CZ-pattern guns- Reliability

[briang2ad]

I broke seven or so trigger springs in CZ's - get that - I cannot even recall the number. BUT... I'll tell you that they are reliable. Yes, I got a string of bad trigger springs, yet CZ's are good guns, and with some care, keep on chugging. I own several and am happy with them. They are PERFECTLY setup for high thumb-holds, accurate, and reliable.

 

[briang2ad]

msiley:

Gee - but if you read the posted article, you'll be really convinced to sell all of your CZs and never touch them again...

 

[browningguy]

I only own one CZ gun, a 75 B Anniversary edition that is my barbeque gun. It doesn't get shot much but has been ok. I do have two Witnesses that have been shot a lot, an old 9mm polymer frame, and a newer model Witness Elite Match in .40. The two Witnesses have been shot in IDPA quite a bit when I used to shoot that discipline and neither one has ever had a failure.

 

[Dobe]

The guns Todd seems to like are loose fitting and not as accurate as a CZ is. Maybe they can be buried in sand and dropped from a plane,
and not cleaned as they should be but I'd rather just have a untrashed gun that is inherently more accurate when it's cleaned properly. I only have four

One of the guns he likes is an HK P30, which is every bit as accurate as a CZ. It is also not a loose fitting handgun.

 

[atblis]

atblis,
What is the basis of your statement? Do you have statistical evidence?

It's based on being a fan of CZ pistol for over a decade and owning them, and noting the problems they've had. Sometimes the machining is pretty darn good. Other times it's not all that great. Sometimes they are dead nuts reliable, sometimes they have issue (usually ejection issues). The "best" CZ I've ever had was a gloss blue 75B in 40 S&W. At one point I posted this up on a message board, and others with the same pistol agreed.

One interesting thing I ever did was while in a very large gun shop, they had 7 or 8 used CZs spanning a couple decades (late 80s up to 2000s). There were definitive differences between the pistols. Some were clearly made better than others. The clerk humored me, and let me field strip them and do side by side comparisons.

 

[CZF]

CZs have a well documented history of being stone-cold reliable in the
over 30 years since the 75 was introduced.

Tod G. reported on on a class with 4 Czish pistols, with modified 10 round Tanfoglio mags. Not even real Cz mags for pete's sake!

No wonder the results were crap.

The 75 Legend was forged on the battlefields of Africa and
other hot spots around the world, long before the Glock or
Xd. The CZ was THE gun to have on your side during my time
spent in the Balkans War.



In any event, for all the people who want to read and believe his
Gospel on CZs.

They can always sell them to devot, er dedicated CZ fans.

Over 15,000 members in the past 10 years, show more than a passing interest in these Pinto Guns.

The reality is. NOBODY in the CZ world gives any credibility to
Todd G. and his testing.

Despite the price of CZs selling these days for what SIGs cost
4-5 year ago, they are more popular (and trusted ) than ever!

So, sell your CZs and let us faithful have them please.
We will give them good homes and keep them from Pinto tests.

 

[Dobe]

I took a class from Todd in Smithville, NC late last year. There was a shooter next to me, who shot a CZ, and he never had a problem. Don't worry about what someone post on the internet, unless you begin to see patterns.

 

[metalman8600]

The only reliability issue you have with CZs is if you throw down on a beach and sand gets in the back and blocks the movement of the firing pin block lifter, which is sort of exposed.

 

[Cearbhall]

Thank you all very much for this thead. It just cost me 600 dollars, as it prompted me to go down to the gun store and buy a new 75 B SA. That 97 B in .45 is looking pretty good, too.

 

[tekarra]

atblis,
Thank you for your comments, and I respect your opinion. In fact I agree with your statement about observing differences among various pistols, some being made better than others. In my way of thinking, this is in regards to the machining and fitting of the pistols.

I too, am a long time cZ owner having purchased my first in the early 1980s and have bought and sold about a dozen in the intervening period. My experience is the cZ is a solid and reliable pistol as the only problems I have encountered have been with some types of ammunition and some bargain magazines. As pistols are like any manufactured item, there will be good and bad; maybe I have been luckier than others.

 

[walksbyhimself]

So... what I'm taking away from all of this is that I need to buy one and shoot the crap out of it, you know, for science. Well, I was going to do that anyway, thanks guys!

 

[1SOW]

Cearbhall: That 75B 'SA' is a best-kept-secret. The gun has a pretty good trigger OOB and is a shooter. With minor trigger work it can have a VERY good trigger.

 

[easyg]

The same $350 CZs that we bought years ago, but have been caught up
with inflation, which means that the $500 SIG from years ago
made in Germany.

Has now been reduced to a $800 gun that's mostly made here.

I also hate the idea that made in Syrmna Glocks cost as much or more
than Austrian made guns.

At least you are getting Old World craftsmanship from the Czech Rep made CZUB brand.

They would probably lose their appeal if made in the States. For me at least.

Just to clear up a little misinformation here....

The Glocks sold in the USA are made in Austria.
They are only imported and sold from Smyrna.

 

[briang2ad]

They have a reputation for reliability and durability problems. And after four straight days of watching them choke, I’d say it’s a well deserved reputation.

from the blog post - I have not seen an article.

The first statement is an unsupported claim. It has also been proven false by MANY competition shooters, and this can be substantiated in a few CZ forums, etc. There are folks with 100,000 rounds with no rebuilds, etc. The evidence is anecdotal but there is a TON of it. Not four weapons.

The second statement is an anecdotal snippet, and not really a confirmation of the claim, just an observation from one man - if true.

This is not even a debate, but an exposure of on guy's rant. He MAY be a very good instructor. But this does not make one an expert in making deductions, or in gun design and function.