CZ 550 FS 7x57

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I just bought a CZ 550 FS in 7x57 Mauser - still waiting for the shipment to arrive, after which the rifle will have to do the California-obligatory 10 day wait at my local shop. I had originally wanted to get one of these in 6.5x55 Swedish (please -- don't suggest that I go ahead and buy a second rifle, or else my wife may get the urge to take up shooting after all, if you catch my meaning), but this one became available at a great price (it's essentially new in the box). Now that I know the gun is on its way, I've started looking around for ammo. Most everyone seems to like Prvi Partizan - their prices are good, the brass is supposed to be good for reloading (I don't reload, but I have several friends who have offered), and everyone else's prices (with the exception of S&B) seem to go up exponentially. But, of course, no one seems to have PPU 139g SP in stock right now. Just curious if anyone knows how long this has been the case and how long might it take for PPU to catch up with the demand?

Thanks!

PS Part of the reason I decided to join this forum was to be able to view pictures of 550 FS's in other threads, especially the ones with refinished stocks - beautiful! I rather doubt I have the nerve to attempt such a task.
 
Ccoyle;

Don't be surprised if your new 7x57 might prefer heavier bullets. And, if you want to see CZ fullstocks, the place to go is the CZ/BRNO forum of rimfire central. There's forums over there for centerfires, lefties, you name it.

First, have one of your reloader friends determine the OAL to lands distance in the chamber of your new gun. This is the length of the assembled dummy round that puts the ogive of the bullet on the lands of the rifleing. It is not unknown for that length to exceed the magazine's ability to hold a round that long. Don't worry about it, it's just a very useful piece of information for future reference. When assembling test loads for any given gun it's good to know if the bullets are .010" off the lands, .030" off the lands, etc. It can, and frequently does, make a difference in accuracy.

You do know it's got a single-set trigger, right? Do you have any idea of what glass you intend to put on it? Or will you leave it as an iron sighted gun?

900F
 
The 7x57 is the old, long version of the 7mm-08. Both are great rounds. It just sounds cooler when you say you have the classic.
 
CB900F, I got the the 550 because I love Mannlicher stocks and my aging eyes needed something i could put glass on (I know that will offend some Mannlicher purists); my other rifle is a pre-64 Winchester 94, but I have been borrowing a friend's scoped .243 for the last several deer seasons. All the scopes I have hunted with have been 3-9x variables. Around here we do not get long-distance shots; in fact, the longest shot I have ever taken a deer with was ~70 yds and most have been much closer. I know some people might think that at those distances, why bother with a scope? Well, over iron sights I know I can hit somewhere on the deer, but I prefer a scope's sight picture and precision, plus I get a few more minutes to hunt at dawn and dusk. Ultimately I think I will be swayed more by a scope's low-light performance than anything else. I will probably have loaner glass on the rifle until I scrape up some more allowances. Thanks for the input!

PS Yes, I know about the set trigger, and I know I will have fun experimenting with it. But, truthfully, I have never had a trigger job on any of the guns I own, some of which would probably be considered stiff by persons with more experience than I have. But they're what I am used to, so I don't anticipate any difficulty with the 550's unset trigger.
 
Hi,

I have two CZ 550's one in 6.5 and the other 30-06, both normal rifles. You may want to sit for a couple of evenings and really work your bolt over and over, about 1000 cycles will smooth it up.

The Privi has great brass, better than the S&B. The S&B tends to be thicker walled and slightly more difficult to form, not a major issue though. On my 6.5 I needed to use a different case holder as the base did not fit, slightly too thick. Cannot attest to the quality of the ammo as I only shoot reloads.

If you are going to scope it then get the lowest possible mounts, even if you have to scallop the bolt handle. The drop off on the comb is sufficient to stop a good positive cheek weld. The stocks were designed for open sights. I have neoprene socks on both my CZ in order to raise the height of the comb.

My friend has your rifle in normal configuration. He could not get it to shoot so I bedded the action and developed a load for him based on 150gr. Sierra Game Kings, he recently shot a 0.42 and a 0.26MOA group with his rifle. By the way, we simply could not get the same accuracy with 165gr. for some obscure reason and neither could we get any Hornady bullet to shoot in his rifle.

