CZ?

[j1979]

Ok gotcha. I was thinking of going with the .40 just because I like mine so much, but Im now thinking just the P-01 is what I would want, ammo is a bit cheaper as well. Yea, definitley gonna be getting a CZ for my next handgun. The SP-01 really look nice too, heck they all look sweet! Thanks everyone

 

[floydster]

I have a 75 B stainless and a 75 PCR,
both in 9mm and both are great guns,never a problem with either one,and I mean never a FTF or FTE in over 10,000 rounds.
My PCR is my carry.
I have other top of the line guns, but the CZ's are right up there with them.

 

[Scratchshooter40]

P-06 performance

I have a CZ P-06 and it is outstanding. Shoots spot on and handles recoil as well as my H&K USP40 due to ergonomics and weight. While I have large hands and nothing will ever replace my Beretta 96 for CCW and duty weapon, I do enjoy the CZ. I do not like the floorplate extension on the mag and would rather have a flush floorplate and use it as a BUG. I am 6'2" and 253# and currently use a Stoeger Cougar as a BUG for my 96 when I carry a backup. The Galco SOB holster works very well for this function and I can carry the Cougar in my Beretta holster with no trouble at all. In the winter I use a Galco Harness shoulder rig for the 96 and the SOB for the Cougar. Getting back to the P-06, mine has around 1,500 trouble free rounds through it and we have to qualify with department provided LE service ammo, not WWB. Stout weapon, good performer. No FTF, FTE, or other malfunction.

 

[j1979]

Now you have me leaning towards the P-06, decisions, decisions!!

 

[burningsquirrels]

CZhoices, CZhoices...

 

[GigaBuist]

If you can get your hands on a NIB / NOS CZ100 in .40, do it. Don't let the trigger stories scare you.

I'm a CZ fanboy, but the trigger on the 100 is horrible. George Hill explains:

You know how some things set a standard. They become the benchmark by which all others are judged. Well, for many of my reviews I have mentioned the CZ 100 pistol as an example of what I consider to be just about the worst trigger ever made on any production handgun ever
...
Pulling the trigger moves a hook that grabs a bar on the striker and slingshots it back. At the farthest point of travel, the trigger hook drops off the striker allowing it to fly forward to fire the gun.

I say “almost brilliant” because it of course fails miserably at being any sort of usable trigger at all. No, I'm serious, it's bad. It's the stuff of nightmares. The trigger feels exactly like those old toy guns you used to be able to buy at grocery stores that shoot those little plastic disks.
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Let me describe the trigger pull. A long take up pull, then heavy stacking up to a level that is off the scale. If the trigger pull was just bad, that would be one thing... but when the trigger breaks, it pulls the front sight off to the right suddenly. Trying as hard as I might, I could not pull the trigger without the sight being jerked off target. Interestingly, when I dry-fired the gun left handed, the sights stayed on target. I don't know why that is... maybe it is the way I manipulate triggers and I just do it differently left handed. The trigger is not just bad, it's funny how bad it is. It's almost as if it's a joke. How could a serious arms company release a pistol so awful?

 

[jpwilly]

Recently picked up a CZ-P01 and love it...it's the only 9mm I own! Otherwise I'm a 45ACP man.

 

[j1979]

Ok. Im decided im gonna go with the P-01 first, if I like it I will buy the P-06 as well. Might as well have the best of both world if I can.....right

 

[burningsquirrels]

if you get a p-01.... and you like it... i'd make the next one an SP-01 for a fullsize tactical firearm. then at least you can stuff its 19 round mags in the p-01.

 

[armoredman]

I bet my life on a PO1 every day. This sidearm fits me better than anything else I have tried to date. I have had the opportunity to fire every brand/type around, minus a few oddballs, and the CZ fits me perfectly.

 

[GZOh]

See, now is where we get into the 'Building a CZ Collection' part of the discussion!!...
Ditto bs... but I bought my SP-01 BEFORE my P-01...Unbelievable full-size gun... thought that was it... then felt/shot the -01!... Mistake... Collection then really began to expand!
ditto armoredman... Have large hands but that P-01 is total HEAVEN!! Have never had a gun 'sit' as well in my hands as the P-01... for me, it grips perfect... and could shoot that baby all day! You're gonna love it.
'Let the Collecting Begin'!!!

