RancidSumo
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I shot my friends 9mm Px4 about 10 min ago and it was great. Accurate and no problems what so ever. It is a really fun gun to shoot and it looks cool.
CZ P01 vs Beretta PX4
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Penn,
Take a deep breath partner.....
. I understand you both and I'm sure steve does too.
I think Jason get's irritated a bit (like I can) because people don't qualify there opinion (this is my experience with both and here is my opinion). Every one of us like our gun best (that's why we purchased it).
You have to admit though......we could have a poll on a CZ75 vs. HKP7 or CZ75 vs. Les Baer......and the poll would show CZ getting a ton of votes and no remarks from the owners because they've never shot the HK or the Les Baer. Nothing wrong with liking your product, it just should be qualified with your experience with that brand or lack thereof so it maintains it's perspective.
Take a deep breath partner.....
. I understand you both and I'm sure steve does too. I think Jason get's irritated a bit (like I can) because people don't qualify there opinion (this is my experience with both and here is my opinion). Every one of us like our gun best (that's why we purchased it).
You have to admit though......we could have a poll on a CZ75 vs. HKP7 or CZ75 vs. Les Baer......and the poll would show CZ getting a ton of votes and no remarks from the owners because they've never shot the HK or the Les Baer. Nothing wrong with liking your product, it just should be qualified with your experience with that brand or lack thereof so it maintains it's perspective.
I've shot the PX4 and the CZ. I do not own either, so I have no stakes in this little popularity contest. The PX4 was in .40, yes. It was also more of a pleasure to shoot. I highly doubt that the 9mm would be any different. If anything, it would be even tamer.
Apparently I've riled you up a bit, I apologize for that, but it gets exceedingly aggravating when people simply post "Oh yeah, you should buy Gun X" or "Yeah, Gun X is better, 'cause I own one", when they have little to no experience with the other brand, much less model, that it's being compared to. Alot of folks think this is some kind of popularity contest for their pet brand, but some people might actually go and plop down good money based on what they are assuming to be educated opinions from posters.
Again I apologize for picking on you out of the many, but hopefully you can see where I'm coming from.
Jason
mpmarty
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Things are warming up nicely here but nobody has mentioned reliability. Shooting a PX4 storm at the range last week it had serious failures to go completely into battery and was very hard to "rack" the slide to clear. Found that the rotating barrel was hanging up on crud from just less than twenty rounds of factory ammo. No, I don't own one and one session does not an in depth survey make, but my CZ pattern pistols would NEVER do this. If reliability is an issue, under adverse conditions (lint in the dresser drawer?) skip the PX4.
That's honestly the first serious malfunction I've ever heard of with the PX4. So far they've had a pretty spotless track record. I shot several hundred through the one I shot and it was perfect all the way through, but like you said, one pistol and a couple of range sessions isn't exactly a reliability test. You didn't say in your post whether it was a range rental or a friend's or whatever. Do you know if the gun was clean when you picked it up?
Jason
PennsyPlinker
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Okay, I'm calm now. Jason, I happen to agree with you completely, as well as ajoker31, when it comes to people just posting without any qualifying comments, or any real knowledge. In my professional life, I am fairly well known, and people write and call me all the time for my opinion on machinery - machinery that ranges in price from about $100 to well over $7000. It all does the same thing but with varying degrees of success. Not everyone needs a $7000 machine but no one needs the $100 one. It is a constant battle with the people who just blather on without any real experience. Anyway...
I try to qualify myself and be as objective as possible. It is a pet peeve of mine when people sound off without knowing what they are saying. I thought that I had been clear in my initial post that I was recommending the CZ because of the things that went with it. I actually put the
there to make fun of those people who do just what you (and I) do not like. I guess it was not clear, and when I got lumped in with those types, it hit one of my buttons. I tend to come on strong in my own defense, and I apologize for contributing to the acrimony level here. So let's shake and be friends. I appreciate your comments in your last post Jason.
I try to qualify myself and be as objective as possible. It is a pet peeve of mine when people sound off without knowing what they are saying. I thought that I had been clear in my initial post that I was recommending the CZ because of the things that went with it. I actually put the
there to make fun of those people who do just what you (and I) do not like. I guess it was not clear, and when I got lumped in with those types, it hit one of my buttons. I tend to come on strong in my own defense, and I apologize for contributing to the acrimony level here. So let's shake and be friends. I appreciate your comments in your last post Jason.hrgrisso
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Px4 Owner
I already qualified that I own one. I've got over 2500 rounds through it since I bought it. Never a failure to fire.
Feels good, thin enough to conceal. I've already shared that my issue is the F Model versus the G.
I've shot several friends who own the P0-1. I liked it, I think it's a quality piece. It's just has never been "enough" to convince me not to buy another brand/model.