I would seriously consider bedding of the action but NOT the forearm portion, that will set you back enormously.

Enjoy your new rifle
 
The 7x57mm Is a great classic cartridge. It was my first center fire rifle 45 years ago and I still own at least one.
I also own a couple CZ550 full stocks. 30-06 and 9.3x62mm They are a very neat rifles.

The scope rings are too high on my 30-06 CZ550FS, I actually prefer to use this rifle without a scope.

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A lot of guys buy a smaller objective scope to try get low over the barrel. Unfortunately the lowest rings will still allow for a 40mm scope so nothing is gained from the smaller objective other than cost. You may have to scallop the bolt handle a little though.
 
Ccoyle;

Sir, you have nothing to tell me about aging eyes, got a pair of 'em myself. I have no problems whatsoever with your wanting to scope the gun. I'll share a couple of suggestions with you about that subject.

Operating at the ranges you do, it might make sense to put a shotgun scope on it. The parallax for those scopes is usually set at either 75 or 100 yards. Most centerfire scopes are set at 125 or 150 yards. I have several and find that Nikon is glass you can trust. Very nice optics and trouble free throughout all the one's I have, five I think. Midway has a 3-9X Slughunter available for just a whisker under $200.00 and free shipping. If you'd rather a non-shotgun scope, they also have the 3-9X target EFR for ten bucks less and free shipping. The EFR, Extended Focus Range, will let you focus down to about 30 feet or so.

However, it's a Euro rifle shooting an absolutely classic Euro cartridge, and therefore you may wish to put Euro glass on it. The Zeiss Conquest 3-9X 40mm is just beautiful glass backed by folks who will take care of you. Not inexpensive, but both in keeping with the gun and worth the money. Particularly if those first and last minutes of light are important to your hunting style. I have two of the Conquests, 3.5-10X 44mm mil-dots, and am extremely well pleased with them.

T'were me, I'd pull the action and see what the interior of the stock looks like on that Mannlicher. If there's much "hair", and the inletting is obviously generous, it'd be a prime candidate for an action bedding job. The CZ rimfire fullstocks are notoriously accurate little beasts though, and your's may very well not need anything done to it. A good friend of mine has one in 9.3X62mm and it shoots quite nicely indeed as shipped from the factory.

900F
 
I would buy

new 7mm brass, bullets, etc and have my buddy work me up some cartridges. 7mm Mauser (in 175 gr soft points) is good for just about anything in N America out to 200 yards except for moose or brown bear though I would try it out on them also if I had the chance. You mention the 6.5 Swede. This is actually my favorite cartridge in 160 grain. Accurate, light recoil and easy to load for. Great cartridge.
 
So -- UPS apparently did not think shipping my new rifle was a high priority, but after a leisurely 12-day journey across the country, followed by a Kalifornistan-mandated 10-day wait, I finally got to pick it up yesterday. I ordered some Burris rings for it (on the way) and borrowed a 4x scope from a friend. Still trying to find some ammo locally that won't cost me an arm and a leg, but I may have to bite the bullet (figuratively speaking) and fork out some dough, just so I can have a get-acquainted session at the range. I followed the advice of those who suggested cycling the action a bunch of times to smooth it out; it seems perfectly fine to me after about 100 cycles, rather than the 300-1,000 I've seen recommended. So far, I am super impressed with the quality of the wood, the fit and finish, and the overall feel of the gun. Yes, it is a bit heavy, but it shoulders and points very nicely. The set trigger is amazing - it seems to break at just the thought of squeezing. I will add a range report after I take her out.

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A friend has one of those. A good shooter, but you have much better grain and finish on the stock.

I don't know how much help all the benchrest ritual will be with a full stock. Ken Waters had a real Mannlicher that he gave up on and had Stoeger fit and bed a rifle stock to. Accuracy improved considerably..
 
Shopping for ammo, though, has been a chore. Finally found 100 rds of PPU 139 gr SP at Gunbroker for a reasonable price per round. Should last me a while. Now all I have to do is wait (some more) for the rings and ammo to arrive.
 
