CT non-resident LTC/CHL

[Texasgrillchef]

Actually, it's 38 states (3/4 of 50).

But let's assume, for argument's sake, that we get national concealed carry in one form or another. It won't do any good if the basic right to own suitable handguns is taken away. So this is, and always will be, a multifront struggle. We are engaged in a game of whack-a-mole with the antis.

My bad ill go back and correct, i though it was 39. (corrected post, thanks!)

Sadly they wont, because of many reasons but our Supreme court could benefit the nation if they would juat accept a few casses and finally make a ruling a decesion one way or the other good or bad on several gun related issues.

We all thought thinga would get better when Trump appointed what we though were two conservative judges to the bench.

However, they have refused to hear any gun related cases since 2010 (i think)
The latest case with NYC, didnt even get a decsion because it was rulled moot!

Which just shows a state or city could get sued, but if they chanfe the law. They can get it dismissed as moot! Then go back and try it a different way!

As far as NY goes... It maybe changing. Since March 2020 the number of application to own a handgun in the home for NYC has increased over 900% from the same time frame from the previous year. 97% of those are first time gun buyers, and claimed to be liberal Democrats. Even CHL's have increased in numbers too.

Now will it make a difference on Elections? we hope it will. But we dont know yet. What we do know is that at least some anti-gunners are changing their views on guns. Thats always a good sign.

But you and everyone else is correct cynical or not. Any form of national carry wont likely pass anytime soon.

Ar least not until it becomes a big enough issue for the republicans to push.

 

[George P]

Not necessarily. The current bill pending for reciprocity simply states that all states must recognize another states LTC/CHL. So NY would not be able to mandate tthe requirements Texas has to obtain a LTC.

No different then a DL.

And you actually believe that? Sorry, you must be young. You can sure as hell bet that NY, CA et al WILL set the requirements, not only for the license, but also where and when and how you can carry. I live in FL, I can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol; I can even drink if I want to; not true in these other states; you have states where folks can carry in government buildings - you can kiss that goodbye, and on and on..............it seems those in favor of national reciprocity live in very restrictive states so anything would be better than what they currently have. The rest of us who have BTDT know better.

 

[toivo]

You can sure as hell bet that NY, CA et al WILL set the requirements, not only for the license, but also where and when and how you can carry. I live in FL, I can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol; I can even drink if I want to; not true in these other states;

You can do both of those things in NY State.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

And you actually believe that? Sorry, you must be young. You can sure as hell bet that NY, CA et al WILL set the requirements, not only for the license, but also where and when and how you can carry. I live in FL, I can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol; I can even drink if I want to; not true in these other states; you have states where folks can carry in government buildings - you can kiss that goodbye, and on and on..............it seems those in favor of national reciprocity live in very restrictive states so anything would be better than what they currently have. The rest of us who have BTDT know better.

Sure in their state they will control when and where you can carry. That’s no different then now. They can’t control when where and how you carry in another state.

Even Texas is different then Florida. We can open carry in Texas, where in Florida you can not. However, in Texas, we can’t drink if we carry.

Sure if CA, NY Etc are forced to accept a Texas or Florida LTC I am sure they will set laws on where when and how you can carry in their respective state. They already do that now for the few LTC’s they do have in their state, But even that will be better then not being able to carry in their state at all. Ca, Ny etc... won’t be able to set when where and how we carry in Texas or Florida. Texas won’t agree to that, I’m sure that Florida wouldn’t either.

The other option is require states to all become shall issue states, and not allow decisions based on any subjectivity, along with requiring all states that don’t want to honor reciprocity, as a choice, must issue non-resident LTC’s.

Example... Illinois will not recognize a Texas LTC, however if you do have a Texas LTC, Illinois will allow you to apply for a NON-Resident Illinois CHL. While I don’t like their $300 price tag. It is an option so you can legally carry in Illinois. now if NY, CA, etc... allowed us to apply for non-resident CHL’s without also being a may issue state. Then I wouldn’t care if they had reciprocity with Texas or any other state.

But like I said several times before, for many different reasons, any version or option that will allow a US citizen to carry in all 50 states and Territories will be close to impossible to pass anytime soon.

