CZ SP-01 Range Report and Questions
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BevrFevr
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thousands of rounds
I have thousands of rounds through my cz which I have owned for 10 years. I has had problems all along. Been a shooter for 26 years at least and owned scores of firearms. I am no babe in the woods. I understand customizing guns is great fun and sometimes neccessary.
I love my cz's ergonomics, pointablity, accuracy, safety, looks, etc. Where it reliable it would be as nearly perfect as anything a man has made. But alas, myself and others on this thread have had problems with cz's. What is wrong with talking about it?
Why do I suddenly lack experience, Or have too high a standard of reliablity when I share my experience with someone having exactly the same problems I have experienced. Especially noting the experience with customer service was important. I checked the mail again today and still no parts.
I will take the offered advice and get yet another Wolffe spring for this gun.
I'll tell you this though, I won't be telling any newbie about the reliability of CZ. I will tell them however, that they can make great fixer uppers. Hell, If I wanted something I had to work on I would get a 1911.
I have thousands of rounds through my cz which I have owned for 10 years. I has had problems all along. Been a shooter for 26 years at least and owned scores of firearms. I am no babe in the woods. I understand customizing guns is great fun and sometimes neccessary.
I love my cz's ergonomics, pointablity, accuracy, safety, looks, etc. Where it reliable it would be as nearly perfect as anything a man has made. But alas, myself and others on this thread have had problems with cz's. What is wrong with talking about it?
Why do I suddenly lack experience, Or have too high a standard of reliablity when I share my experience with someone having exactly the same problems I have experienced. Especially noting the experience with customer service was important. I checked the mail again today and still no parts.
I will take the offered advice and get yet another Wolffe spring for this gun.
I'll tell you this though, I won't be telling any newbie about the reliability of CZ. I will tell them however, that they can make great fixer uppers. Hell, If I wanted something I had to work on I would get a 1911.
nonquixote
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Again I'm sorry for your experience with your pistol. I understand how frustrating that must be for you. I'm guessing you possibly got a lemon and it might just be time to part ways. The only caution I'd offer though is that one pistol is not a very large statistical sample, I wish I could have you shoot mine sometime, so you could sample the better side of CZ. Also, we should get back to the original purpose of this thread, but I'm curious for details of your malfunctions and what's been done to address them. PM me if you care to discuss it.
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mbott
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I just secured a CZ SP-01 Tactical and have now put just over 400 rounds through it without one failure. Most of what I've fired has been my handloads which consist of a lot of WWB brass. Plus, I put 1 box of 100 rounds of factory WWB through it on the first day. Again, not one hiccup at all.
Yes, the trigger is a bit rough, but it's improving the more it's fired.
As far as accuracy, this gun is spot-on. Today I brought along my 9mm CZ 75B to compare and the SP-01 is much easier to be accurate with. The SP-01 is just much easier to get a confortable grip with.
This gun will cause me to start reloading 9mm again just so I can shoot it more.
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Mike
Yes, the trigger is a bit rough, but it's improving the more it's fired.
As far as accuracy, this gun is spot-on. Today I brought along my 9mm CZ 75B to compare and the SP-01 is much easier to be accurate with. The SP-01 is just much easier to get a confortable grip with.
This gun will cause me to start reloading 9mm again just so I can shoot it more.
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Mike
BevrFevr
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The malfs I have had lately are just like those pictured previously. In the beggining it was ftf's, Mostly cured by a stronger wolffe recoil spring.
Ash
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I have three 75's, an 85 compact, and a 40P, plus a Witness fullsize .45. No malfunctions on any of them.
Must be lucky.
Ash
Must be lucky.
Ash
Ivy Mike
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so bevrfevr, because you had to replace a spring in a machine to get it to function properly, it suddenly makes them unreliable?
I've got a few thousand rounds through my 75B (9mm) with no problems what so ever.
I'll continue to tell people that CZ makes some of the best firearms around because they are. They make guns that are comparable in every way to SIG and HK (notice I didn't mention a lesser maker like SA or Glock.) for something like half the price. If they release a batch with a few weak springs, so be it. My car came with really crappy tires when I bought it. I replaced them when it became an issue...I improved the function ofa machine by replacing a part.
