CZ-52 Defensive Capabilities?

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I've got the CZ52 and a bunch of Makarovs.

The CZ is a big gun. The bullet is little but it will take a lot to stop it.
I'm thinking of leaving mine in the car.

The Mak is medium size.
Totally reliable.
Very accurate.
Inexpensive magazines and ammo.
Bullet weights up to 115 grain at 1,000 fps.
With a proper configured pistol, ammo can be reloaded to come close to the 9mm.
The gun is built like a tank, but if needed inexpensive new replacement parts are available.

I've done tests on a brand new MAK, where I've loaded it and buried it in the mud, froze it, filled it fill of crud, soaked it in water, shot it upside down and sideways, fired it with full load 9mm rounds, fired ammo loaded with 38 bullets and several more things I forgot.

The gun missfired ONE time because the slide was packed with mud behind the firing pin.
Immediately the trigger was pulled again and the gun fired.

Get a Makarov. ;)

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My CZ 52 is my car gun. If car or gun is stolen, no huge monetary loss (gunwise!). Also, it should deliver superior barrier penetration--just what you might need in a car gun. I'll take it over a .38 or even a .45 through treated autoglass (which is REAL common around here). For overall car gun purposes, I put it below magnum wheelguns, and 10mm and 357SIG autoloaders.

Reed's stuff is great--feeds like a charm. That .30 caliber XTP flying at you at those speeds would be a real hurt.
 
I bought a CZ 52 and regret it already. It only fires on every other round.
I took it apart and everything looks ok. I polished up the fireing pin and checked the springs. It just doesn't go bang everytime. I ordered a new
hammer spring, and may need a new fireing pin. Maybe the fly by night gunshow dealer will give me my money back if I can find him.
 
The 7.62x25 is certainly a potent round... for a handgun. Its not as ugly as say a 12ga, but with the proper ammo, it will do the job. If you can find expanding ammo for it, it will pack a hefty wallop. If not, FMJ will be a bit of a hazard in an urban area. This round penetrates a lot... I mean A LOT.
 
Wolf makes great 7.62X25 hollowpoints!!!

The CZ 52 is a big, very powerful, single action gun. But, then again, so are many .45s. Just cock it before you shoot. It does have one advantage over .45s, however, in that it's very, very flat.

Yes, the FMJ will go through a couple of cars. But, Wolf hollowpoints are pure awesome, monster SD rounds. Shoot some wet newspaper bundles with those hollowpoints and look at the diameter of the hole they make; they don't penetrate anywhere near like the FMJ. Folks say that .357 is great for SD all the time so why not this?

If you replace that firing pin, it'll definitely do the job. I have two and, once tweaked, I prefer them to a .45. It's a great gun and it's easy, easy, easy to clean and maintain. I love my CZ 52s. For $100, grab it. Just make sure you bring him to the range a few times so he can muster up a bit of competency.

Note: The FMJ does really sail through stuff, for real. It's great for practice but if you have neighbors or bystanders in the vicinity, you may have a problem. Use the HPs for business, ok?
 
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hi

The Czech CZ 52 has the same racy modern look that was exhibited by the flying wing or the nuclear powered ship Savannah, a look distinct to the 1950s. And while the CZ 52 was largely unknown in this country until recently, it is a fascinating shooter that many of us enjoy using. A great plus is the fact that the pistol is dirt cheap. Ammunition is finally available from a reliable resource, in the form of Winchester white box ammunition. During the past few months I have fired a recorded 1,000 rounds of the new offering with excellent results. While an import, Winchester has assured me the new offering is held to exacting standards. They are correct. The loads are very consistent, very accurate, and blistering fast. But I am getting ahead of myself. Lets take a hard look at the pistol itself.

Czech armories have an excellent reputation for producing workmanlike, durable firearms. The Bren machinegun is one example of a Czech design, and the well known and respected CZ 75 pistol is another. After the Soviet occupation of Czechoslovakia after World War Two, the Czechs were required to conform to Soviet standards as far as ammunition went. While some satellite nations produced their own versions of the Tokarev, the Czechs produced something unique to chamber the 7.62mm Tokarev cartridge. The CZ 52 is a most interesting pistol with several good features. The pistol has an unwieldy shape, to be certain, and has to be carefully aimed since it has little of the feel and balance of, say, a Browning High Power. Still, when held in a proper two hand firing position the piece is quite manageable. But it is an astonishing pistol in other ways. The CZ 52 is a single action design that incorporates one of the first hammer drop safeties ever fitted. The safety is actuated or pressed completely upward to drop the hammer. This alleviates a concern in handling single action pistols. The pistol was designed to allow "cocked and locked" carry and of course it is recommended the piece be carried chamber empty. The sights are nothing to brag about, but as good as any from the era. The trigger is usually clean enough for a military pistol, breaking at around five pounds.

