CZ P01 vs Beretta PX4
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Man, I almost spewed diet Coke all over my keyboard when I read that (LMAO).
I have both the P-01 and the PX4 (both in 9mm) and I like both guns a lot. The P-01 is defiantly easier to conceal carry than the PX4. However, when the PX4 Storm 9mm sub-compact is released later this Summer (12+1 in a very small package), that is going to be the cool gun for conceal carry.
GTSteve03
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Could you expand on this a little for me? Or anyone else with both, expand on the ease of CC.
Based on my research on CZ's and Beretta's websites, the 2 were nearly identical in height, weight, width, and the PX4 only slightly longer. Are there other features such as grip shape that makes the CZ easier to conceal?
For what it's worth, I would try to get the G model PX4 with stealth decocker and slide release to aid in CC.
Silvanus
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I think (could be wrong though) that most people who vote CZ haven't even shot the Beretta, yet. That's the problem with these polls. A lot of poeple own and like CZs so they vote for it, regardless of any experiance with a Px4.
Jiml3
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I agree with Silvanus. My favorite gun is the CZ PCR, but I didn't vote as I have never shot the Beretta Storm. I would be very interested in trying it and the S&W M&P. The bottom line is not what is your favorite gun, but if you have experience with both, which do you prefer and why?
I agree with Silvanus and Jim. I would be willing to bet most people on the board have either owned or shot a CZ but have no in depth shooting time with a PX4 so this turns into a one sided "what do you like based on your experience poll (or lack of)."
I'm not bagging on anyone that prefers the CZ it's a fine gun, I'm just guessing based on the lack of comparison from those that prefer CZ that this is the case.
Joker
I'm not bagging on anyone that prefers the CZ it's a fine gun, I'm just guessing based on the lack of comparison from those that prefer CZ that this is the case.
Joker
I guess I should have said the P-01 is a little bit easier to conceal carry than the PX4. I have a Comp-Tac Kydex IWB holster for both and the P-01 prints just a little less for me. This is due to the P-01 grip is just a little bit shorter (not by much). I also conceal carry my P-01 with the Mec-Gar 14 round mags (no rubber foot on the the floor plate like the stock mags have (you shave off a little bit more on length this way). As far as grip width, I can't remember off the top of my head which one is slimmer.
rxraptor02
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I did not vote since I only own a PX4 and never fired a CZ.
The PX4 in 9mm has been a great gun in my small collection. I have put at leat 6,000 rounds and it has never missed a beat. I find that it is very accurate and the POA/POI are spot on. My g/f loves it because the recoil is very light.
The only thing I whis was different is the decocker. I have the F model and I think the G model with the slim levers would be better.
The PX4 in 9mm has been a great gun in my small collection. I have put at leat 6,000 rounds and it has never missed a beat. I find that it is very accurate and the POA/POI are spot on. My g/f loves it because the recoil is very light.
The only thing I whis was different is the decocker. I have the F model and I think the G model with the slim levers would be better.
hrgrisso
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This is funny stuff
I find these polls funny. Not to degrade or disparage the CZ folks but you do tend to climb outta the woodwork en masse! They're like Sig owners! lol!
I voted for the Berretta and here is why*.
Four years ago I was 100% sold on the CZ-75 P-01. This would have been when they first came out. I went into the gun store and walked out with another Sig, that was 229. I just like Sigs better and when I held the CZ next to the Sig there was no contest.
The next time was a little over two years ago. Again I was still sold on the CZ and was totally sold and had money in hand! Again I walked out of the store with another Sig! This time the 239!
Last year I went to the store ready to buy the CZ and figured I had all the sigs I wanted and would go home with it. Nope, I brought home the Berretta Px4!
I love it. It's a great gun, shoots incredibly accurate and is just fun. Very comfortable in the hand. To me it was a great fit, not to mention night sights for the same price as the CZ was going for. (under 500). Over 2500 rounds no malfuntions. Rotating barrel is soooo nice! Plus it comes with different width back straps, you can adjust it for any hand. 17 rounds of 9mm, amazing!