Just FYI I shoot the S&B 173 gr. SPCE and it's a fine round for hunting, I'd be comfortable shooting anything in the lower 48 with that bullet.
 
Thanks for that input. The heavier bullet weights are not as hard to find. Having deer hunted almost exclusively with .243 and .30-30, I didn't really want to jump up to the higher muzzle energy and recoil of the heavier rounds.
 
The 7x57 is the old, long version of the 7mm-08. Both are great rounds. It just sounds cooler when you say you have the classic.
Not really... the 7mm-08 was introduced in the early 80s, 1980s that is! It's a 308 case necked-down to .284 or 7mm. The 7x57 Mauser goes waaaaay back into the late 1800s and contains a wee bit more case capacity than the 7mm-08. The kicker is SAAMI has the pressures way down for the old 7x57 because they don't want folks using modern loads in some of the older and weaker military pre-98 actions, for instance the ones that cock on close like the Spanish model 93s.

I have a model 98 that I re-barreled with an ER Shaw 22" and have worked-up plenty of handloads over the years. I like the lighter 7mm bullets even though their BCs aren't as impressive compared to the heavier ones. I've had great luck with the old Hornady 139gr.

All that said, if you're buying factory ammo, it's going to be loaded down and truth is your new CZ 550 FS can handle much hotter loads. I would highly suggest reloading when it comes to any of the old Mauser military cartridges.

I've got a CZ 550 FS in 6.5x55 Swedish and love it. For grins I bought a box of Remington factory ammo and it chrono-ed at 2500 fps. I think they were 130-140 gr bullets; can't recall at the moment. Handloaded 130s were 250-300 fps hotter. That's significant.
 
Ooohh! We have a wood lottery winner!!

900F, there's a little story behind that that I hope no one will mind me sharing -- perhaps others can take something away from my experience. Call it the education of a neophyte gun buyer.

Although I love guns, hunting, and shooting sports, I'm not what one might call a gun-nut (my wife thinks I'm a gun-nut, but it's a relative term, right?). I don't have gobs of liquid assets to splurge on firearms (might be fun if I did, but I don't). So, when it came time to replace the old Winchester 94 and its iron sights, I set to the task of finding a new rifle with the idea in mind that it would probably be the hunting rifle for me, so it would behoove me to get it right the first time. I read A LOT about different rifles and spent a lot of time on Gunbroker, which is where I found my first handgun purchase. I learned the pros and cons of different rifles and also became familiar with the price range for each, both new and used. I also had several criteria the rifle needed to meet: 1) It had to have a wood stock. Since this was going to be the rifle I carried around with me, it had to be something that would bring me satisfaction of ownership, and plastic/synthetic just didn't make my heart leap. At all. 2) It had to be durable, reliable, and have a reputation for at least modest accuracy. The vital organs area of a deer is a fair-sized target, and most shots around here are under 100 yds, so I didn't need something that could take the whisker off a gnat at 500 yds. 3) It had to be a mild-kicking caliber. 4) It had to pass the 'no regrets' test, meaning after I purchased it, would I be happy having it and not some other rifle x that I passed up?

I have always loved the look of full-stocked rifles, and of course there aren't tons of them available for sale these days. None of the local gun shops had any in stock, and in any case a new Ruger M77 International or CZ was going to be out of my price range. I could afford a new Zastava M70, but they were only being imported in .243, .270. and .30-06, calibers that were outside the range I was looking for. Plus, no shops had any Zastavas in stock, either. While I was saving up for my rifle, I monitored Gunbroker religiously and tracked the final selling prices of rifles I was interested in. That's how I learned of the occasional used CZ going for about $650.

After I had enough money saved up, a CZ 550 FS in 6.5 SWE was listed on Gunbroker with a 'buy now' price within my range. But, as has been noted here and elsewhere, the figure on a CZ walnut stock can be a crap shoot. The wood on the rifle in the ad was decent, but not great - that rifle didn't pass the 'no regrets' test.

At that point, I began expanding my search for a CZ, and here's where the lesson comes in. I started looking on every gun trading site I could find (Guns of America, Armslist, etc.), as well as the buy/sell forums here and on other large forums. I Googled every variation on the CZ 550 FS theme I could think of. I dug deep, meaning I read past the first few pages of hits, hoping maybe something got missed.