Nothing is impossible though. I’m 1994 we all though we lost assault weapons forever, and would not get them back at all in any form. We did though.

Back in the mid 80’s if you asked anyone if by 2020 17 states would have permit less of OC/CC and about 26 states with permitless OC, they would think never in a million years.

So I won’t give up hope, and I won’t give up trying.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

You can do both of those things in NY State.

Provided you can get a LTC/CHL. That’s the hard part.

Although in all honesty, for both CA and NY. Since both of those your CHL is decided by your local police or Sheriff. For some it in those two states can be easy depending on your local sheriff. I know someone who lives outside Buffalo NY. He is best friends with the Sheriff and he works for a federal government contractor. He got his CHL rather easily and quickly. (Or so he said). I have heard of some in Northern California have received their CHL’s rather easily as well because their sheriff is very pro 2nd amendment. Yet you go to NYC and it’s nearly impossible. A show on showtime called “Billions” even made fun and a joke about getting a CHL in NYC! It was hilarious!

It won’t be easy, but we have got to get some form of National carry passed eventually and we can’t stop trying or loose hope. But anything worth haveimg is worth fighting for.

 

[toivo]

Although in all honesty, for both CA and NY. Since both of those your CHL is decided by your local police or Sheriff.

I don't know about CA, but pistol permit issue in NY State is decided by county judges.

 

[George P]

You can do both of those things in NY State.

But you cannot carry anywhere like you can in some other states.

 

[George P]

The other option is require states to all become shall issue states, and not allow decisions based on any subjectivity, along with requiring all states that don’t want to honor reciprocity, as a choice, must issue non-resident LTC’s.

This will never happen. Too many antigun folks in charge of state politics and they would just ignore any Federal thing they do not like.

 

[GEM]

Even Texas is different then Florida. We can open carry in Texas, where in Florida you can not. However, in Texas, we can’t drink if we carry.

That is not true. You can drink but you cannot be intoxicated. Also, you cannot enter an establishment that has a correct 51% sign posted. Now, some locations incorrectly post such signs and have to be reported to TABC. Obviously drinking to a level that impairs you, is stupid anywhere.

I’m 1994 we all though we lost assault weapons forever, and would not get them back at all in any form.

That is not true, either. Hundreds of thousands compliant ARs were manufactured after the AWB. They were absolutely quite functionable. In fact, the criminological research indicated that the AWB failed in part to have any impact on crime because there were so many new and equally efficacious guns sold. I bought a compliant AR after the ban and it was a fine gun. Had it for years.

One should know the laws and facts before opining.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

That is not true. You can drink but you cannot be intoxicated. Also, you cannot enter an establishment that has a correct 51% sign posted. Now, some locations incorrectly post such signs and have to be reported to TABC. Obviously drinking to a level that impairs you, is stupid anywhere.



That is not true, either. Hundreds of thousands compliant ARs were manufactured after the AWB. They were absolutely quite functionable. In fact, the criminological research indicated that the AWB failed in part to have any impact on crime because there were so many new and equally efficacious guns sold. I bought a compliant AR after the ban and it was a fine gun. Had it for years.

One should know the laws and facts before opining.

Having been a medic and seen the tests, i believe even one drink impairs you. Maybe not legally impaired to become illegal to drive or carry but still impaired none the less. I wont carry at all if i am going to drink or have had a drink. I did not realize you could drink.

I did know about the 51% rule. I thin that goes without saying.

As far as the 1994 AWB is concerned. I knew their were exceptions, but many thought that the AWB would never go away and it did in 2004. Yes their were legal ones you could still obtain by register them etc... The point i was trying to make though is that there was a AWB and eventually it went away. Then again we have a whole denate and what classifies as an AW and what doesnt. What features are required etc.... Currently some states such as CT consider my 92Fs with a threaded barrel an AW but if i replace it with a regular barrel it isnt. Yet other states with a AWB will allow it.

We could nit pick everything andthing to death if we want too, simply because there is always an exception to almost every rule. Including the rule of exceptions.

 

[toivo]

But you cannot carry anywhere like you can in some other states.