Now my asterik! I tried converting to the Beretta as my nightstand gun. One night I heard glass breaking and I grabbed my gun and surefire to go check on my daughters. Come to find out it was nothing, some pranking drunk high schoolers threw a rock into my living room. (called the cops no worries) but when I went back to put the Beretta away, I realized I'd never taken the safety off. After carrying a Sig (decocker only) for five years I have had a dickens of a time switching to a gun with a safety, I haven't been able to make the switch.
I called Berretta about a transition to the G Model (I have the F). Beretta this morning told me that the G's new are only being imported for LEO at this time and the parts to convert the F-G are only available for LE dealers.
I just started a gun shop with a buddy and we have our FFL and have provided a few guns to LEO's and I was just going to order the parts for me. They don't have them and their is no ETA for them...
So if your ok with the safety, go with the Beretta! If you don't want a safety, be real careful before buying, the G models are out there, but your going to have to look! But your going to have to find one before me, I'm scanning Gun Broker right now...
I find these polls funny. Not to degrade or disparage the CZ folks but you do tend to climb outta the woodwork en masse! They're like Sig owners! lol!
I voted for the Berretta and here is why*.
Four years ago I was 100% sold on the CZ-75 P-01. This would have been when they first came out. I went into the gun store and walked out with another Sig, that was 229. I just like Sigs better and when I held the CZ next to the Sig there was no contest.
The next time was a little over two years ago. Again I was still sold on the CZ and was totally sold and had money in hand! Again I walked out of the store with another Sig! This time the 239!
Last year I went to the store ready to buy the CZ and figured I had all the sigs I wanted and would go home with it. Nope, I brought home the Berretta Px4!
I love it. It's a great gun, shoots incredibly accurate and is just fun. Very comfortable in the hand. To me it was a great fit, not to mention night sights for the same price as the CZ was going for. (under 500). Over 2500 rounds no malfuntions. Rotating barrel is soooo nice! Plus it comes with different width back straps, you can adjust it for any hand. 17 rounds of 9mm, amazing!
Now my asterik! I tried converting to the Beretta as my nightstand gun. One night I heard glass breaking and I grabbed my gun and surefire to go check on my daughters. Come to find out it was nothing, some pranking drunk high schoolers threw a rock into my living room. (called the cops no worries) but when I went back to put the Beretta away, I realized I'd never taken the safety off. After carrying a Sig (decocker only) for five years I have had a dickens of a time switching to a gun with a safety, I haven't been able to make the switch.
I called Berretta about a transition to the G Model (I have the F). Beretta this morning told me that the G's new are only being imported for LEO at this time and the parts to convert the F-G are only available for LE dealers.
I just started a gun shop with a buddy and we have our FFL and have provided a few guns to LEO's and I was just going to order the parts for me. They don't have them and their is no ETA for them...
So if your ok with the safety, go with the Beretta! If you don't want a safety, be real careful before buying, the G models are out there, but your going to have to look! But your going to have to find one before me, I'm scanning Gun Broker right now...
PennsyPlinker
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I voted for the CZ P-01 because I have one! 
But wait! There's more! I also have a Crimson Trace laser sight on it, which is very nice indeed for those night time or from the hip shots. I also bought the Kadet conversion kit, so I can shoot .22 LR out of my CZ whenever I want. The only thing I don't like about the Kadet is the mags stick out of the bottom, but that does not affect its shootability, only its looks while at the range.
But wait! There's more! I also have a Crimson Trace laser sight on it, which is very nice indeed for those night time or from the hip shots. I also bought the Kadet conversion kit, so I can shoot .22 LR out of my CZ whenever I want. The only thing I don't like about the Kadet is the mags stick out of the bottom, but that does not affect its shootability, only its looks while at the range. GTSteve03
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Guys, guys, calm down! 
