates FOPA when people are even following FOPA guidelines.
Thankfully ill never go through that state!

Maybe a mandate that requires everystate to be a shall issue and every state if they dont want to have reciprocity, then they must issue non-resident CHL/LTC's. Or become a permitless constitutional carry state. Just a thought. But that still requires a federal law.

The purpose of many federal laws, is to force states into compliance and do what the state would otherwise refuse to do if it wasnr a federal law.

One state even disobeys Fopa!

 

[AlexanderA]

Reciprocity on a national level may never pass. Then it may. Who knows.

National reciprocity will never pass on its own. But it could pass as an offset in some other gun bill. The pro-gun side should never burn bridges, and should always be ready to negotiate. The goal is to get something if you have to give up something. Never give up anything for free.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

National reciprocity will never pass on its own. But it could pass as an offset in some other gun bill. The pro-gun side should never burn bridges, and should always be ready to negotiate. The goal is to get something if you have to give up something. Never give up anything for free.

The only way it would ever pass is if the republicans had control of the house and senate. Without that it won’t ever pass.

Even then it might not pass, because even many republicans can’t agree on the issue of guns. While they are willing to vote down additional gun control measures. Not enough of them are willing to relax gun laws either.

 

[AlexanderA]

The only way it would ever pass is if the republicans had control of the house and senate. Without that it won’t ever pass.

Not sure about that. There's a lot of "sausage making" involved in legislation, and if the antis want something else bad enough, they might be willing to concede (some form of) reciprocity. It all depends on how the issues are framed. For example, if the choice is between "constitutional carry" and all-state, federal carry licensing, they might prefer all-state licensing. (This would void constitutional carry in those states that now have it.)

It might be better to continue to push for constitutional carry in more states, and just forget about reciprocity in the few states, such as New York, New Jersey, California, etc., that would never go for it.

 

[CapnMac]

The only way it would ever pass is if the republicans had control of the house and senate. Without that it won’t ever pass.

Didn't work two years ago when that was the case.
Neither did HPA, for that matter.

Politics is messy. Messier still in "single issue" politics. Where every sticky-fingered politico wants a piece off the top before even bloviating one way or the other. It's worse is they feel they have a "safe district" and they will continually "play" both sides to see what they will give.

But, back to the issue at hand, not every place is the same as every other place. What's appropriate for Montana may not be suitable for Maryland. We want the local place, the State to respond to "us," to our needs. I would not want to be held to the standards used in the NE for an LTC.
But, for national CCHL reciprocity to "work" either all of the States have to "relax" there standards, or they have to make all of the individual State standard more rigid. The "problem" states will happily retreat behind legitimate (th & 10th Amendment walls to contest being forced into a national reciprocity.

Mind, thirty years ago, our present CHL liberty was just a pipe dream.

 

[GEM]

National reciprocity gets stuck on the lowest common denominator problem. Some shall issue states have training requirements. Some consititutional carry states have permits to issue just for state to stat reciprocity.

IIRC, Gov. Cuomo said that if reciprocity was instituted, he would move to eliminate the may issue permits of NY. That would cause an uproar out of NYC but might pass as that area dominates law making.

The hope was a SCOTUS decision that would mandate easy shall issue - that is a fantasy. Politics is messy as said - here's the point. If gun rights were actually freed up for carry, weapons type, SBRs, HPAs, etc. - the issue would be lost as a fund raiser. The NRA would be composed of 4 guys hunting ducks and deer and some bullseye guys. Figure it out.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Not sure about that. There's a lot of "sausage making" involved in legislation, and if the antis want something else bad enough, they might be willing to concede (some form of) reciprocity. It all depends on how the issues are framed. For example, if the choice is between "constitutional carry" and all-state, federal carry licensing, they might prefer all-state licensing. (This would void constitutional carry in those states that now have it.)

It might be better to continue to push for constitutional carry in more states, and just forget about reciprocity in the few states, such as New York, New Jersey, California, etc., that would never go for it.

