CZ quality control going down hill?

[armoredman]

Which carbine? 527? What was wrong with the 75B, that model I have never heard anything bad about. The Kadet Kit I personally used did need some minor fitting, but that was purchased in the late 90s, I had been told they were fitted for almost all CZ pistols, but haven't had one in a while.

 

[stevemis]

Well, I got the RAMI back today. Sent in July 15th, returned August 26.

To recap, my two complaints were the pistol shoots left and low and the slide was not centered in the frame, and there was damage to both slide and frame from this not being fit properly.

I told Scott if they were changing sights around, I'd happily pay for a night sight upgrade, which we did.

I got the package back today and immediately noticed the smell of spray paint. Not good.

Someone spray painted the inside of the frame, presumably to cover up the scuff marks in the aluminum caused by the slide. The portion of the slide which was scraping down the frame also got a touch of this magical treatment. See pictures.

The slide still doesn't sit squarely in the frame. See pictures. One was taken with my digital camera and the other by sitting the pistol muzzle-down in my scanner. Note the barrel and recoil assembly were removed so the frame and slide could sit evenly.

The rear sight got pushed all the way to the right.

Is it just me, or did I get back a Franken Pistol? Note none of these issues were caused by me -- everything points to sloppy manufacturing and quality control, and now sloppy repair. I think the slide to frame fit, or lack thereof, is the cause of the POA/POI issue, and this repair did nothing to fix the problem, only cover it up (both with paint and by adjusting the sights to compensate).

Thoughts?

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Very sorry to hear of this, and their "coverup repair". I sure hope they fixed this soon, or there will be created a series of "eras" for CZs, like good DWs and bad DWs. This sucks, and will certainly give me pause the next time I contemplate purchase - thank you for the information.

 

[armoredman]

That would be unacceptable to me. First thing is call 1-800-955-4486, speak to Mike Eagleshield, chief gunsmith, find out what happened. If you don't get satisifaction, move your way up all the way to Alice if you have to. I would ask for a replacement RAMI at this point. I have never seen anything like this out of the CZ shop.

 

[stevemis]

I sent an email to CJ right after posting the pictures here. He was helpful last year when I had some issues with an SP01 that couldn't get corrected. I'll update the thread if I hear back.

 

[customizedcreationz]

Its sad when I see posts like this ( and on Sig Forum , which I can vouch CS isnt that good any more, more hit or miss ).

What a bummer I picked up my first CZ 75 SA out of a mishap and now I have to read about CZ bad or potentially bad CS.......

 

[JDGray]

Wow...Sorry for your bad luck!

CZ raises their prices way up, and the quality goes down....Hmmmm

 

[armoredman]

I can say one bad thing does not equal all bad things. I have had nothing but great service from CZ-USA. I also have never had to return any of the 9 CZ pistols we own/have owned. I can only hope this one turns out well for the OP.

 

[GunTech]

I have 5 CZ-75s and all are great shooters. I've had to adjust the rear sight on every one, but I expect to sight in any new pistol.

My single complaint is that the Stainless guns have blued magazines.

Sorry to hear you have problems.

 

[stevemis]

My email to CJ went unreplied, although Thursday morning I got the following from Matt Hunter:

I am sorry the repair went out that way! What is the serial number of the P-07 and I will get a return label out for both the P-07 and Rami and we will make it right.

I was under the impression CZ took 6 weeks the first-go-round to make it right. I replied Thursday morning and told Matt that I expected a replacement RAMI, and that I would hold off shipping both pistols until I was assured replacements were available. It's now Friday morning and I have not received a reply.

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

I've had two brand new CZ pistols that gave me fits. I had a 2075 Rami that was so finicky that it frequently supplied me with countless frustrations as it failed to feed. I really liked it at first, (hence my screen name) and it was supposed to be my carry sidearm. However, I found that my FEG PA-63 was more reliable in operation than my Rami. I soon decided to part with the Rami.

My CZ 75BD had trigger/hammer issues. Sometimes the trigger and hammer wouldn't talk to each other. It too went bye-bye.

Lastly, I just purchased a CZ P-07 Duty. I've put 100 rounds through it so far, using the cheap stuff on purpose. So far it has functioned perfectly, it is accurate, and has left me smiling. It looks really good, both inside and out. As long as it continues to perform like it already has, I am going to be very happy and I will look forward to another CZ purchase.

 

[DougDubya]

Ahem. "My band is too popular now. I don't like their new stuff as much as their older work."

Carry on.