I already qualified that I own one. I've got over 2500 rounds through it since I bought it. Never a failure to fire.
Feels good, thin enough to conceal. I've already shared that my issue is the F Model versus the G.
I've shot several friends who own the P0-1. I liked it, I think it's a quality piece. It's just has never been "enough" to convince me not to buy another brand/model.
PennsyPlinker
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Now this is getting a little extreme! I thought I was bad getting my dander up.
I think I know what you really mean, but I could not resist.
GTSteve03
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Ok, this is the kind of stuff I'm talkin' about! I like that I'm getting some more real-world experience here, let's just make sure we all remain calm, but it seems like the situation has defused itself enough.
My CZ Compact wasn't 100% reliable when I shot it with my preferred carry ammo, 9mm +P 124gr Gold Dots. The round would often fail to make it up the feed ramp and into the chamber, and this was one of the reasons I eventually got rid of it. So that's not a great mark for CZ but like I said earlier I'm willing to give them a 2nd chance also.
I am starting to consider grabbing the PX4 over the P01 at this point because of the price of the .40s on Gunbroker. I've never owned a .40 before, but I guess it can't be too bad, I've shot 9mm and .45 a good bit and liked them both, but maybe I can deal with the .40 in a PX4 if the recoil is pretty tame.
Thanks everyone for your comments again. This is all very helpful to me and even if we don't all agree on things at least we can be civil about it.
I like that I'm getting some more real-world experience here, let's just make sure we all remain calm, but it seems like the situation has defused itself enough.This does definitely warrant some attention. I would also like to know whether or not this was a range gun or what the cleanliness of the gun was before being shot. Also, was the ammo crappy range reloads or new factory stuff?
My CZ Compact wasn't 100% reliable when I shot it with my preferred carry ammo, 9mm +P 124gr Gold Dots. The round would often fail to make it up the feed ramp and into the chamber, and this was one of the reasons I eventually got rid of it. So that's not a great mark for CZ but like I said earlier I'm willing to give them a 2nd chance also.
I am starting to consider grabbing the PX4 over the P01 at this point because of the price of the .40s on Gunbroker. I've never owned a .40 before, but I guess it can't be too bad, I've shot 9mm and .45 a good bit and liked them both, but maybe I can deal with the .40 in a PX4 if the recoil is pretty tame.
Thanks everyone for your comments again. This is all very helpful to me and even if we don't all agree on things at least we can be civil about it.
PennsyPlinker
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I draw the line at singing Kumbya! 
Steve,
Whatever you think you want to go with.....let us know we might be able to tag team and find a good price. I saw a PX4 on my beloved Sigforum last week for $400 NIB (delivered). I wouldn't expect to see that kind of price again but will keep my eyes open just in case.
Joker
Whatever you think you want to go with.....let us know we might be able to tag team and find a good price. I saw a PX4 on my beloved Sigforum last week for $400 NIB (delivered). I wouldn't expect to see that kind of price again but will keep my eyes open just in case.
Joker
GTSteve03
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Here's the one I'm contemplating right now:
Discount Gunner on Gunbroker
$450 Buy It Now + $20 shipping + my local pawn shop does $10 transfers = $480 out the door for a new Type G PX4 with 3 mags, just the kind of setup I was wanting! Only thing is its in .40S&W, but man is it tempting.
Now I'm trying to decide between that and the other piece that's been calling to me, a stainless GP100 with 3" barrel at another shop... I need a .357 too, just not sure what to get first!
Lonestar49
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Px4 40cal Owner
Quote: Shooting a PX4 storm at the range last week it had serious failures to go completely into battery and was very hard to "rack" the slide to clear. Found that the rotating barrel was hanging up on crud from just less than twenty rounds of factory ammo.
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I gave my known reasons for why I thought the Px4 9mm or 40 were a good choices on page 1.
But, I too, was amazed to hear the above, as it is the first negative thing I have heard of any Px4, but it does not surprise me, in that, IF "it was a Range Gun Rental" and from what I've seen of them, they go out, get the **** shot out of them, come in, and they don't even run a bore snake thru them, don't even wipe them, just put them back in the display case.
Just so one knows, they come packed from the factory, and yes, without a proper cleaning of that travel/sit/pasted oil/grease, they can get powder mixed in there real quick, and it turns to tar-like crap. And keeping both the rotating barrel grove for the return spring housing, is worth taking a minute to check, and clean if necessary, but I have gone 800 rounds, and I know one Beretta Moderator, AR, who put his Px4 9mm thru a torture test of over 8000 rounds thru shooting contests, to see when, and if, it would jam, fail to fire, and it failed to fire once, his own reloads, but it never jammed. I think he just ran a bore snake, if that, but no tear-down cleaning, nothing. And he loves that gun from all his others, the most, as do I among all my other guns, cause it goes boom, every time, anytime.