WARNING: If you want any chance of 'slowing' the collection process, avoid viewing any of armoredmans pics!! We he starts showing those babies, you're dead!!!

 

[j1979]

Does anything need to be done to the P-01 when new, or is it perfect out of the box? Im talking for reliability, FTF, FTE types of things. Not a trigger job or any "extra" things.

 

[burningsquirrels]

nope. clean up, lube, and shoot the crap out of it.

 

[GZOh]

ditto bs... perfect out-of-the-box... shoot the hell-out-of-it!!
All my CZs have had different 'trigger feels' OOTB...my P-01 had a stiffer trigger and needed about 300+ rounds to breakin. Now at 1000+ she' perfect... absolutely ZERO FTFs, FTEs, jam-ups, etc... FLAWLESS!... 75B like butter, SP-01, about 200+... all different.
Alot of guys (bs, 240, schmeky, etc...) have had trigger work and love it!! I'm a cheap bastard and my triggers feel fine... I guess I have to stay away from shootin their guns... 'what do don't know, you don't miss'... or something like that!

Good Luck with your P-01... you're gonna love it!

 

[burningsquirrels]

if you want a trmendously fabulous trigger... there's threads over here and here which is what i used to improve the already good trigger that i had.

first, i did the free trigger jobs. it improved a lot.

second, i installed the competition hammer and nearly crapped my pants. the DA pull got even lighter and the SA pull worked like a tuned 1911. the hammer also changes the pivot points so you can have a really light DA pull without using a very light mainspring... light mainsprings can increase the chances of a light strike.

because i sport shoot i installed an SA only trigger which works incredibly well with the competition hammer and the 16 pound mainspring. the trigger pull is about 1/8" and almost hair-like if you're not used to target triggers. the break is ultra smooth.

one note about the trigger jobs: if you plan on getting the comp hammer, don't touch the sear angles, you may not need it.

also, if you get the comp hammer, you also need to work the safety which is no big deal. after you remove a little material from it slowly, you can get the safety working again - and it will also work with the hammer down.


BUT PLEASE NOTE: you have a decocker, and those instructions link to more instructions on how to disassemble the decocker group.

 

[Pilot]

Get out your Czech book!

 

[mikemck]

My P-01 is perfect. No need for a trigger job at all, no malfunctions, and I shoot it better than any other gun I've ever owned.

The 75BD is also fantastic.

 

[lysander]

For the OP...

Perhaps you have heard the old customer service/business maxim that it is best to under-promise and over-deliver? This, to me, is what CZs are all about.

Research (and the abundance of southpaw friendly formats they offer) led me to my first CZ about 4 years ago. Now I am a certified evangelist for the brand.

You get a great deal more pistol than you pay for.

 

[hags]

I too have done a trigger job on a CZ. I have reworked the stock hammer on a CZ75B SA. Even on the SAs there is way too much positive camming and the hammer hooks are way too tall/long which is where your creepy trigger comes from.

To my surprise it came out better than the CZ I have a CZ Custom Shop Competition hammer in. Pull is about 2lbs and absolutely creep free. It's on par with the trigger job on my 1911. Not really a need for the comp. hammer in my book except for the aesthetics.

The only CZ I've seen come from the factory with an acceptable trigger has been the production CZ-UB Shadow. I believe they are tuned from the factory before being shipped.

 

[j1979]

Im gonna see if I cant find one around here at a Cabelas or Gander Mountain in teh next couple of weeks. Im thinking if they dont have one they can get one in fairly easily. Ive found them on Buds and ghostholster.com but it will probably end up being cheaper and less of a hassle if I find it locally.

 

[Disaster]

I too have done a trigger job on a CZ. I have reworked the stock hammer on a CZ75B SA. Even on the SAs there is way too much positive camming and the hammer hooks are way too tall/long which is where your creepy trigger comes from.

I've seen some pretty terrible stock triggers on CZ's so it always surprised me when people talked about how great they were. Were they always talking about modded ones?