The most interesting aspect of the pistol is the delayed roller locking action. The design was previously used by Mauser and evolved into the CETME rifle and then the Heckler and Koch G 3. The lock holds the action shut until a certain point in the pressure curve is reached, then the action releases the barrel to recoil, and the roller cams move in troughs to allow this movement. This is accomplished by two rollers at one end of the barrel and a sliding cam. The cam is actuated by the recoil spring. An ingenious, elegant action, this type of firing action allows fine accuracy. While the pistol fires a powerful cartridge, it is the same cartridge used by the Soviet Tokarev. The CZ 52 is generally held to be stronger than the Tokarev, although it would take serious high end loads to prove this. I have fired much the same ammunition in either with good results. The Tokarev seems a bit more robust and reliable than the CZ 52 in fact, but that is an impression formed by firing only a half dozen examples of each. The Tokarev handles more quickly and has better combat sights, while the CZ pistol is considerably more accurate and has better safety features. There are those who believe the CZ 52 is the most accurate military pistol ever built. This is a bold statement, but when we consider the type of pistols usually adopted by the military, this is a fair statement. The CZ 52 is probably as accurate as even the vaunted SIG P 210. With good ammunition - a rarity until recently - the CZ may group five shots into a group of two inches or less at twenty five yards. There are those who have stated the CZ 52 was designed to handle a special ‘hot’ Czech loading. I have fired quite a bit of Tokarev caliber ammunition, and most break 1,400 to 1,550 fps, with the current Winchester offering breaking 1545 fps and giving this shooter a two inch twenty five yard grouping. I have fired European surplus, sold as Bulgarian, that delivered a whopping 1,614 fps. This load gives scant advantage in wound potential, however, as the same full metal jacket bullet is used in this load. Nevertheless, this is a hot cartridge that penetrates military web gear in a much better fashion than the 9mm Luger. Over the years, I obtained several boxes of original Russian ammunition, stamped 1943, from the Old Western Scrounger. These loads were consistent and accurate, but of course they are corrosive and required prompt cleaning. I also fired Chinese ball because it was cheap, and found it delivered poor accuracy and the POW bang POW POW bang common to this ammunition, with a standard deviation of as much as 134 fps!

I have modified a number of CZ 52 pistols with the high quality firing pins and other gear offered by Makarov.com. It is good to have a source for replacement parts and in some cases the action of the CZ pistol has been improved. By the way, field stripping this pistol is simplicity itself. There are two projections in front of the trigger guard. Pull them downward and the slide is moved slightly forward, off the frame. That is disassembly!

I have tested a number of hand loads in this CZ, and the results have been most interesting. It is not everyday we find a pistol that can break 1,700 fps with a hollow point bullet of good construction. The pistol has the accuracy and power and there is no reason it cannot be a passing fair varmint or pest slayer. There is even a specialized personal defense load available for the CZ 52. I have used quite a bit of MagSafe ammunition over the years, and I have to state that quality control is at the highest point I have witnessed. It is difficult to achieve good accuracy from what is basically a handmade bullet, but the MagSafe loads have succeeded. The 52 grain MagSafe achieves 2150 fps from the CZ 52, measured at fifteen feet from the muzzle. Accuracy is good for this type of load, under four inches for a five shot group at twenty five yards. While the CZ 52 is not my first choice for personal defense, a CZ 52 or Tokarev with this load would have to be respected! I have tested enough of this load to confirm that it is accurate and feeds reliably not only in my personal CZ 52 but a Polish Tokarev as well.

The CZ is a most interesting piece, well worth the modest cost as a recreational shooter. If you are bored with standard firearms, this is a piece that will amaze you with the velocity and performance available.

General Accuracy and Velocity
Ammunition Velocity 25-Yard Group
Winchester "white box" 1545 fps 2.0 inches
MagSafe 2150 fps 3.5 inches
Handload: 85-grain FMJ / 7.0 grains Accurate #5 1249 fps 4.0 inches
Handload: 90-grain Hornady XTP / 11.0 grains H-110* 1267 fps 3.0 inches
Handload: 90-grain Hornady XTP / 14.1 grains H-110** 1719 fps 2.5 inches
 
My fault, I was looking for a second opinion and dredged this up. After replacing the firing pin and hammer spring, and another spring mine jumped to shooting a whole 75% of the time. I could buy a new pistol that actually fire when you pull the trigger for what this cost in upgrades. So I traded it for a new Sigma and glad I could. The dealer did give me my money back toward it so I take back what I said. I was out the parts cost and tax.
If you can't count on it, it doesn't count.
 
for just the home,used mossy 12 or 20 with reduced power buck.standard stock and a light if $ allow.
 
Atblis said:
The trigger sucks
The firing pins breaks regularly
The safety/decocker thing is a joke and easily gets flipped on while shooting
Reliability is questionable
The sights suck
Accuracy is decent/good if you can shoot the damn thing.


I have not had any these problems with my CZ52. Of course I do use care when cleaning and lubing my pistol in the same manner as I do for my 45 auto. I use Wilson Combat grease on the slide and rollers, Tri-Flow teflon oil on the barrel & cam lock. This makes a noticeable difference.