Simple as that.
I've got a few thousand rounds through my 75B (9mm) with no problems what so ever.
I'll continue to tell people that CZ makes some of the best firearms around because they are. They make guns that are comparable in every way to SIG and HK (notice I didn't mention a lesser maker like SA or Glock.) for something like half the price. If they release a batch with a few weak springs, so be it. My car came with really crappy tires when I bought it. I replaced them when it became an issue...I improved the function ofa machine by replacing a part.
Simple as that.
BevrFevr
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no...
The gun is unreliable becuase it malfunctions. It has not been proven that it can be reliable. I do not have my new parts to replace yet. I definitely cannot recommend cz customer service at this point. And at this point, I replaced one spring the recoil spring, I now need to replace the extractor spring. They are supposedly sending me a new extractor as well. No longer holding the breath.
And hey this is not just me with these problems seems that quite a few are aware. So aware that it is considered matter of fact by those most knowledgable eg moderators at the cz forum.
Man the cz guys used to be the cool guys. Now you all are as bad as the glock guys.
You go ahead and make your recomendations and I'll make mine. I'm not sure how many newbies will like the truth though, "That'll probably be a great gun once you change the springs out".
The gun is unreliable becuase it malfunctions. It has not been proven that it can be reliable. I do not have my new parts to replace yet. I definitely cannot recommend cz customer service at this point. And at this point, I replaced one spring the recoil spring, I now need to replace the extractor spring. They are supposedly sending me a new extractor as well. No longer holding the breath.
And hey this is not just me with these problems seems that quite a few are aware. So aware that it is considered matter of fact by those most knowledgable eg moderators at the cz forum.
Man the cz guys used to be the cool guys. Now you all are as bad as the glock guys.
You go ahead and make your recomendations and I'll make mine. I'm not sure how many newbies will like the truth though, "That'll probably be a great gun once you change the springs out".
PX15
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daysleeprx:
In my experience the wwwb 9mm ammo, while cheap, is not consistent from batch to batch (lot to lot, whatever).
I have several 9mm pistols and with the exception of my Sig P239 & surplus P1 Walther they at one time or another have balked at wwwb ammo.
My buddy told me he has had the same experience with wwwb, so now before I get down on my pistol, I change ammo and see what happens.
I'm sure WW buys in bulk from the cheapest source and since the ammo is manufactured in different places it just doesn't seem to be consistent in quality.
I use wwwb for plinking, but I would never consider it for cc..
(I like CorBon's for that).
Best Wishes,
JP
In my experience the wwwb 9mm ammo, while cheap, is not consistent from batch to batch (lot to lot, whatever).
I have several 9mm pistols and with the exception of my Sig P239 & surplus P1 Walther they at one time or another have balked at wwwb ammo.
My buddy told me he has had the same experience with wwwb, so now before I get down on my pistol, I change ammo and see what happens.
I'm sure WW buys in bulk from the cheapest source and since the ammo is manufactured in different places it just doesn't seem to be consistent in quality.
I use wwwb for plinking, but I would never consider it for cc..
(I like CorBon's for that).
Best Wishes,
JP
Walt Sherrill
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My recent response still seems valid: CZs aren't perfect, but they are very, very good.
And the problem with springs has been a relatively recent one. (Probably a bad supply of extractor springs.) One member on the CZ Forum has had bad luck with two trigger springs, too.
Let me get this straight: you've had the gun for 10 years, and your reliability problems have been there all along, and they still aren't resolved? And all you've done is change the recoil spring? (That's all you've mentioned.) Most people would have had a gunsmith look at it, by now, sent it back to the factory, or have given up in disgust -- rather than keep it around for a decade..
And, unless I had spent a lot of time and effort working with the gun maker or a gunsmith, and had a gun that I've been shooting for 10 years, that was still unreliable, I'd say "my bad..."
Sell the damned thing and get a gun that is up to your standards.