Finally, I found this rifle on Armslist. It was the last rifle listed on three pages of CZs. There was only one picture in the ad, and the wood looked like it might be nice, but it was kind of hard to tell for sure. Also, it had been mistakenly described as being chambered in 7x57R. The reason the ad had been bumped down to the last listing was because it had been created two months prior. When I opened the ad, it stated 'no shipping'. Still, it was hard to believe a CZ at that price and in its described condition hadn't sold yet. So, I emailed the seller, asked him about the caliber, if he could send additional photos, and if he would reconsider shipping, since the listing was already two months old. He clarified the caliber question, said he would ship, and the extra photos showed the rifle was a keeper. I jumped on the deal.

So, here's the lesson for anyone with just enough dough to buy that once-in-your-lifetime rifle: do your homework, figure out what you really want and how much you are willing to spend for it, then start looking for it. You might have to really look. Be patient and leave no stone unturned. Chances are, you can find the rifle you are really dreaming of.

Hope I didn't bore anyone too badly.
 
Absolutely bee-a-utiful!

Among the ever growing list of "Firearms I Hope I can Own Someday" (I keep it on my iPhot for easy access :rolleyes:) I have the CZ550 FS in both 6.5x55 and 9.3x62.

The more I shoot the CZs, the more I enjoy taking them out. It all started when I bought that first CZ452. I now own a 452 American in .22LR, .22WMR, .17HM2, and .17HMR.

They multiply! I also hope someday to has a 452 FS in .22WMR.

Maybe someday.

Either way, congrats on the beautiful rifle and for having patience. Looks like you truly have a keeper and followed all your guidelines while awaiting for the beauty to come to light!
 
Not sure about the 550's, but just a FYI...I recently discovered the regular trigger on my 527 is fully adjustable for weight, creep and overtravel. All these years I thought my trigger was fine until I went through the adjustment process.:what:
 
sling options

OK, maybe you all can help me find my next accessory...

I am looking for a sling, and I am having trouble finding the 'perfect' sling for this gun. First of all, most of the slings commonly available just look too western for this gun; I'm thinking more along the lines of understated European elegance. Second, I almost always use the hasty sling technique when shooting in the field, and that limits the selection to 1" wide straps. Cobra-style and other wide patterns I find too uncomfortable to shoot with (great for carrying, though). Third, it's a carbine-length rifle. The swivels are two inches farther apart than the ones on my Winchester 94, and that rifle's sling is a comfy 30" long, so I think 32" oughta be about right for the CZ. Lots of slings I have found so far are not adjustable down to that length or anything near it.

I like this one from Jeff's Outfitters, but it only adjusts down to 37.5". Maybe I could get someone to add a few holes to it? But then maybe the strap ends would be too long. Levy Leather also makes some nice (but pricey) ones, but this one, for example, is too long, non-adjustable, and uses the wrong-sized swivels.

Any suggestions?
 
First time at the range - off to a good start.

I managed to find some PPU 139 gr SP ammo online, and it arrived today, so I promptly headed over to my friend's range. I started off with a loaner 4x fixed scope. It is made by Shin Han, a Korean firm. I could find nothing online, good or bad, about this scope, so I had no idea how it would work out. Looking down the bore from a bench rest, I sighted in on a paper target at 25 yds, then adjusted the scope crosshairs to match. It would be an understatement to say I was very pleased when the first two shots I ever took with this rifle went virtually in the same hole (upper left corner of first target).

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Adjusting the scope was a different story. Shots 3-5 showed that the windage knob was working, but the elevation knob is apparently kaput. So after my friend took a turn with the scope (same results), we took it off and shot over open sights. The CZ rear sight is adjustable for windage and elevation, and it has a hooded bead front sight. I set the windage to zero and shot the following group at 25 yds (circled in purple):

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I didn't try shooting at a paper target at 100 yds with open sights, because at that distance I can't see the bulls-eyes, but I had no trouble hitting a plate target at that distance.

I think I will definitely keep this rifle. :)
 
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