Cut down Mosin-Nagant

[kestak]

Greetings,

I am sure it will go under the stupid questions. But just for the heck of it:

I saw a picture of a Mosin-Nagant with the barrell and the stock cut. It was looking almost like a black powder handgun.

It is called a Obrez : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I

If you do not have a shoulder stock on it (you cut it off, can you legally cut the barrell under the 16" measure of a bolt-action rifle? It becomes a handgun. Not a very ergonomic one, but one still. Or because it was a rifle, it can't be done legally?

Thank you

 

[ramis]

That belongs to a member here called PTK.

I believe it's a SBR. So you have to get a $200 Tax stamp.

Ahhhh, here's the original thread.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=355622

 

[dmazur]

In addition to complying with NFA, you need to check your state laws. Some states do not permit SBR's even if you jump through the federal hoops...

 

[PTK]

Yes, it involved a $200 tax as an SBR, it's mine, it's a range toy, and it was worth every single penny.

 

[panrobercik]

Insurgents did this to rifles during WW2. The cutting was done with a hacksaw and a new crown would be made with a file. It made impressive exit wounds.

 

[elmerfudd]

You can convert a pistol to a rifle legally, but if you convert a rifle to a pistol then you have to get the NFA tax stamp.

 

[Kind of Blued]

You can convert a pistol to a rifle legally, but if you convert a rifle to a pistol then you have to get the NFA tax stamp.

Slapping a buttstock on a pistol (making it a rifle) without a tax stamp is illegal, so no, not really.

 

[WardenWolf]

That's honestly one of the meanest hoglegs you could have.

 

[SaxonPig]

KoB- You have to add the 16" barrel as well to make it legal. Kits with a 16" barrel and buttstock to fit the 1911 have been around for many years. You are correct in that just adding the stock is a no-no due to minimum barrel length requirements.

 

[elmerfudd]

Slapping a buttstock on a pistol (making it a rifle) without a tax stamp is illegal, so no, not really.

It's only illegal if the barrel or overall length is too short in which case you have converted a pistol into an illegal rifle. It's not an illegal rifle because you started with a pistol though. It's illegal because the barrel is too short and it hasn't been OK-d by the ATF.

 

[PTK]

panrobercik,

It's been done since 1891, for these rifles. First real recorded incidents (of cut down rifles like this) involved the Crimean war.

Mike the Wolf

Yes, yes it is.

 

[panrobercik]

PTK, have you actually shot a solid object to see the devastation done by an unstabilized bullet ? I heard stories from old Polish people who used those during WW2 that they would make an instant kill at close distance and leave giant exit wounds