Not sure about that. There's a lot of "sausage making" involved in legislation, and if the antis want something else bad enough, they might be willing to concede (some form of) reciprocity. It all depends on how the issues are framed. For example, if the choice is between "constitutional carry" and all-state, federal carry licensing, they might prefer all-state licensing. (This would void constitutional carry in those states that now have it.)

It might be better to continue to push for constitutional carry in more states, and just forget about reciprocity in the few states, such as New York, New Jersey, California, etc., that would never go for it.

Thats why i believe we should force the issue for those states. Somehow. There are several ways we could go about it. Which is the best solution i dont know. It only takes 29 states to ratify a constitutional ammedment.

Consitutional or permitless carry in many states is an option. However in one constitutional permitless carry state you still need to have a LTC/CHL to carry in their state parks. (Maine). Another state permitless carry is only allowed outside city limits. 2 other states only allow permitless constitutional carry for residents who have lives in state for at least 6 months for one, and a year for the other.

If we could get 38 states to go consitutional carry, then we would have enough states to get reciprocity to pass as well most likey. While we are at 17 states for permitless conceal carry and i believe 26 states for permitless open carry. I think its going to be a while to get to 38 states permitless conceal carry.

Oregan is an interesting state, they allow permitless open carry (barring city ordinances, as they arent a preemptive state) but require a license to conceal carry. They dont allow non-resident CHL's unless u live in a bordering state and can show cause. So while they wont recognize any of my 6 ltc/chl's I can open carry. Go figure.

We need some form of National carry enacted though.

Options are:

1. National LTC
2. National Reciprocity
3. Mandate that states who arent constitutional carry have shall issue ltc's for all residents and non residents if they choose not to offer reciprocity.
4. National Constitutional Carry.

All options except the first, (national ltc) therotically could be mandated even by a possible Supreme court decesion. However that us unlikely to happy anytime soon either.

Yes any of those options could be hammered out in some kind of deal. But again sadly not anytime soon. Because there are other issues on both sides that seem to be a little more important to our politicians.

Also right now they dont wven seem to be willing to work together for most issues.

Most republicans are content with just stopping more anti-gun laws then initiating more pro-gun laws.

I do beleive to though the issue with licensing will come to head and something will happen. Just like fopa took a while to iron out. So will the issue of LTC's and CHL's

 

[AlexanderA]

here's the point. If gun rights were actually freed up for carry, weapons type, SBRs, HPAs, etc. - the issue would be lost as a fund raiser.

GEM: I see that you're as cynical as I am. The gun issue (among several that I can think of) is used as a fund raiser and recruitment tool by both sides. There is a "grand compromise" that would be possible if reasonable people sat down and looked at all the facts, but that will never happen because the players have a vested interest in keeping the fight going for as long as possible.

 

[George P]

If National Reciprocity were to ever pass, all this would be redundant and obsolete. Sadly as long as the Democrats have control of one of the houses, it wont ever pass.

And you had better hope it NEVER passes or the requirements will be set by those big states with the worst gun ownership regulations; no thanks............

 

[Texasgrillchef]

National reciprocity gets stuck on the lowest common denominator problem. Some shall issue states have training requirements. Some consititutional carry states have permits to issue just for state to stat reciprocity.

IIRC, Gov. Cuomo said that if reciprocity was instituted, he would move to eliminate the may issue permits of NY. That would cause an uproar out of NYC but might pass as that area dominates law making.

The hope was a SCOTUS decision that would mandate easy shall issue - that is a fantasy. Politics is messy as said - here's the point. If gun rights were actually freed up for carry, weapons type, SBRs, HPAs, etc. - the issue would be lost as a fund raiser. The NRA would be composed of 4 guys hunting ducks and deer and some bullseye guys. Figure it out.

I couldnt find where gov cuomo said that he would do away with may issue for NY. Are you implying it wouls change to shall issue? or that he wouldnt issue at all?

