CZ/clones questions

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Well, I was right to be nervous. Went to the shop this afternoon and sure enough it was the polymer frame. I sometimes wonder why I bother to support local businesses, when in my area they are so often incompetent.

Anyone know of a source for the Armscor? I was hoping to have it for the weekend as I am making a trip to see some friends/family and will be doing some shooting. That looks to be impossible now.

ak-47man.com, also known as 5280armory says they have them but I can't get them to answer the phone. Any input gratefully received.

edit - just read ak-47man.com's site a little more carefully and apparently they're not open except Fri-Sun, so that explains that.
 
As for the CZ-75 B SA, single action, go to the group buys at the bottom of the main page. He gave me a good number on one, made no mention of limited availability, or no can get. Just have to scratch up some dough. And IMHO it is the best one besides the competition models that are over $1000.
 
Well, placed the order with Centerfire Systems. They had ONE left, they say it is steel with flat-bottom mags, which should mean it's the smaller-framed Tanfoglio... we'll find out when it arrives.
 
Success!

Arrived at my FFL today and I brought it home. Well-packed and actually has Rock Island roll marks on it. Pictures will have to wait a week or so as I am leaving tomorrow for a trip, but I will post if folks are interested.

atblis, thanks again, you were spot on in your recommendation.
 
Yeah

Make sure you give us a range report. I've been curious about the Rock Islands since I saw one at a show. I am hoping for a good alternative to EAA.
 
Just back from my trip; the Tanfoglio/Witness/Armscor/Rock Island 9mm is a nice pistol. Was completely reliable (NO failures of any kind) with about 200 rounds of FMJ ammo. Shoots slightly low however, and it's not me - both my brother and my cousin (who's a gunsmith) also fired the pistol and found the same issue. The windage is dead-on, but the elevation is not; it has fixed 3-dot sights and I've never had a gun before that didn't shoot to point-of-aim so I'm not certain what to do about it. Any input appreciated.

I will try to post pictures within the next few days.
 
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Is the front sight dovetailed?

Contact RIA, in theory they should have taller/lower rear and or front sights to correct for this. Most manufacturers do. I guess it's possible they don't have them, as they're just getting started in the CZ clone game.
 
Front sight appears to be part of the slide, it's not dovetailed and I can't see a seam that would indicate it being staked. I'll be getting in touch with Armscor/RIA on Monday.

Pics will be forthcoming...
 
if it is shooting low..you can file the top of the front sight to raise the POI
 
Staked front sight - easy fix.

Consider your sight picture. Are you shooting combat sights or target sights?

Low is good. Means you either have to buy ammo with slower bullets or mod the sight. Either is easy.
 
Well, they're 3-dot sights. Since I'm lining up the dots as well as the sights, not sure if filing the sight will help. In any case I'd rather have one that shoots to point of aim out of the box without my changing anything, and as such will be contacting Armscor on Monday.

Again, I'm not sure if the front sight is staked or is made as one piece with the slide, I just can't tell.

Here are a few admittedly lousy pictures - just got a new camera and I'm still fooling with it. I tried to show the rollmarks but at least the one picture is an OK shot of the whole pistol.

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Incorrect. EAA front sights are actually seperate parts.
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I am almost certain the recent base model witnesses are cast as part of the slide.

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Do you think this is staked in place or part of the slide? I guess if they finished the slide with sight already on it might cover up any seams.

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That looks a lot like mine. I can't see a seam on my pistol, or in that picture. I think my only recourse right now is to contact Armscor on Monday...
 
Update: I called Armscor in Nevada today, and spoke with Ivan. He has asked me to send the pistol to them, and stated that they'd either fix the problem or send me a new pistol. If they stand by that statement, they'll have a happy customer.

The story continues...
 
Ritt... As you inspected the new gun, what were your impressions on 'quality' and workmanship... what other pistols do you own?
Don't own any RI's/Armscors but everyone I've ever spoken to says their CS is 'outstanding!'... so we'll see what happens, don't think you'll encounter problems.
 
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Base model EAA have the front sight as part of the slide..the mid level and top models have a dovetail for the front sight.

Ivan is good people..

what bullet weight and type of ammo are you shooting. different bullet types and weights will have different points of impact.

but if your favorite load isn't printing where you want it..
 
GZOh, fit and finish seemed pretty good. I managed to nick the bluing a few times while being fairly careful, so Gun-Kote may be in the pistol's future. The gun seems solidly built and well-fitted together; the groups I shot with it were pretty good (considering my ability) in terms of size, just in the wrong place...

My other pistols are: an FM Hi-Power (ex-Argentine military), factory refurbished; it's the jankyiest of my pistols but goes bang every time I pull the trigger and is reasonably accurate. I also own an early full-size Kimber, which I've had set up with an add-on light rail and Trijicon night sights. It's my nicest gun. I would compare the Armscor favorably with the Kimber, and say that it's a good bit nicer than the FM.

eerw, I was shooting some Winchester white box and some Blazer brass, all 115-grain standard velocity loadings. Again, I'm not the only one who had the problem - both my brother and my cousin fired the pistol and all of us experienced the low impact point. It appears that this gun might be what you've called the "base model" from Tanfoglio; there's no dovetail for the front sight. Maybe it's meant for hotter loads, but I confess that wouldn't please me.

Reliability with both supplied mags was 100% for about 250 rounds. All I did was take it apart, clean off the packing grease, lightly lube it, and go shoot. It had no failures of any kind, so I'm quite happy with that aspect of it.
 
a friend turned out has a couple of these..and got to see them last night at our indoor match.

guns looked nice. front sight sight is part of the slide, the fit seemed decent. triggers were decent..had that short mainspring feel to them as you pull the DA trigger. SA was heavy but decent. its based off the small frame tanfoglio..so the grip feels small like a CZ.


just asking about the ammo..since 115s are pretty common you'd hope that it would shoot POA/POI..but a heavier bullet 124 or 147 might cure that problem.
 
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