And it was my "first hand-gun" 40cal, out of five I own, being 3 Sigs, 9mm, 380, 45cal and, a Colt Defender 45
And, I assume that the "factory ammo" was brand new ammo, not re-loaded range ammo?
Anyway, I have 3950 rounds out my Px4 40, not one failure to feed, nor fire, just 100%. And with the easiest cleaning, time wise, of both it and my Sigs, they all have never failed with about half the amount of shots thru them as well. With exceptions of both the Sig 380, feed jams, and the Colt, not alot, but every now and then.
I will add, that there will be more recoil with the 40cal and a choice of ammo from 165gr or 180gr to find your comfort zone with the gun. But, once you put in your time, right grip, you will find it an amazing shooter, both in reliability and accuracy.
Good luck,
LS
PS.. you can always come over the the Beretta Forum and do a read-up on the "many" Px4 owners, or, any Beretta, and they tell it, good or bad, but they help you with any problems, if you have any, or options, ammo, aftermarket stuff, lasers, sights, etc.
http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/
Quote: Shooting a PX4 storm at the range last week it had serious failures to go completely into battery and was very hard to "rack" the slide to clear. Found that the rotating barrel was hanging up on crud from just less than twenty rounds of factory ammo.
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I gave my known reasons for why I thought the Px4 9mm or 40 were a good choices on page 1.
But, I too, was amazed to hear the above, as it is the first negative thing I have heard of any Px4, but it does not surprise me, in that, IF "it was a Range Gun Rental" and from what I've seen of them, they go out, get the **** shot out of them, come in, and they don't even run a bore snake thru them, don't even wipe them, just put them back in the display case.
Just so one knows, they come packed from the factory, and yes, without a proper cleaning of that travel/sit/pasted oil/grease, they can get powder mixed in there real quick, and it turns to tar-like crap. And keeping both the rotating barrel grove for the return spring housing, is worth taking a minute to check, and clean if necessary, but I have gone 800 rounds, and I know one Beretta Moderator, AR, who put his Px4 9mm thru a torture test of over 8000 rounds thru shooting contests, to see when, and if, it would jam, fail to fire, and it failed to fire once, his own reloads, but it never jammed. I think he just ran a bore snake, if that, but no tear-down cleaning, nothing. And he loves that gun from all his others, the most, as do I among all my other guns, cause it goes boom, every time, anytime.
And it was my "first hand-gun" 40cal, out of five I own, being 3 Sigs, 9mm, 380, 45cal and, a Colt Defender 45
And, I assume that the "factory ammo" was brand new ammo, not re-loaded range ammo?
Anyway, I have 3950 rounds out my Px4 40, not one failure to feed, nor fire, just 100%. And with the easiest cleaning, time wise, of both it and my Sigs, they all have never failed with about half the amount of shots thru them as well. With exceptions of both the Sig 380, feed jams, and the Colt, not alot, but every now and then.
I will add, that there will be more recoil with the 40cal and a choice of ammo from 165gr or 180gr to find your comfort zone with the gun. But, once you put in your time, right grip, you will find it an amazing shooter, both in reliability and accuracy.
Good luck,
LS
PS.. you can always come over the the Beretta Forum and do a read-up on the "many" Px4 owners, or, any Beretta, and they tell it, good or bad, but they help you with any problems, if you have any, or options, ammo, aftermarket stuff, lasers, sights, etc.
http://www.berettaforum.net/vb/
GTSteve03, Great price on the .40 PX4 . Three mags, instead of two and a G decocker only model means it was originally meant for an LE org (nothing wrong with that). I wish I got that deal when I bought my 9mm Px4 locally (I only got two mags and have the decocker/safety F model (wish I had a G model instead, might have to get the G conversion kit for mine eventually) and I paid about $50 more).
+1 on Bud's Gun Shop (if you decide on 9mm and can't find a better deal), good prices and good people to deal with.
+1 on Bud's Gun Shop (if you decide on 9mm and can't find a better deal), good prices and good people to deal with.
GTSteve03
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Sorry, kind of OT, but what's with the price of 40S&W these days?
I was browsing for some online if I do decide to get the 40 PX4, and the stuff is as expensive as 45! The whole reason I was considering it was because I thought it was somewhere in between 9mm and 45 in both power and price, but apparently only in power.
I couldn't find anything cheaper than about $250/1000 online, where 9mm was about $150/1000. I don't know if I want to be spending that much more on ammo especially since I have a good bit of 9mm laying around. :banghead:
I was browsing for some online if I do decide to get the 40 PX4, and the stuff is as expensive as 45! The whole reason I was considering it was because I thought it was somewhere in between 9mm and 45 in both power and price, but apparently only in power.