Just picked up a CZ40B and the SA trigger pull is almost 7 pounds and creepier than a Micheal Jackson interview. The "positive camming" you mentioned, is more than any I've seen short of DAO striker guns. The DA pull is actually pretty good if you don't mind the high break away load right at the start. After that it drops to about 10 and a half and stays right there all the way to the break point.

In comparison, my Ruger P95, has about a 4 and a half pound trigger pull with with about one third the creep.

I like hearing that they can be tuned because this one definitely needs it.

 

[hags]

I've seen some pretty terrible stock triggers on CZ's so it always surprised me when people talked about how great they were. Were they always talking about modded ones?

Just picked up a CZ40B and the SA trigger pull is almost 7 pounds and creepier than a Micheal Jackson interview. The "positive camming" you mentioned, is more than any I've seen short of DAO striker guns. The DA pull is actually pretty good if you don't mind the high break away load right at the start. After that it drops to about 10 and a half and stays right there all the way to the break point.

In comparison, my Ruger P95, has about a 4 and a half pound trigger pull with with about one third the creep.

I like hearing that they can be tuned because this one definitely needs it.

Oh yeah, they can be tuned. Take the positive cam (angle) off of the hammer hooks. I like a nice neutral (90 degrees) angle and bring the hook height down. I have about 50% hammer hooks to sear engagement.

I was pleasently surprised and rewarded with a complete creep free and "crisp" trigger. Nothing ruins the fun of shooting more than a bad trigger, all other things being equal.

I assume no liability for anyone attempting to do this and screwing it up.

 

[GZOh]

Pilot... I just love your quote "Get out your Czech book!" If you don't mind, I'm gonna plagerize that baby to death!!... but I'll try to give you some credit every so often... if I remember!
Thanks
GZOh

BTW: Hey Disaster, go easy on the Michael Jackson jokes... he's my cousin and he simply loves CZs... you should see some of the 'groupings' we do down at the Ranch!!

 

[burningsquirrels]

To my surprise it came out better than the CZ I have a CZ Custom Shop Competition hammer in. Pull is about 2lbs and absolutely creep free. It's on par with the trigger job on my 1911. Not really a need for the comp. hammer in my book except for the aesthetics.

i matched the hook profile of the comp hammer to my stock hammer and got similar results on the breakaway in SA mode.

BUT, the comp hammer has different pivot points and i believe it is needed if you want a lighter DA pull - i say 'need' because without the comp hammer, you're stepping down to lighter and lighter mainsprings to lighten the DA pull... let me explain:

when i had the factory hammer and the gun was DA/SA the only way i could lighten the DA pull was with weaker springs. well, i started having light strikes. my test for strike power is launching a standard bic ballpoint pen from the barrel and seeing how far it flies. iirc the stock setup launched it 18 feet across the room. when i reduced the mainspring power to 13lb, it coughed out of the barrel about a few feet, but the DA pull was great! but i had some light strikes (1 in maybe 100). i shot the pistol in DA/SA for competition... but then i decided to go SAO since my division allows it. i decided to put just hte comp hammer on first... and who - the DA pull was too light, but on the same mainspring it launched the ballpoint pen back up to about 14 feet, or most of the way across the room. now that i'm SAO and don't care about a heavy DA pull, i have the 16# mainspring and it launches the ballpoint pen back across the room.

does that make sense? i'm babbling.

since i'm SAO now and i got one 40b in the pipe... i'm going to put the comp hammer and safety into my new 40b and put the factory safety (from the new 40b) and hammer (the worked over one) back into my comp gun since the SA pull on the old hammer was already great. the next 40b i get after this one will stay bone stock with just an action job. or so i lead myself to believe...

(oh boy we're getting into smithing stuff again, hags... lol!)

 

[burningsquirrels]

Oh yeah, they can be tuned. Take the positive cam (angle) off of the hammer hooks. I like a nice neutral (90 degrees) angle and bring the hook height down. I have about 50% hammer hooks to sear engagement.

yup. the factory hammer i worked over has about 25% hook to sear engagement, about the same as the comp hammer.