I find it hard to believe that everyone here is being dishonest about their experiences with their CZs or that we have any reason to think your experience will be typical. This sort of forum tends to make problems stand out.
nonquixote
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LOL Bevr, I hope not that bad yet, but I do see a few posts seemingly implying that there must be something wrong with you because you got a pistol that you're not happy with. I readily concede that as much as I enjoy my CZs, and believe the vast majority of them function reliably from the start, they still do often have some recurring flaws out of the box, and they're not for everyone for the reasons that I mentioned earlier.
I do hope you get yours to where you feel you can rely on it.
If you haven't tried yet, I'd try calling CZ-USA at 1 800 955-4486 rather than emailing them about the extractor and spring. You're likely to get better service. If you've already tried that then it's just CZ's fault that you haven't got your parts yet. I'd call again though to check up and remind them.
BevrFevr
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Walt,
I never cast doubt on anybodys experience here. You yourself chimed in rather quickly to the original post about cz's having a problem with weak springs admiting you even you have had this problem. For the record I also changed out the factory mag spring to +5% wolff mag springs. I found that mailing to the factory and then paying for the repairs out of my own pocket seemed a bit too much and contiued to spend my time and money on other guns (reliable guns all). It is not "my bad" that I bought crap from cz and they are a bit weak on the support side.
Nonquixote,
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Your observations are astute and reasoned. I am hoping to get this problem resolved as well. Make no doubt It's not like I'm sitting around defenseless or anything because I can't trust my cz. Email contact is what I have done in the past. I will try a call.
I never cast doubt on anybodys experience here. You yourself chimed in rather quickly to the original post about cz's having a problem with weak springs admiting you even you have had this problem. For the record I also changed out the factory mag spring to +5% wolff mag springs. I found that mailing to the factory and then paying for the repairs out of my own pocket seemed a bit too much and contiued to spend my time and money on other guns (reliable guns all). It is not "my bad" that I bought crap from cz and they are a bit weak on the support side.
Nonquixote,
You are a gentleman and a scholar. Your observations are astute and reasoned. I am hoping to get this problem resolved as well. Make no doubt It's not like I'm sitting around defenseless or anything because I can't trust my cz. Email contact is what I have done in the past. I will try a call.
Walt Sherrill
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I just reread what I wrote earlier, and didn't like it, so this is a revision.
Let me say it what I said previously in a different way: I will agree that springs can be a problem with some CZs -- I was the one who brought it up. But only extractor springs (and a trigger spring, now and then) only only recently, at that. Fact is, cleaning the extractor cavity in the slide may be a very effective solution -- but most don't know about that. If you shoot a lot of dirty ammo, gunk can build up in there and that will keep the extractor from closing as tightly as it should.
You've had the gun for 10 years, and from what you've written it would appear that all you've done to fix the extraction problem was change out the recoil spring. (If you did more, you didn't mention it.) It obviously was NOT a big concern -- since you say you're just now waiting for parts, as though they were recently ordered.
I'm not surprised that the recoil spring didn't help the problem much, as recoil spring aren't generally what you'd check or replace if you're having extraction problems. I doubt that CZ-USA recommended a recoil spring for the extraction problem, either.
And the other part you mentioned having replaced, an extra-strength mag spring, wouldn't help either -- but I understand that you didn't say that was why you swapped out that particular type of spring.) If you called and CZ and that's what they said do, I'd say you had a complaint -- but if you didn't call, and have just put up with the problem, self-diagnosing and treating the problem yourself, the fault is really partly yours, too.
We can agree that CZ was at fault for not delivering a fully functional gun. It happens, It happens with more expensive guns, too. (Lots of Kimbers seem to have some early teething problems, as do some SA.)
But complaining about CZ customer services seems inappropriate, as it doesn't look as though you even talked with CZ-USA until just recently. I'm not even sure CZ-USA was even in business 10 years ago. From what you've written, it seems like you've spent a lot of time experiencing the problem and spent very little time trying to to get is resolved.
Call them again about the missing parts. Sometimes people make mistakes. Especially if they're busy.
Let me say it what I said previously in a different way: I will agree that springs can be a problem with some CZs -- I was the one who brought it up. But only extractor springs (and a trigger spring, now and then) only only recently, at that. Fact is, cleaning the extractor cavity in the slide may be a very effective solution -- but most don't know about that. If you shoot a lot of dirty ammo, gunk can build up in there and that will keep the extractor from closing as tightly as it should.