I couldn't find anything cheaper than about $250/1000 online, where 9mm was about $150/1000. I don't know if I want to be spending that much more on ammo especially since I have a good bit of 9mm laying around. :banghead:
Lonestar49
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Did you pre-register the 40cal? If not, get a 9mm. But, that's about right, between the 9mm and the 40cal, but if you start saving your spent cartridges now, you can have enough to warrant a buy of a re-loader and cut that price in half, if not more, and use that new copper, many times over.
I'm at about 3 cases now, of spent cartridges, of 40cal, 9mm, & 45cal, that my next step in this evolution of gun-ownership, to start my next venue of reloading my own, and of course, learning how to do it, with the right re-loader, etc.
Another "investment" that will pay for itself, in short time, as I shoot around 400 rounds, per 2 guns, per week, will then save me more than 50%, is a good thing.
LS
Did you pre-register the 40cal? If not, get a 9mm. But, that's about right, between the 9mm and the 40cal, but if you start saving your spent cartridges now, you can have enough to warrant a buy of a re-loader and cut that price in half, if not more, and use that new copper, many times over.
I'm at about 3 cases now, of spent cartridges, of 40cal, 9mm, & 45cal, that my next step in this evolution of gun-ownership, to start my next venue of reloading my own, and of course, learning how to do it, with the right re-loader, etc.
Another "investment" that will pay for itself, in short time, as I shoot around 400 rounds, per 2 guns, per week, will then save me more than 50%, is a good thing.
LS
9mm is definately the cheapest self defense caliber to buy. I can get 9mm practice ammo for $7.86 a box in Winchester (cheaper but I don't like monarch). Although I did just buy 6 boxes of .40 for $7.57 a box at Walmart (Blazer brass). I would have bought more but I just ordered some.
Georgia Arms sells good self defense ammo (Gold Dots) at a very reasonable price @ $14 for 9mm (box of 50) and $18 for .40.
Joker
Georgia Arms sells good self defense ammo (Gold Dots) at a very reasonable price @ $14 for 9mm (box of 50) and $18 for .40.
Joker
Around here .40 S&W is cheaper than .45 ACP, but more expensive than 9mm.
I dunno what the deal is over there in Georgia, Steve.
Jason
I dunno what the deal is over there in Georgia, Steve.
I have used Georgia Arms in .45 ACP, but not the other calibers. Good prices and good ammo, albeit a little sooty, but that's no big deal. The 9mm and .40 S&W might be cleaner. I'd say I have no complaints about GA.
Jason
It's P01 for me
Px4 9mm was the first gun form me. After I put about 1000 rounds trough it I got P01 9mm. Beretta certainly has lighter recoil, smoother action and all that, but just didn't do it for me. As a result - inconsistent grouping with Px4, much better performance with p01. So, I traded in my Px4 for Sig P226 and don't regret it. Also, discovered that I do not like plastic guns. My wife summed it up for me: "it looks just like a toy!" I prefer my weapon look liking like one. but that is of course a personal taste.
Px4 is a nice gun, but I vote P01, I guess
Px4 9mm was the first gun form me. After I put about 1000 rounds trough it I got P01 9mm. Beretta certainly has lighter recoil, smoother action and all that, but just didn't do it for me. As a result - inconsistent grouping with Px4, much better performance with p01. So, I traded in my Px4 for Sig P226 and don't regret it. Also, discovered that I do not like plastic guns. My wife summed it up for me: "it looks just like a toy!" I prefer my weapon look liking like one. but that is of course a personal taste.
Px4 is a nice gun, but I vote P01, I guess
ecureed
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Apples and Oranges?
I think you are the one comparing apples and oranges:
P01 vs. PT111 is not a good comparison in relation to size.
The P01 is more closely related to the PX4, G19, M&P9 or XD9 Service.
The PT111 would be closer in size to a RAMI, XD Sub-Comp, G26, or the new Storm Sub-compact.
You said the PX4 is a full size? I think Beretta would classify the 92fs as a full size and the PX4 as a service/compact just as CZ would classify the SP-01 full size and the P01 as compact/service.
I think the OP is right in line in comparing these two.
I think you are the one comparing apples and oranges:
P01 vs. PT111 is not a good comparison in relation to size.
The P01 is more closely related to the PX4, G19, M&P9 or XD9 Service.
The PT111 would be closer in size to a RAMI, XD Sub-Comp, G26, or the new Storm Sub-compact.
You said the PX4 is a full size? I think Beretta would classify the 92fs as a full size and the PX4 as a service/compact just as CZ would classify the SP-01 full size and the P01 as compact/service.
I think the OP is right in line in comparing these two.
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