 

[Luis Leon]

In a word no. While lemons are possible all 6 of my CZs give nothing but good service. CZ75b, BD, P01, kadet kit, CZ527 carbine and CZ452 American. CZs rule!

best regards,

Luis Leon

P.S. I guess now that they are becoming really well known, some don't like them as much as they used to.

 

[stevemis]

The RAMI and P07 both went back in the same box on September 1st. I was assured by CZ that they had replacements for both pistols on hand. If that is the case, it would seem both pistols are gathering dust in a corner somewhere waiting for someone to look at them.

For those following along at home, this is the second send-in for the RAMI. Thus far it's been at CZ for over 8 weeks.

 

[1911 Operator]

i've had 2 cz's for years. my cz75 made in 1982 has tens of thousands of rounds through it with no probs whatsoever.

my 40cal cz75 is about 6 years old with no probs either.

don't know about the new models, but the quality was great with the old ones.

 

[RH45]

Hmm, I sent my shotgun to CZ the first week of June and they sent me a card saying it would be 8 weeks, but, when I emailed them, they said they hadn't started it yet.

Grouse season starts this weekend.

 

[stevemis]

I got an email from Fedex late yesterday informing me that a 3 pound package (one pistol) left CZ-USA destined for me. It will be here on 9/11. This afternoon I got another email from Fedex. There's a second package shipping today, arriving here on Monday.

One pistol should be the RAMI, the other should be the P07.

 

[Birdmang]

On any nickel plated semi auto handgun...


Can someone tell me if it is normal for the nickel finish to come off of the slide contact area in a number of shots, 8 exactly?


We're talking around and up to 5mm chips of finish.

 

[m2steven]

I have a couple month old CZ75b and it's superb, great, well finished inside and out.

 

[CZF]

No problems with the new P-01.

I do hope that CZ-USA sets things right with you.

Hate to lose a CZ fan over one gun experience.
In your case it is two.

KEV

 

[stevemis]

Well, the P07 showed up today. This one is more messed up than the last. Below is my note to CZ, sent about noon their time. I have yet to receive a reply. I've given up on the platform entirely, and am about to give up on the company. This is incredibly frustrating. If I ran my business like this, I'd be living in a cardboard box under a bridge.

--

Matt and CJ,

I just received the replacement P07 Duty and it, like my last one, does not function properly. This replacement has two different problems. The slide does not reliably return to battery and the decock lever often does not return to a fully disengaged position. Regarding the failure to return to battery, if anything whatsoever impedes the forward momentum of the slide (like chambering a round?), the slide gets stuck approximately 1/4" to 3/8" out of battery. If the slide happens to land in the 1/4" range, the hammer will drop if the trigger is squeezed. If I had to guess, I'd say the barrel shroud is hanging up in the slide. Also note the barrel is incredibly difficult to remove from the slide.

This is now my second P07. These manufacturing/QA/repair issues as well as the RAMI fiasco (which will hopefully be resolved next week) really makes me wonder why I continue to purchase your products. As you probably know, I have at least a dozen CZ pistols and several rifles. I have been a vocal advocate of CZ over the years on both the gun forums and on the range, but these problems are really a cause for concern. I'm sure you can understand why I have zero confidence in the P07 platform and am rapidly losing confidence in CZ and CZ-USA.

Please send a FedEx label, as I wish to return this pistol. Ultimately, I'd like a refund.. If that is not possible, I'd like to discuss a different product.

Steve

 

[wditto]

reckon they would send you a Beretta ?

 

[RH45]

I sure hope they do a better job on the warranty repair of my shotgun, that I'm not going to be able to use this weekend because they still have it. I guess I'd rather wait, and HOPEFULLY have it done right than have them send me a POS.

It kind of sounds like you are having the same warranty repair issues with CZ as I had with Para, except that Para sent a bill, before they would return my pistol.

 

[Pilot]

I wouldn't give up ont he platform as you've had excellent experience with several CZ products as you say. However, I may give up on the P-07 at this point and maybe even the RAMI if I were you. I like their lightweight alloy offerings like the more traditional PCR and P-01 for carry and the other full size guns for range work. Polymer CZ's? Not that convinced yet, but I'm not a polymer fan in general.

 

[llanite]

Very sorry to hear about your experience. I've bought a P-06 and a 75b from them in the last 9 months and been very, very pleased with the performance of both. I think that like some others here, the observation that CZ in general has a lot of experience with full-sized steel weapons is not too far off the mark. Please update us when the RAMI returns - it's a platform I'm looking at for concealed carry.