You've had the gun for 10 years, and from what you've written it would appear that all you've done to fix the extraction problem was change out the recoil spring. (If you did more, you didn't mention it.) It obviously was NOT a big concern -- since you say you're just now waiting for parts, as though they were recently ordered.
I'm not surprised that the recoil spring didn't help the problem much, as recoil spring aren't generally what you'd check or replace if you're having extraction problems. I doubt that CZ-USA recommended a recoil spring for the extraction problem, either.
And the other part you mentioned having replaced, an extra-strength mag spring, wouldn't help either -- but I understand that you didn't say that was why you swapped out that particular type of spring.) If you called and CZ and that's what they said do, I'd say you had a complaint -- but if you didn't call, and have just put up with the problem, self-diagnosing and treating the problem yourself, the fault is really partly yours, too.
We can agree that CZ was at fault for not delivering a fully functional gun. It happens, It happens with more expensive guns, too. (Lots of Kimbers seem to have some early teething problems, as do some SA.)
But complaining about CZ customer services seems inappropriate, as it doesn't look as though you even talked with CZ-USA until just recently. I'm not even sure CZ-USA was even in business 10 years ago. From what you've written, it seems like you've spent a lot of time experiencing the problem and spent very little time trying to to get is resolved.
Call them again about the missing parts. Sometimes people make mistakes. Especially if they're busy.
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armoredman
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I guess I have been extremely lucky with my pistols, customer service, etc. I have 0 complaints about CZ, CZ-USA, or anything related to them. I don't think I am as bad a G-rock fanatic....I will eventually get a Smith Model 10, Webley .455, and some other handguns, but right now they are all CZ - mag/ammo interchangability is a good thing.
BevrFevr
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The mag springs were to help fix the early failures to feed and, combined with the heavier recoil spring, mostly did. Early on I did not realize that it had extraction problems as well. It was only after fixing the failures to feed that the failures to extract later showed up.
cz also has had under powered recoil springs. Do a search at tfl.
All I can say Walt is that I don't feel like typing my entire freaking history with cz here so that you will feel I have done my part not to damage your brand loyalty.
It was indeed Mike Eagleshield that was supposed to send me the spring and extractor.
Your quote here shows me a few things. "I'm not surprised that the recoil spring didn't help the problem much, as recoil spring aren't generally the first thing you'd check or replace if you're having extraction problems on most guns. I doubt that CZ-USA recommended a recoil spring for the extraction problem. And the other part you mentioned, an extra-strength mag spring, wouldn't help either (although you didn't say that was why you swapped out that spring.) If you called and that's what they said do, you'd have a complaint -- but if you didn't call, and have just lived with the problem that whole time, the fault is partly yours, too."
One you have not read virtually anything I have typed in the thread. Two you indeed know guns. You are correct none of those things would help extraction. Why would you think anyone would do those things to remedy it.
The fault I accept for my gun is that I was indenial and assumed that the problems would go away with more break in. Or that it just needed a good cleaning. Or that it just liked different ammo. Or that maybe I was using the wrong lube. Or that maybe I should try grease instead of oil. Or maybe I used too much lube or not enough.
I tried all kinds of things that I can do with out sending the gun in to get it to work better. No I'm not an ffl. There are not that many freindly ffl's in my area with which to work. In my town it comes down mostly to pawn shop owner and they have no interest in sending anybodies stuff in for repair work.
I'm sorry that my disapproval of this situation seems to upset you so but I feel I am entitled to my beliefs which are based on my experience.
I did just try to call them only to find out their customer service is only open 30 hrs a week. The problem here is that I have a job that coincides with thier hours. My coworkers and boss would not like to hear me calling CZ customer service during working hours. Maybe I'll have to use some vacation time to resolve this issue. THAT will make me really happy with CZ!
cz also has had under powered recoil springs. Do a search at tfl.
All I can say Walt is that I don't feel like typing my entire freaking history with cz here so that you will feel I have done my part not to damage your brand loyalty.
It was indeed Mike Eagleshield that was supposed to send me the spring and extractor.