Don't worry, I'm not looking at this as a "rah rah" popularity contest, where the winner of the poll gets my hard earned $$$.
I owned a CZ Compact in the past but had troubles with it, however I'm willing to give CZ a second chance since I bought the gun used. I'm also quite respectful of Beretta's 500+ years of gun making! Both of these guns have my respect and I appreciate any and all contributions to this thread, even from people who have not owned both guns.
So please, lets keep it civil, and leave it at what you see are the pros/cons of each, but only if you've actually owned or shot the guns. (And no more comments about how the PX4 resembles lawn equipment, even if it was funny)
Don't worry, I'm not looking at this as a "rah rah" popularity contest, where the winner of the poll gets my hard earned $$$.
I owned a CZ Compact in the past but had troubles with it, however I'm willing to give CZ a second chance since I bought the gun used. I'm also quite respectful of Beretta's 500+ years of gun making! Both of these guns have my respect and I appreciate any and all contributions to this thread, even from people who have not owned both guns.
So please, lets keep it civil, and leave it at what you see are the pros/cons of each, but only if you've actually owned or shot the guns. (And no more comments about how the PX4 resembles lawn equipment, even if it was funny
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Jason_G said:
I know that. I read very well. I wrote what I wrote, recommending the CZ, as the OP requested, not because I own one, but because that ownership gives me a perspective beyond a lot of the blather that occurs here from people who speak forth based on pictures, or opinions of others they have read.
I own one because:
1. I was able to put a Crimson Trace laser sight on it
2. I was able to add a .22 conversion kit for it.
Oh yeah, it is a pretty good shooter.
These are the reasons I own a CZ 75 P-01. These are the reasons I recommended it to the OP, who asked for recommendations. I am not and will not recommend something to someone simply because I own it. I do not need that kind of validation to make my choices feel better to me. What he buys is entirely up to him and will not impact my life at all, unless he decides to come to my house and shoot me with it. But he asked for recommendations, so I gave him one based on my experience.
For the record, I have never shot the PX4, although I have shot, and even owned Berettas in the past. Personally I don't care for the mushy feel of the recoil. But that is just me. Maybe you like it like that. Maybe he will like it better. I would ask if you have ever shot a CZ, but I'm not really interested.
Ok, I took a pic (please excuse my poor picture taking skills, bedspread design and my somewhat butchered modification to the Hogue full size CZ-75 rubber grips on my P-01 ) of my CZ P-01 and my Beretta PX4 Storm side by side (grip-to-grip) tonight, so you can get a size comparison between the two. As you can see, the PX4 is a little bit bigger gun overall. Both guns are great at the range (both are very accurate in my opinion and the PX4 soaks up the recoil real nice), but I give a slight edge to the P-01 for when it comes to IWB conceal carry. Like I said, when the new PX4 9mm Sub-Compact comes out later this year, it will be at the top of my list, making for another great conceal carry piece.
) of my CZ P-01 and my Beretta PX4 Storm side by side (grip-to-grip) tonight, so you can get a size comparison between the two. As you can see, the PX4 is a little bit bigger gun overall. Both guns are great at the range (both are very accurate in my opinion and the PX4 soaks up the recoil real nice), but I give a slight edge to the P-01 for when it comes to IWB conceal carry. Like I said, when the new PX4 9mm Sub-Compact comes out later this year, it will be at the top of my list, making for another great conceal carry piece.
Rumble
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Wow. The PX4 is a lot bigger, actually (well, a "lot" as far as it goes with compact guns). I've seen them in the display case, and they didn't look like they were that much larger. Hm.