If reciprocity were mandated and passed, many NY's could her a non-resident LTC from another state, and NY would be required to honor those licenses. So i am confused how his action would make any difference other then to residents of NY?

NY even allows and recognizes yoj can be a resident of more then one state. So some NY residents who have reaidency in another state could get a resident ltc from that state.

I do not disagree that passing some form of mandated reciprocity will be difficult to pass. I dont beleieve its impossible.

Since the 1980's gun rights have increased at very quick rate. Since then we now have 17 states with permitless carry and 26 states with permitless open carry. Compared to the early 80's when permitless carry even Permitless carry was maybe only 1 (vermont) or possibly two states.

While new progun laws are getting more difficult to pass, they are still getting passed. Texas just had at least 7 new pro gun bills passed in our last legislation.

Will it ever pass, maybe not. But that doesnt mean we dont stop trying either. Will there be states that balk, whine moan and cry and try to fight back in every possible way. Absolutely.

If their wasnt, then truthfully we wouldnt need to pass national reciprocity or a national ltc. They would pass reciprocity on their own.

Intersting Tidbit though...

New York does have three pending bills in their legislature that have NOT died yet that would either allow for a 90 day non-reaident LTC to be issued as a shall issue basis, And / or 90 day recognition of other resident only LTC/chl's issues by one of the other 49 states.

They are the only state of all those states that dont recognize another states ltc/chl to be considering a law to do just that.

Will those bills fail, or pass? who knows. maybe not. But that is a sign that at least some people in NY arent happy about LTC/CHL reciprocity laws!

 

[Texasgrillchef]

And you had better hope it NEVER passes or the requirements will be set by those big states with the worst gun ownership regulations; no thanks............

Not necessarily. The current bill pending for reciprocity simply states that all states must recognize another states LTC/CHL. So NY would not be able to mandate tthe requirements Texas has to obtain a LTC.

No different then a DL.

 

[AlexanderA]

It only takes 29 states to ratify a constitutional amendment.

Actually, it's 38 states (3/4 of 50).

But let's assume, for argument's sake, that we get national concealed carry in one form or another. It won't do any good if the basic right to own suitable handguns is taken away. So this is, and always will be, a multifront struggle. We are engaged in a game of whack-a-mole with the antis.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

GEM: I see that you're as cynical as I am. The gun issue (among several that I can think of) is used as a fund raiser and recruitment tool by both sides. There is a "grand compromise" that would be possible if reasonable people sat down and looked at all the facts, but that will never happen because the players have a vested interest in keeping the fight going for as long as possible.

I dont disagree that tonpass any pro gun law on a national level is difficult to impossible.

To pass any controversial law on a national basis is difficult. Gun related or not.

Our congress wont work together on issues that matter. BS issues that dont really matter but to a few they can get passed. The issues that they beileive wont cost them huge numbers or votes at election timw, or cost them lost revenue in campain funds.

However none of that means we shouldnt stop trying or working on a way for us to get aome form of national carry put into place.

There are other options besides national reciprocity.

States worried about "standards" that other states have in isuing LTC/CHL's could have the OPTION of choosing to have a shall issue licensing for non-residents. So a state like NY could choose to either accept my Texas LTC, or they could have a shall issue non-resident CHL for Texas residents.

The other option of course would be a National LTC in addition to State LTC's. A state could choose to acxept another states LTC. But in all cases would be required to accept a national LTC issued by the ATF.

Which option is best? I have no clue. I would have no problem obtaining a National LTC providing it was affordable and Training requirments were reasonable.

Currently there isnt any state that i personally believe have unreasonable training requirements, or unreasonanle fees except for Illinois! $300 for non-resident! Yikes!

I would also have no issues obtaining non-resident LTC's for those current 8 states either provided one could apply via internet and mail. And they accepted Teaining that could be given in any state. Such as the NRA Basic Pistol course. I am currently in the process of ontaining 5 additional non-reaident ltc's allready.

A solution needs to be resolved.

How and when, is anyones guess. Cynical or not!