In New York, you can't carry in state parks or Thruway rest areas. Those are the only state restrictions.

All federal laws apply (post offices, etc.), just as in every other state.

I live there. I know it's bad, but let's not make it look worse than it actually is.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

This will never happen. Too many antigun folks in charge of state politics and they would just ignore any Federal thing they do not like.

Your absolutely right, with all the anti-gunners out there any major positive pro-gun law to be enacted will take an act of god.

For the most part your right about not followinf Federal gun laws. NY flagrantly disregard FOPA on a regular basis. They may not ever convict someone. But they arrest you and charge you and make you spend huge hinka of money on fighting it, hiring a lawyer etc, to finally dismiss it after they have made you apend money. I think thats their point. You end up spending money on a NY lawyer, as well as having to stay around town spending money in NY so it boosts their economy! (or so they think) and they enjoy giving us gun owners BS as well.

However we cant stop fighting, cant stop trying and cant give up hope. If your willing to do that... then just give up your guns now. lol!

 

[Texasgrillchef]

In New York, you can't carry in state parks or Thruway rest areas. Those are the only state restrictions.

All federal laws apply (post offices, etc.), just as in every other state.

I live there. I know it's bad, but let's not make it look worse than it actually is.

NY isnt the only state that doesnt allow you to carry in a state park.

Maine which is a constitutional carry state wont even let you carry in state parks without a LTC/CHL.

I never understoon the reasoning behind not carrying in any state park. Thats the one place i MOST want to carry. I have had a friend who was attacked by a bear, and i have had a distant family member killed by a bear in Canada. Meither had guns. I have come across dozens of bears. While i have never meeded to use my gun, i have had a couple of close calls. Bear spray doesnt always work either! Especially if the weather isnt cooperating in your favor. So i never understood the reasoninf behind not carrying in a state park.

State parks isnt wear criminals usually go to rob rape and pillage!

 

[George P]

In New York, you can't carry in state parks or Thruway rest areas. Those are the only state restrictions.

All federal laws apply (post offices, etc.), just as in every other state.

I live there. I know it's bad, but let's not make it look worse than it actually is.

You can carry in state government buildings? Some states allow that? You can get your concealed license easily and quickly with no major expense or time period involved? Things must have changed then from the last I saw.

 

[toivo]

You can carry in state government buildings? Some states allow that? You can get your concealed license easily and quickly with no major expense or time period involved? Things must have changed then from the last I saw.

I can find no law that bans carry in state government buildings, but I can't say for sure that there isn't one. I know that you can't carry in courthouses.

My CCL took three months and a little over $100 to get. That's not ideal, but it's not too bad.

 

[toivo]

NY isnt the only state that doesnt allow you to carry in a state park.

Maine which is a constitutional carry state wont even let you carry in state parks without a LTC/CHL.

There is an exception in NY for hunting, but you're right -- it makes no sense.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

There is an exception in NY for hunting, but you're right -- it makes no sense.

Which makes even less sense, I can carry my rifle to shoot deer, or hog, or a shotgun to shoot quail or pheasant or dove, but I can’t carry a handgun?
Go figure... but then again most (not all) anti gun laws that anti gunners want passed don’t make that much logical sense anyways.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

My CCL took three months and a little over $100 to get. That's not ideal, but it's not too bad.

After applying for so far a total of 6 CHL/LTC’s and checking out the possibility of 5 others. I can tell you for all costs involved it seems to me that the average cost for a CHL/LTC runs between $100-$200 average.

For Texas I spent $40 for the application fee, $15 for fingerprints, and $85 for the class, and $20 on ammo. For a total of $160.

Utah, application fee, training, fingerprints, and the fact I had to have a TX LTC first. Was about $250

Illinois... $600, $300 alone for the application fee.

NH, CT, Main, all used the same NRA basic pistol course. One time fee of $150 including range and ammo. but then applications fees. Min was Maine at $60, Nh at $100 and CT at $165

So all in all $100 ain’t bad!

Time wise, Texas took 90 days, Utah and Maine 60 days, NH 14 days, CT will take 5 months, And Illinois informed me today it will take 5 months for non-resident.
So I won’t see my Illinois and CT license until January or February.