The PX4 is definately larger. The reason being....the PX4 is not a compact model....it's a duty sized pistol that holds 14/17 rounds of
.40 or 17/20 rounds of 9mm. This is an apples and oranges comparison poll. Next we'll compare a P226 against a G26.
joker
.40 or 17/20 rounds of 9mm. This is an apples and oranges comparison poll. Next we'll compare a P226 against a G26.
joker
The PX4 comes in a sub compact that is much smaller & looks pretty cool.
http://www.berettaweb.com/BERETTA_PX4_Storm_SubCompact/Beretta_PX4_SubCompact.htm
http://www.berettaweb.com/BERETTA_PX4_Storm_SubCompact/Beretta_PX4_SubCompact.htm
GTSteve03
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Wow, thanks AZGlock for that picture. It really does a better job of comparing the size than numbers on a webpage.
The CZ is definitely smaller in the grip area than what it would seem when just looking at the listed heights of both guns. I can see why it would be easier to conceal now. Of course, you do gain ammo capacity with the PX4, but you could always put the standard CZ mags in a P01, then of course it loses some of its concealability.
I can find PX4s going for blowout prices on Gunbroker, but only in .40 cal! Argh, where are all the 9mms?
The CZ is definitely smaller in the grip area than what it would seem when just looking at the listed heights of both guns. I can see why it would be easier to conceal now. Of course, you do gain ammo capacity with the PX4, but you could always put the standard CZ mags in a P01, then of course it loses some of its concealability.
I can find PX4s going for blowout prices on Gunbroker, but only in .40 cal! Argh, where are all the 9mms?
Rumble
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Ah. Well, that would explain it.
GTSteve03
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I wouldn't go quite that far in calling it apples to oranges.
Both pistols are nearly identical in weight, width, and length. The P01 is only slightly shorter due to mag capacity. The PX4 isn't really a "full size" nor is the P01 really a "subcompact." The comparison would be more like a Glock 17 vs 19.
Besides, I was trying to compare DA/SA pistols of similar, but not exact size, since there's not exactly a plethora of them out there, unlike Glocks & clones.
Thank you. That's what I was pointing out. I don't see how you can recommend one product over another that you have never tried. It's like saying "I like bananas better than apples," when you've never laid hands on an apple in your life.
Jason
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Steve, Steve, Steve
I understand what your saying. Your comparing like sized guns with matching features to decide what to get. The only thing I'm trying to say is that if your going to compare a compact pistol to a compact pistol that's one thing but your comparing a compact pistol to a full sized pistol.
The CZ P01 is CZ's "compact" pistol (that's what they call it).
The PX4 is a full sized duty pistol (that's what they made it to be and call it).
To make a size comparison of a compact and full sized pistol for a CCW pistol is "apples and oranges".
If you want to compare the P01 to a Taurus PT-111 they are both at least in the same category of firearm. If you want to compare the P01 to the new Subcompact PX4 coming out this month......then that's a fair comparison also....they're both made for CCW. The PX4 subcompact is quite a bit smaller than the P01 and carries 13 rounds of 9mm.
The full sized PX4 was made and built around the .40, it is a bit big for CCW because that's not what it was made for (but I use it as my backup CCW) because with the right holster I can get away with it. It also holds as many rounds of .40 as the P01 does of 9mm and shoots like a 9mm.
Joker
I understand what your saying. Your comparing like sized guns with matching features to decide what to get. The only thing I'm trying to say is that if your going to compare a compact pistol to a compact pistol that's one thing but your comparing a compact pistol to a full sized pistol.
The CZ P01 is CZ's "compact" pistol (that's what they call it).
The PX4 is a full sized duty pistol (that's what they made it to be and call it).
To make a size comparison of a compact and full sized pistol for a CCW pistol is "apples and oranges".
If you want to compare the P01 to a Taurus PT-111 they are both at least in the same category of firearm. If you want to compare the P01 to the new Subcompact PX4 coming out this month......then that's a fair comparison also....they're both made for CCW. The PX4 subcompact is quite a bit smaller than the P01 and carries 13 rounds of 9mm.