Your quote here shows me a few things. "I'm not surprised that the recoil spring didn't help the problem much, as recoil spring aren't generally the first thing you'd check or replace if you're having extraction problems on most guns. I doubt that CZ-USA recommended a recoil spring for the extraction problem. And the other part you mentioned, an extra-strength mag spring, wouldn't help either (although you didn't say that was why you swapped out that spring.) If you called and that's what they said do, you'd have a complaint -- but if you didn't call, and have just lived with the problem that whole time, the fault is partly yours, too."
One you have not read virtually anything I have typed in the thread. Two you indeed know guns. You are correct none of those things would help extraction. Why would you think anyone would do those things to remedy it.
The fault I accept for my gun is that I was indenial and assumed that the problems would go away with more break in. Or that it just needed a good cleaning. Or that it just liked different ammo. Or that maybe I was using the wrong lube. Or that maybe I should try grease instead of oil. Or maybe I used too much lube or not enough.
I tried all kinds of things that I can do with out sending the gun in to get it to work better. No I'm not an ffl. There are not that many freindly ffl's in my area with which to work. In my town it comes down mostly to pawn shop owner and they have no interest in sending anybodies stuff in for repair work.
I'm sorry that my disapproval of this situation seems to upset you so but I feel I am entitled to my beliefs which are based on my experience.
I did just try to call them only to find out their customer service is only open 30 hrs a week. The problem here is that I have a job that coincides with thier hours. My coworkers and boss would not like to hear me calling CZ customer service during working hours. Maybe I'll have to use some vacation time to resolve this issue. THAT will make me really happy with CZ!
Walt Sherrill
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So, we can only respond to what you write, not what you don't write.
Breakin doesn't take thousands of rounds. And what relevance was the 10 years?
Sound like you ought to sell the damned gun and get something that meets your standards. But I said that earlier.
It also sounds as though most of your efforts with CZ-USA have been relatively recent.
CZ-USA also has an email address -- and does respond to email questions. But it takes longer.
Breakin doesn't take thousands of rounds. And what relevance was the 10 years?
Sound like you ought to sell the damned gun and get something that meets your standards. But I said that earlier.
It also sounds as though most of your efforts with CZ-USA have been relatively recent.
CZ-USA also has an email address -- and does respond to email questions. But it takes longer.
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BevrFevr
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There is no appeasing you...
I have contacted them in the past. Not that it was easy. The early web page sucked and as far as i can tell they never have had a full time customer service department. I remeber calling years ago only getting an answering machine and no return calls.
I Think the chick that was originally doing the job has moved on. I don't know. It's been years. Of course at this point I don't expect you to believe me anyways. So on this topic I am done.
Edited to add...Now I know you aren't reading what have written. You are just jerking the chain. Have a nice day........
I have contacted them in the past. Not that it was easy. The early web page sucked and as far as i can tell they never have had a full time customer service department. I remeber calling years ago only getting an answering machine and no return calls.
I Think the chick that was originally doing the job has moved on. I don't know. It's been years. Of course at this point I don't expect you to believe me anyways. So on this topic I am done.
Edited to add...Now I know you aren't reading what have written. You are just jerking the chain. Have a nice day........
BevrFevr
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one more thing Walt...
Sure, I'll sell you the gun. Do you want to take it off my hands? Just let me know...
Sure, I'll sell you the gun. Do you want to take it off my hands? Just let me know...
Walt Sherrill
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No appeasing me? I didn't notice any efforts to appease me...
No. I don't want your gun. I've got a CZ-75B SA, a CZ-75B Compact, a CZ-85 Combat, two Sphinxes, an AT-84s, a customized AT-84s and a really nice 9mm EAA Witness with a .40 topend. I don't need another CZ... unless its a Tactical Sport. I've also had a 97B, several 85 Combats, four CZ-75 pre-Bs, two 75Bs (one in .40), and a CZ-40B.
I swap and trade and try to continually improve my small collection. Except for the previously mentioned (gunsmith-induced short-cycling problem) the only CZ I ever had problems with was my 75B SA, after about a year of regular use, when it developed extraction problems. I replaced the extractor spring and the problem went away. The custom AT-84s, which is getting some years on it, also had a problematic extractor spring, so I went ahead and replaced that spring in several of them (not the Sphinxes) as the springs are cheap.