My CZ52 makes nice tight groups too. The only modification I did was put in a Harrington firing pin since the original one is brittle. Sure I could complain about the recoil, but that's the trade off for a very high velocity round that can penetrate well past 28 inches in ballistic gelatin (seriously, it can). Shooting gloves reduce the beating your hands take. If you read history, the 7.62x25 round was the KGB's favorite caliber for executions and penetrating heavy clothing & body armor. Max2004 has it right. This a military firearm built to be FUNCTIONAL and DURABLE and does that very well. It was not meant to be pretty looking or for recreational shooting. This is a cold war era pistol made to do one job - seriously injure or kill a target.

It feeds reliably, always fires every time I pull the trigger, ammo is plentiful and cheap (cheaper than reloading). I'm used to military sights so it hits right where I point the thing every time. Could not do better for a cheap pistol with ballistics that are pretty darn close to a M-1 carbine rifle but you can carry on your belt. Still, I prefer my 45 auto for personal defense. But don't get me wrong, I like my hand cannon. It's loads of fun at the range when you can go BOOM!!!! :D

In a nutshell, sounds like you need to field strip your pistol and clean/lube it real good. I'll climb down off my soapbox now.
 
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who is saying the 7.62x25 is an underpowered round? look at the ballistics. it hits with about the same force as a 45acp. with some hollow points, it would be a pretty good defensive round.

the .357 is a smaller round with excessive penetration using fmj ammo ... and it has been proven time and again to be an excellent manstopper.

why is .357 acceptable for sd but not the 7.62x25? rating 7.62x25 below .380 for sd seems ridiculous and wrong.
 
In defense of CZ 52s....

They're wild, reliable guns when they are mechanically up to spec with good springs and a decent firing pin (or a Harrington firing pin kit.)

I very familiar with them and I have yet to run into one that was plain no good. Lots of them were barely tacked together when they were re-arsenaled. When the pins are properly peened, when the magazines and their feed lips are good, and when the springs are swapped out, 52s flat out scream. They're as simple as a Model T but they're also very high performance.
 
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Yup...and the simplicity yet excellence of its design makes for a great gun. That's why I got one. And besides, it don't go bang, it goes BOOM!!:D
 
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They're wild, reliable guns when they are mechanically up to spec with good springs and a decent firing pin (or a Harrington firing pin kit.)

I very familiar with them and I have yet to run into one that was plain no good. Lots of them were barely tacked together when they were re-arsenaled. When the pins are properly peened, when the magazines and their feed lips are good, and when the springs are swapped out, 52s flat out scream. They're as simple as a Model T but they're also very high performance.

Yup...and the simplicity yet excellence of its design makes for a great gun. That's why I got one. And besides, it don't go bang, it goes BOOM!!:D

who is saying the 7.62x25 is an underpowered round? look at the ballistics. it hits with about the same force as a 45acp. with some hollow points, it would be a pretty good defensive round.

the .357 is a smaller round with excessive penetration using fmj ammo ... and it has been proven time and again to be an excellent manstopper.

why is .357 acceptable for sd but not the 7.62x25? rating 7.62x25 below .380 for sd seems ridiculous and wrong.

Woad, Squeaky, and Harmon nailed it with the above comments. If you have a 52 that didn't get thrashed in the re-arsenal process or better yet one that has never been re-arsenaled, they're an impressive piece and reliable as anything......If you're gonna buy one buy an original finish grey one, not the re-arsenal black ones.....IMO

Just impressed the hell out of my longtime buddy after he shot my 52 this past weekend. He's a straight up 1911 guy and has little respect for much else. Being a machinist by trade, he was impressed with the engineering and even more so impressed with the 52 after shooting it. Needless to say, I was rather shocked, figuring he'd scoff at it.....The only thing he didn't like was the sights and I agreed, they're crap. ;)

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I'd get him into a Makarov, or a 12GA pump before the CZ. If he ever intended to carry the Makarov would be the natural choice, but for pure home defense nothing quite says it like a 12GA shotgun. Even a 20GA if his lady friend isn't comfortable shooting the 12 would work well.
 
Isn't 7.62 x 25 better than a FMJ 9mm? Thats what I've heard.

http://www.brassfetcher.com/762x25mm.html

Have you checked out Brassfetcher? ...... The little 85 grain capsule to COM would be very bad medicine, even in FMJ. :evil:



I'd get him into a Makarov, or a 12GA pump before the CZ. If he ever intended to carry the Makarov would be the natural choice, but for pure home defense nothing quite says it like a 12GA shotgun. Even a 20GA if his lady friend isn't comfortable shooting the 12 would work well.

Yea, I wouldn't conceal carry a 52 or make it a home defense pistol.....Only if the world goes to hell. ;)
 
I find it comical guys are saying they would place the 7.62x25 BELOW a .380 for defensive use. Thats funny. It is certainly a much more powerful round than the 380 and the minuscule difference in diameter certainly isn't more important than the velocity and sectional density of the 7.62. Wolf make HPs for the 7.62 and here is another websight that loads Gold Dots and XTP hps for it. I would think either would be a good defensive round if you needed it. Personally, I would prefer a Tokarev. The CZ uses one of its grips as part of the mag well and reloading a fresh mag can get a bit wonky at times.

http://shop.reedsammo.com/category.sc?categoryId=14

(PS. I know this is an old thread but the CZ is an old pistol so maybe its fitting)
 
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