The full sized PX4 was made and built around the .40, it is a bit big for CCW because that's not what it was made for (but I use it as my backup CCW) because with the right holster I can get away with it. It also holds as many rounds of .40 as the P01 does of 9mm and shoots like a 9mm.
Joker
I have a cz-75b and a beretta 92FS, so I have some minor basis for my otherwise worthless opinion.
let me ask YOU some questions which may help determine which gun to get:
1) Do you plan on having this gun as part of a set or series for a given purpose? that is, do you ever intend to use it with a pistol caliber carbine? If so the beretta has an advantage
2) Is the a collection, gun, a nightstand gun or a ccw gun? CCW may give cz an advantage
3) have you had a chance to rent or range fire these guns? in the end how YOU shoot with them should probably be the deciding factor.
Either way you have good options IMO.
let me ask YOU some questions which may help determine which gun to get:
1) Do you plan on having this gun as part of a set or series for a given purpose? that is, do you ever intend to use it with a pistol caliber carbine? If so the beretta has an advantage
2) Is the a collection, gun, a nightstand gun or a ccw gun? CCW may give cz an advantage
3) have you had a chance to rent or range fire these guns? in the end how YOU shoot with them should probably be the deciding factor.
Either way you have good options IMO.
PennsyPlinker
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I guess you still don't get it. He asked for recommendations. You must think that the only people qualified to answer are those who own/shoot both guns. I disagree. I explained what I like about my CZ. In other words, what features I like about it, and why I chose to keep it in the long run. I don't need to shoot a Beretta to know what I like about my CZ. I guess the little bit of humor I injected was lost on you as well.
Your own recommendation was:
So what you are saying here is that you have not shot the nine either. But you seem to think that shooting a model in one caliber gives you some sort of superiority over the rest of us when apparently you haven't shot it in the caliber that is under discussion? I didn't see anywhere where you qualified yourself by stating your own experience with a CZ. Do you in fact have any? I wrote before I didn't really care, but now I do. What are your bona fides to be telling the rest of us who is and who isn't qualified to comment in this thread?
The OP asked for recommendations. He did not ask which one was better than the other. He asked why would a person buy one over the other. I answered CZ because I was able to outfit it with a laser and a .22 conversion kit. It is simple and objective. He already knows he likes both guns. You wrote in with vague, subjective comments. Ergonomics. Really? For whose hand? Yours? Mine? Someone else's? Soft shooter? By what objective measure? How do you quantify those statements? Mine are easily quantifiable, regardless of who I am. Either the accessories I mentioned are available for the CZ, or they are not. But why should anyone accept your "highly esteemed" judgment? Who are you anyway? I don't know, and I suspect no one else here does either. So what makes your subjective points so superior over the rest of anyone else? :banghead:
Your own recommendation was:
So what you are saying here is that you have not shot the nine either. But you seem to think that shooting a model in one caliber gives you some sort of superiority over the rest of us when apparently you haven't shot it in the caliber that is under discussion? I didn't see anywhere where you qualified yourself by stating your own experience with a CZ. Do you in fact have any? I wrote before I didn't really care, but now I do. What are your bona fides to be telling the rest of us who is and who isn't qualified to comment in this thread?
The OP asked for recommendations. He did not ask which one was better than the other. He asked why would a person buy one over the other. I answered CZ because I was able to outfit it with a laser and a .22 conversion kit. It is simple and objective. He already knows he likes both guns. You wrote in with vague, subjective comments. Ergonomics. Really? For whose hand? Yours? Mine? Someone else's? Soft shooter? By what objective measure? How do you quantify those statements? Mine are easily quantifiable, regardless of who I am. Either the accessories I mentioned are available for the CZ, or they are not. But why should anyone accept your "highly esteemed" judgment? Who are you anyway? I don't know, and I suspect no one else here does either. So what makes your subjective points so superior over the rest of anyone else? :banghead:
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