I've got other guns, too, including Glocks, SIGs, S&Ws, Brownings, and some "outlaw" brands like DaeWoo, Star, and a really nice Llama 1911 in 9mm. I've had bunches of others. All of them are good shooting guns. So what you consider CZ brand loyalty isn't what it appears to be.
You've had a bad experience. Sorry it happened. Hope you get it working the way you want.
No. I don't want your gun. I've got a CZ-75B SA, a CZ-75B Compact, a CZ-85 Combat, two Sphinxes, an AT-84s, a customized AT-84s and a really nice 9mm EAA Witness with a .40 topend. I don't need another CZ... unless its a Tactical Sport. I've also had a 97B, several 85 Combats, four CZ-75 pre-Bs, two 75Bs (one in .40), and a CZ-40B.
I swap and trade and try to continually improve my small collection. Except for the previously mentioned (gunsmith-induced short-cycling problem) the only CZ I ever had problems with was my 75B SA, after about a year of regular use, when it developed extraction problems. I replaced the extractor spring and the problem went away. The custom AT-84s, which is getting some years on it, also had a problematic extractor spring, so I went ahead and replaced that spring in several of them (not the Sphinxes) as the springs are cheap.
I've got other guns, too, including Glocks, SIGs, S&Ws, Brownings, and some "outlaw" brands like DaeWoo, Star, and a really nice Llama 1911 in 9mm. I've had bunches of others. All of them are good shooting guns. So what you consider CZ brand loyalty isn't what it appears to be.
You've had a bad experience. Sorry it happened. Hope you get it working the way you want.
BevrFevr
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well as long as you are willing to put...
your money where your mouth is there is no hypocracy. by the way just how long have you been a cz owner. My guess, not longer than 5 maybe 6years.
your money where your mouth is there is no hypocracy. by the way just how long have you been a cz owner. My guess, not longer than 5 maybe 6years.
BevrFevr
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Awwwwh cmon Walt...
It just needs one little ole spring. You could sell it at a profit! I mean, why keep crap when you can pass it on to the next guy right!?
Love your ethics!
It just needs one little ole spring. You could sell it at a profit! I mean, why keep crap when you can pass it on to the next guy right!?
Love your ethics!
daysleeprx
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Help...my thread has been hijacked!
Craig M. Arnold
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CZ Pistols
I guess that I have been lucky too. I have owned about 30 CZ pistols (I still have 15) of several different models. All of mine have worked perfectly right out of the box. I have shot many, many thousands of rounds through my CZs. WWB, Blazer, reloads, etc. with no issues.
BevrFevr, sounds like you may have just gotten a lemon. Sadly, all manufacturers produce some. However, based on my personal experience, I believe that CZ makes some of the best guns available.
Best regards.
I guess that I have been lucky too. I have owned about 30 CZ pistols (I still have 15) of several different models. All of mine have worked perfectly right out of the box. I have shot many, many thousands of rounds through my CZs. WWB, Blazer, reloads, etc. with no issues.
BevrFevr, sounds like you may have just gotten a lemon. Sadly, all manufacturers produce some. However, based on my personal experience, I believe that CZ makes some of the best guns available.
Best regards.
wow..no kidding your thread went off someplace..
your malfunctions..only with WWB??? how far out is the other brand ammo ejecting out??? consistent area??
as the others have suggested..might change out the extractor spring?? but another thing you might look at..since the failures are ejection..with a couple of stovepipes..might try a lighter recoil spring...just to check and see...
I pretty much set my gun up before really shooting it..I changed out my recoil spring...as I knew I was going to be shooting ammo set up for USPSA production competition so only about 1100fps...the WWB only runs about 1140fps out of my barrel..
I run a 12# recoil spring in mine with a 15# hammer spring..and it will run WWB, Blazer Brass, Remington bulk as well as Corbon, Winchester silvertips and Federal JHP with no issues...
I have yet to have any failures with any factory ammo or reloads with this set up..and I have yet to change out my extractor spring..even though I have a pack of them in my spare parts box..
anyway..love the gun..I have it set up for what i need and it shoots everything I have given it so far..
Here is a bad photo of mine...set up for USPSA production competition with CZ sights, CZ hammer, an action job, SS FLGR, new hammer springs and recoil spring and skateboard tape, a few other modifications ( polish this, bevel that, etc ) and lots of mags..
your malfunctions..only with WWB??? how far out is the other brand ammo ejecting out??? consistent area??
as the others have suggested..might change out the extractor spring?? but another thing you might look at..since the failures are ejection..with a couple of stovepipes..might try a lighter recoil spring...just to check and see...
I pretty much set my gun up before really shooting it..I changed out my recoil spring...as I knew I was going to be shooting ammo set up for USPSA production competition so only about 1100fps...the WWB only runs about 1140fps out of my barrel..
I run a 12# recoil spring in mine with a 15# hammer spring..and it will run WWB, Blazer Brass, Remington bulk as well as Corbon, Winchester silvertips and Federal JHP with no issues...
I have yet to have any failures with any factory ammo or reloads with this set up..and I have yet to change out my extractor spring..even though I have a pack of them in my spare parts box..
anyway..love the gun..I have it set up for what i need and it shoots everything I have given it so far..
Here is a bad photo of mine...set up for USPSA production competition with CZ sights, CZ hammer, an action job, SS FLGR, new hammer springs and recoil spring and skateboard tape, a few other modifications ( polish this, bevel that, etc ) and lots of mags..
SwampWolf
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BevrFevr: I not only sympathize with you but entirely agree with much of what you have to say concerning poor workmanship and shoddy customer service, not only on the part of CZ but other manufacturers as well. I'm 62 years old and have been "into" guns (all kinds, rifles, pistols, shotguns, blackpowder, airguns; you name it) since before I was a teenager. I served four years as an Air Policeman and shot on the AP pistol team. I've shot trap and Bullseye pistol competitively and competed in many, many pistol "combat" courses before retiring from a 26 year le career. It has been my experience that over the course of the last couple of decades or so, the quality of gunmaking has deteriorated in too many instances and so has factory "assistance" when it comes to rectifying said deficiencies. What's more, I've come to the conclusion that one of the main reasons this sorry state of affairs persists is because the "brand-washed" customer has become an enabler.
You know the type. Rather than fault (name of brand here), this mind-set will come up with a veritable litany of excuses for their precious product's problems, including (but not limited to) the following usual suspects: magazine/ejector and/or recoil springs are too weak/strong; wrong kind of ammo (what? you're using WWB?); lack of dry-firing (oh, your trigger spring broke?- too much dry-firing!); need to polish that feed ramp and, when all else fails, you must not be holding your wrist stiff enough. And when the messenger dares voice a problem with a brand new, out-of-the-box firearm, you know whom the brand-washed seeks to kill.
Among the way too many guns that I own, I have a CZ 85 that, so far, I've been pleased with. But a good friend of mine whom I influenced to buy a new 75 has experienced nothing but grief with it (feeding and extraction issues) along with pathetic factory assistance. Unfortunately, so long as the buyer continues to defend shoddy workmanship and puts up with customer disservice, we will all just have to fluff and buff and tweak our way to getting a gun to work like it should have from the get-go.
You know the type. Rather than fault (name of brand here), this mind-set will come up with a veritable litany of excuses for their precious product's problems, including (but not limited to) the following usual suspects: magazine/ejector and/or recoil springs are too weak/strong; wrong kind of ammo (what? you're using WWB?); lack of dry-firing (oh, your trigger spring broke?- too much dry-firing!); need to polish that feed ramp and, when all else fails, you must not be holding your wrist stiff enough. And when the messenger dares voice a problem with a brand new, out-of-the-box firearm, you know whom the brand-washed seeks to kill.
Among the way too many guns that I own, I have a CZ 85 that, so far, I've been pleased with. But a good friend of mine whom I influenced to buy a new 75 has experienced nothing but grief with it (feeding and extraction issues) along with pathetic factory assistance. Unfortunately, so long as the buyer continues to defend shoddy workmanship and puts up with customer disservice, we will all just have to fluff and buff and tweak our way to getting a gun to work like it should have from the get-go.
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